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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 29, 2019 18:28:39 GMT -5
4 coaches in 10 years, countless last place finishes in PL, 2 winning seasons in last 11, possible 30 loss season numerous player suspensions and transfers. What conference would be knocking at HC’s door? Little East maybe. Surprised PL is not kicking them out! We used to complain that Colgate and the service academies were dragging the league down. Now we are the ball and chain. If we were ranked in the top 200, the PL would be ranked better nationally.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 29, 2019 18:30:43 GMT -5
The thing is, we did this to ourselves....Blaney and RP Sr knew this 40 years ago....nobody cares anymore...we could be good in hoop in the PL and it wouldn't matter to hardly anyone....it is what it is.
We could be 12-1 right now and no one would know.
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 29, 2019 18:31:48 GMT -5
Brooksie would be proud of the way things worked out in PL. if he knew this mess would happen, we would have been in BE!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 29, 2019 18:34:14 GMT -5
The thing is, we did this to ourselves....Blaney and RP Sr knew this 40 years ago....nobody cares anymore...we could be good in hoop in the PL and it wouldn't matter to hardly anyone....it is what it is. We could be 12-1 right now and no one would know. You’re wrong.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 29, 2019 18:36:25 GMT -5
The thing is, we did this to ourselves....Blaney and RP Sr knew this 40 years ago....nobody cares anymore...we could be good in hoop in the PL and it wouldn't matter to hardly anyone....it is what it is. We could be 12-1 right now and no one would know. You’re wrong. I agree 100%. If we can get back to the level of success we had under Ralph we will get plenty of support from students and Worcesterites
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 29, 2019 18:54:19 GMT -5
4 coaches in 10 years, countless last place finishes in PL, 2 winning seasons in last 11, possible 30 loss season numerous player suspensions and transfers. What conference would be knocking at HC’s door? Little East maybe. Surprised PL is not kicking them out! More miscreants than All Americans, that's for sure.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 29, 2019 18:54:44 GMT -5
So, Navy lost by 9 points to #16 UVA and we lost by 12 to . . . . . . Siena? Oh, and there was this game against Northeastern . . . . and UMass-Boston.
I'm not sure that we will win another game this season. Our 3 bigs, Verbeek, Faw and Niego seem to be very ineffective. Pridgen is the only bright spot if you forget about his foul shooting. Butler is sometimes great, sometimes not but he is always putting out a 100% effort. Wade shows potential. Lowder? Will we ever see him play again? Whether injured or disciplinary issues, he better get it squared away with Nelson or, truly, we may not win another game.
And I'm one of the optimists on the board!
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 29, 2019 19:00:39 GMT -5
And by the way, Kostecka dropped 30 against VCU. Too bad we can’t get players like that?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 29, 2019 19:02:22 GMT -5
I don't know what some people find so special about the MAAC.
1) We already watched that movie in the 1980's and the affiliation did nothing to benefit HC basketball. And that was a MAAC that included Fordham, Army and LaSalle.
2) Being in a basketball league with Fairfield and Siena would be fun. But that's where it ends for me. As much as people complain about the "Pennsy League", playing a slate that includes Quinnipiac, Marist, Rider, St. Peter's and Canisius does nothing for me.
3) Maybe being NY-centric gives the perception that the MAAC is a better basketball conference than the PL. But it isn't. Not to mention that NOBODY CARES about the MAAC in metro New York until Iona gets 8 seconds of coverage on WFAN if they make the NCAA Tournament.
4) I'd be willing to bet that if Fordham were kicked out of the A-10 and had to choose between the MAAC or PL, they'd choose the PL.
5) The MAAC is a conference full of regional Catholic colleges for the most part. Other than Monmouth and maybe Quinnipiac, there are no institutions in that league that I'd even consider the least bit up-and-coming.
6) Being in a hoops league with a centrally located neutral-site conference tournament would be kind of cool. I'm sure a number of alumni would love to have the opportunity to make a long weekend out of it and see all the games from Friday through Monday. But I am actually the guy who likes the PL format because the home court advantage puts more of a premium on the regular season.
7) If not for the fact that Albany and Stony Brook probably will end up as all-sports CAA members in the somewhat near future, I actually would find the America East Conference just as desirable destination as the MAAC, if not SLIGHTLY more so.
