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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 14, 2020 16:56:26 GMT -5
The letters are lame. Every edge with regard to marketing and recruiting can be leveraged. The reason why the Crusader now sits rusting in his Florida gated retirement community center are perhaps most lame of all. I'd rather have ripped off the band-aid and cast and IV lines and switched entirely away from Crusader to something else, with a mascot, then this current half-assed approach. It was a gutless and weak move by Father B, trying to appease to both the PC and cancel culture crowd by ridding ourselves of the Crusader mascot, while still trying to cater to those who saw no need to change the mascot and continuing to call HC "Crusaders." I'd like to learn of what sane person with a modicum of sense was actually offended by the foam Crusader mascot who made appearances at sporting events.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 14, 2020 17:12:21 GMT -5
Here we go again
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 14, 2020 17:16:28 GMT -5
I agree with Santayana.
You build on a strong foundation, then move forward with the new superstructure or a new legacy initiative. If the sections of the foundation has flaws, you proactively fix it instead of continuing to build in an area that needs remediation.
By clinging blindly, I see many people expressing a fear of change instead of embracing the inevitable that change happens, sometimes it is for the good, other times the outcome is detrimental. One needs proactively to guide the new outcome, and instead of being passive with anxiety out of fear of the unknown.
The opening scenes of “2001 A Space Odyssey” come to mind when prehistoric man throws the bone into the air and the next scene is a orbiting space station. The evolutionary transition in the movie is dramatic for effect. I see clinging blindly, as a person who has no vision for the future, that every thing is fine with my 1950 Studebaker, why do I now need a Tesla. The response is, the parts for the Studebaker are out of stock, and the earth’s supply of fossil fuel is finite.
The perceived good old days were not good for all, only some with a limited perception.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 14, 2020 17:27:40 GMT -5
...but not everyone can afford Tesla so it serves only to emphasize the space between haves and have-nots. We need to ban all Teslas to show compassion for those whom they offend. Of course the "good old days" were not good for all. Of course, that does allow those with the best of intentions to tell others that THEIR opinions or symbols do not matter and must be changed...because of something that happened centuries ago (while selectively ignoring offenses by ancestors of those of a culture that they feel are offended). Let it go. It is not as if you are trying to convince folks who are rational.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 14, 2020 17:31:49 GMT -5
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 14, 2020 17:52:13 GMT -5
Yet another thread off the rails...
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 14, 2020 18:14:44 GMT -5
What do you expect, we have the Railers in Worcester. Are they still on track? .....🤣
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Post by HC92 on Feb 14, 2020 18:54:14 GMT -5
No more mascot talk. Any other material improvements in the Fr. B administration besides the 3 buildings?
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Post by hchoops on Feb 14, 2020 19:00:22 GMT -5
Fundraising?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 14, 2020 19:43:59 GMT -5
The first, second, and t third priorities of Fr. B. are to raise money, raise money, and raise money. That is a reflection of the extent that financial pressures weigh on every college and university president these days. (MIT, which is far richer than HC, was willing to take money from Jeffrey Epstein, for example.) If sitting at the Hart for every home basketball game was a surefire way of raising lucre, I'm confidant Fr. B would be at every game. Fr. McF resigned, supposedly because he believed he was not the sort of person who could lead a major capital campaign. _____________________ With respect to the militant medieval crusader. (Some who have read parts of this tale before can skip this.)
I am a first cousin, about 36 times removed, to Robert Guiscard, a Catholic Nortman. In 1053, Guiscard defeated the armies of Pope (St.) Leo IX and Michael I, Patriarch of Constantinople. Guiscard captured and imprisoned the pope. Guiscard would release the pope if Leo IX would grant him the duchy of Apulia and Calabria in southern Italy. Leo IX was reluctant to do so, as the Byzantines (under Michael) still held coastal enclaves while the Normans controlled the interior.
Whatever comity existed between the two leaders of the Christian church before 1053 quickly fractured with legates representing each side being excommunicated by the other, and Latin churches in Byzantium being ordered to observe the Eastern Rite, and Byzantine churches in Italy being forced to adopt the Latin rite. Leo, in desperation, dispatched a copy of the Donation of Constantine to Michael, attesting to its authenticity. Among the powers and authorities enumerated in the Donation was a grant giving the church of Rome absolute supremacy over all churches in the known world. The Donation was a forgery. Thus began the Great Schism. which persists to this day.
Leo IX died two weeks after being released from captivity. Several popes and five years after the death of Leo IX, Benedict X was chosen pope. A minority of the cardinals charged that his election was obtained by bribery. Forced to flee Rome, these cardinals gathered in Siena and chose Nicholas II as pope. Nicholas, an anti-pope, enlisted the help of Guiscard, and Guiscard's forces drove Benedict from Rome, and ran him to ground in the Italian countryside. Benedict was forced to renounce the papacy, and was imprisoned for the rest of his days by Nicholas. NIcholas, the anti-pope, became pope. He granted Guiscard the duchy of Apulia and Calabria, and further allowed if Guiscard drove the Saracens from Sicily, the Pope would create the Kingdom of Sicily, encompassing Sicily, southern Italy, and Malta. Guisacrd's younger brother, Roger I (Roger Boursa, so named because he was always counting and re-counting his money) became the first king of Sicily.
Guiscard's son was Bohemond I. Bohemond led one of the armies of the First Crusade. Capturing Antioch, he stopped there, and did not join in the siege and capture of Jerusalem. The Kingdom of Antioch would last for about 250 years, far longer than any of the crusader kingdoms in the Holy Land. Contemporary historians assert that Bohemond had little interest in going on to Jerusalem; his primary focus was leveraging Antioch as a means of gaining control of Constantinople.
My direct ancestral family did not join in the First Crusade. They were too busy trying to restore their properties in Leicestershire, the lands given them by William the Conqueror. According to the Domesday Book, these lands were a wasteland, and would be for two generations after William the Conqueror's Harrying of the North campaign of 1069-1070. Principally conducted in Leicestershire, the Harrying of the North was a genocidal, 'scorched earth' campaign. Contemporary accounts declare that about 100,000 Celtic Catholics perished, mostly from starvation and exposure. As a percentage of the population, this would be about the same, as a percentage of the population, as the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust. The family-sponsored genealogies of the history of the House of Neville uniformly start about two generations subsequent.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 14, 2020 20:14:55 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Feb 14, 2020 20:19:26 GMT -5
Is HC raising money because of Fr B, or in spite of him?
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Post by timholycross on Feb 14, 2020 20:33:31 GMT -5
What would it do to private institutions if Bernie and Liz' plans came true and public universities became tuition free?
Please keep politics out of any replies. I won't tell you if I support it or don't support it.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 14, 2020 20:38:33 GMT -5
The first, second, and t third priorities of Fr. B. are to raise money, raise money, and raise money. That is a reflection of the extent that financial pressures weigh on every college and university president these days. (MIT, which is far richer than HC, was willing to take money from Jeffrey Epstein, for example.) If sitting at the Hart for every home basketball game was a surefire way of raising lucre, I'm confidant Fr. B would be at every game. Fr. McF resigned, supposedly because he believed he was not the sort of person who could lead a major capital campaign. _____________________ With respect to the militant medieval crusader. (Some who have read parts of this tale before can skip this.) I am a first cousin, about 36 times removed, to Robert Guiscard, a Catholic Nortman. In 1053, Guiscard defeated the armies of Pope (St.) Leo IX and Michael I, Patriarch of Constantinople. Guiscard captured and imprisoned the pope. Guiscard would release the pope if Leo IX would grant him the duchy of Apulia and Calabria in southern Italy. Leo IX was reluctant to do so, as the Byzantines (under Michael) still held coastal enclaves while the Normans controlled the interior. Whatever comity existed between the two leaders of the Christian church before 1053 quickly fractured with legates representing each side being excommunicated by the other, and Latin churches in Byzantium being ordered to observe the Eastern Rite, and Byzantine