The MAAC would be a great landing spot for LeMoyne. Not so much Holy Cross.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 29, 2019 19:15:08 GMT -5
God gave us two winnable leagues, the PL and AHA and we keep thinking he doesn't see us waving our arms for help.
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Post by hcnation on Dec 29, 2019 19:15:19 GMT -5
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don't know what some people find so special about the MAAC.
1) We already watched that movie in the 1980's and the affiliation did nothing to benefit HC basketball. And that was a MAAC that included Fordham, Army and LaSalle.
As Holy Cross declined the Big East and A10, what other Conference was left back then to go to.?
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Post by purple71 on Dec 29, 2019 19:22:32 GMT -5
Looks like a big crowd. Considering they are a 4-5 team, they must have strong supporters. 6200, largest home crowd so far this season and on a Sunday afternoon between Christmas and New Years. A lot of gray hairs who remember when HC... 2 smallest home crowds this Season for Siena: American and Bucknell. Smallest road crowd: at Colgate: 872 and Siena travels well.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 29, 2019 19:26:22 GMT -5
Quote don't know what some people find so special about the MAAC. 1) We already watched that movie in the 1980's and the affiliation did nothing to benefit HC basketball. And that was a MAAC that included Fordham, Army and LaSalle. As Holy Cross declined the Big East and A10, what other Conference was left back then to go to.? Probably the predecessor to A-EAST. I think it was called the North Atlantic Conference or something like that. Maybe just ECAC North. Basically the basketball version of the Yankee Conference. BU, Northeastern, UNH, Vermont, Maine, etc. UCONN would've been in this league, or its equivalent, prior to getting into the Big East.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 29, 2019 19:31:31 GMT -5
HC hoop in the PL has basically killed the program....Willard years not withstanding....there are about 25 people who like it and they are the ones who still post here and go to the games at Hart....everyone else has moved on As you know, HC hoops was killed during its decade in the MAAC. It actually revived somewhat after joining the patriot league. Actually, not. HC won it's half of the league it's final year. The overall winner was La Salle, which featured 3 guys who played in the NBA. So, the competition in that league at that point in time was better than the PL; now, it is some years and some years it isn't.
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 29, 2019 19:31:36 GMT -5
Correction BE 2x turned down 1-12 50 point loss, lose to D3 teams. Worcester has left the building for good guys!
Also, the Men’s Hockey Stupidity of why women are in HE and men’s program is in loserville is Amazing
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 29, 2019 19:37:25 GMT -5
I don't know what some people find so special about the MAAC. 1) We already watched that movie in the 1980's and the affiliation did nothing to benefit HC basketball. And that was a MAAC that included Fordham, Army and LaSalle. 2) Being in a basketball league with Fairfield and Siena would be fun. But that's where it ends for me. As much as people complain about the "Pennsy League", playing a slate that includes Quinnipiac, Marist, Rider, St. Peter's and Canisius does nothing for me. 3) Maybe being NY-centric gives the perception that the MAAC is a better basketball conference than the PL. But it isn't. Not to mention that NOBODY CARES about the MAAC in metro New York until Iona gets 8 seconds of coverage on WFAN if they make the NCAA Tournament. 4) I'd be willing to bet that if Fordham were kicked out of the A-10 and had to choose between the MAAC or PL, they'd choose the PL. 5) The MAAC is a conference full of regional Catholic colleges for the most part. Other than Monmouth and maybe Quinnipiac, there are no institutions in that league that I'd even consider the least bit up-and-coming. 6) Being in a hoops league with a centrally located neutral-site conference tournament would be kind of cool. I'm sure a number of alumni would love to have the opportunity to make a long weekend out of it and see all the games from Friday through Monday. But I am actually the guy who likes the PL format because the home court advantage puts more of a premium on the regular season. 7) If not for the fact that Albany and Stony Brook probably will end up as all-sports CAA members in the somewhat near future, I actually would find the America East Conference just as desirable destination as the MAAC, if not SLIGHTLY more so. The MAAC would be a great landing spot for LeMoyne. Not so much Holy Cross. What is your reasoning for Stony Brook and Albany to join the CAA?
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Post by trimster on Dec 29, 2019 19:39:57 GMT -5
I agree 100%. If we can get back to the level of success we had under Ralph we will get plenty of support from students and Worcesterites Ralph Willard was an aberration. I don’t know how Brett Nelson will do but we would be doing very well if he can replicate what RW did. Other than a few weeks in March of 2016, HC hoops has been totally irrelevant on Mount St James, the City of Worcester, New England, the East and nationally since Ralph left.
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Post by possum on Dec 29, 2019 19:45:43 GMT -5
There's no sense debating league affiliation at this point there is no league better than the PL we could get into. Our fate was sealed on that Sunday many years ago when Brooks went against the wishes of his athletic people and turned down the BE. He obviously didn't have the foresight Gavitt did in knowing where college basketball was heading and the need for conference affiliation to be able to compete nationally. He apparently thought we could go it alone and continue to be competitive but Blaney and Perry knew better. Perry tried one more time to get us into what is now the A-10 and Brooks nixed that as well. As a result other than a few years here and there we've been floundering since that time. That being said there is no excuse for being a doormat in the PL. The excuse of poor facilities is no longer an issue and I don't want to hear about us not being able to get kids in that other league schools do. There's nothing standing in the way of success that good coaching and recruiting won't fix. Hopefully we have the right guy to do the job as I'm sick of hearing that we had a good effort in a 12 point loss to the likes of Siena.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 29, 2019 19:47:38 GMT -5
..because they play football in that league, I guess.
There's 10 basketball schools now, 12 isn't a bad number.
Wonder if there's some desire for those two to stick together w/Binghamton, which doesn't have football.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 29, 2019 19:55:27 GMT -5
HC hoop in the PL has basically killed the program....Willard years not withstanding....there are about 25 people who like it and they are the ones who still post here and go to the games at Hart....everyone else has moved on I have been to as many games home and away over the last 15 years as anyone here. I agree the PL has been a disaster. But I support the players, not the “program,” and that’s why I go.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 29, 2019 19:55:56 GMT -5
There's no sense debating league affiliation at this point there is no league better than the PL we could get into. Our fate was sealed on that Sunday many years ago when Brooks went against the wishes of his athletic people and turned down the BE. He obviously didn't have the foresight Gavitt did in knowing where college basketball was heading and the need for conference affiliation to be able to compete nationally. He apparently thought we could go it alone and continue to be competitive but Blaney and Perry knew better. Perry tried one more time to get us into what is now the A-10 and Brooks nixed that as well. As a result other than a few years here and there we've been floundering since that time. That being said there is no excuse for being a doormat in the PL. The excuse of poor facilities is no longer an issue and I don't want to hear about us not being able to get kids in that other league schools do. There's nothing standing in the way of success that good coaching and recruiting won't fix. Hopefully we have the right guy to do the job as I'm sick of hearing that we had a good effort in a 12 point loss to the likes of Siena. We are where we're staying. There's no excuse for being such a doormat, in the Patriot League or elsewhere.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 29, 2019 20:02:47 GMT -5
The thing is, we did this to ourselves....Blaney and RP Sr knew this 40 years ago....nobody cares anymore...we could be good in hoop in the PL and it wouldn't matter to hardly anyone....it is what it is. We could be 12-1 right now and no one would know. You’re wrong. Sadly, I don't think. I am....nobody cares....we play in a vacuum hoop-wise....should be playing schools like BC, PC, Fordham, GTown etc...we won't draw ovah a 1,000 people most nights even after this hopeless year. The PL works for HC in football....it is a disaster for hoop.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 29, 2019 20:07:15 GMT -5
A broken record spinning 24/7 would play the same tune less than you 87.
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 29, 2019 20:13:28 GMT -5
Always has been a disaster. But that is HC’s fault not PL. *HC was the highest level D1 team entering the league *We recruited a much better athlete, but that went bye bye *We had high major NE rivals that also went bye bye *Had a major arena in our back yard that we had games that drew 8,000 plus, now we can’t draw flies With that said, the only time we were dominant was when we had scholarships and others didn’t. When even playing field, we are bottom feeders
The administration has been inept for years. Coaching has been bad and program has had no direction.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 29, 2019 20:34:14 GMT -5
A broken record spinning 24/7 would play the same tune less than you 87. Doesn't change the fact that my assertion is correct....Holy Cross basketball in the PL will be low mid major whether we are having success in it or not....nobody cares....people would care if we played PC, BC, Georgetown, Villanova etc It just is what it is sadly.....we are basically just another Bryant or Merrimack in hoop today.
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