churches in Italy being forced to adopt the Latin rite. Leo, in desperation, dispatched a copy of the Donation of Constantine to Michael, attesting to its authenticity. Among the powers and authorities enumerated in the Donation was a grant giving the church of Rome absolute supremacy over all churches in the known world. The Donation was a forgery. Thus began the Great Schism. which persists to this day. Leo IX died two weeks after being released from captivity. Several popes and five years after the death of Leo IX, Benedict X was chosen pope. A minority of the cardinals charged that his election was obtained by bribery. Forced to flee Rome, these cardinals gathered in Siena and chose Nicholas II as pope. Nicholas, an anti-pope, enlisted the help of Guiscard, and Guiscard's forces drove Benedict from Rome, and ran him to ground in the Italian countryside. Benedict was forced to renounce the papacy, and was imprisoned for the rest of his days by Nicholas. NIcholas, the anti-pope, became pope. He granted Guiscard the duchy of Apulia and Calabria, and further allowed if Guiscard drove the Saracens from Sicily, the Pope would create the Kingdom of Sicily, encompassing Sicily, southern Italy, and Malta. Guisacrd's younger brother, Roger I (Roger Boursa, so named because he was always counting and re-counting his money) became the first king of Sicily. Guiscard's son was Bohemond I. Bohemond led one of the armies of the First Crusade. Capturing Antioch, he stopped there, and did not join in the siege and capture of Jerusalem. The Kingdom of Antioch would last for about 250 years, far longer than any of the crusader kingdoms in the Holy Land. Contemporary historians assert that Bohemond had little interest in going on to Jerusalem; his primary focus was leveraging Antioch as a means of gaining control of Constantinople. My direct ancestral family did not join in the First Crusade. They were too busy trying to restore their properties in Leicestershire, the lands given them by William the Conqueror. According to the Domesday Book, these lands were a wasteland, and would be for two generations after William the Conqueror's Harrying of the North campaign of 1069-1070. Principally conducted in Leicestershire, the Harrying of the North was a genocidal, 'scorched earth' campaign. Contemporary accounts declare that about 100,000 Celtic Catholics perished, mostly from starvation and exposure. As a percentage of the population, this would be about the same, as a percentage of the population, as the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust. The family-sponsored genealogies of the history of the House of Neville uniformly start about two generations subsequent. With a thousand years of compound interest those lands in Leicestershire must make you a kazillionaire today.🙂. Good stuff as usual. I'm glad my ancestors were safe on a potato farm across the Irish Sea.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 14, 2020 20:55:08 GMT -5
What would it do to private institutions if Bernie and Liz' plans came true and public universities became tuition free? Please keep politics out of any replies. I won't tell you if I support it or don't support it. I think there would be little affect on private institutions, they would still draw the same type student as they do now....Public universities would see a huge jump in the number of students applying, and perhaps see a better student being accepted if one believes some good students don't apply to colleges because of money problems..As a retired public school teacher, I saw many students that did not go on to 4 year schools because of money problems...Parents didn't help, and in some cases would not even fill out FAFSA or other forms for their children to get financing for schools...It is a different world in public education, one has to live it to believe it!
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 14, 2020 21:21:25 GMT -5
What would it do to private institutions if Bernie and Liz' plans came true and public universities became tuition free? Please keep politics out of any replies. I won't tell you if I support it or don't support it. Great question. I suspect technology is an equal or bigger risk to expensive private four year undergraduate liberal arts colleges than free public higher education. There was an article I read awhile ago comparing a graduate degree at a good technical school like a Georgia Tech or something similar with the same degree from the same school completed remotely online. The cost for the online degree was ten to fifteen cents on the dollar but the online students scored similarly to the residential students on industry certificate exams upon graduation. And online education doesn't have to pass both houses of Congress and be funded in the budget.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 14, 2020 21:49:01 GMT -5
Does someone have the data to show HC fundraising totals year-over-year? Has Fr. B. been an exemplary fundraiser apart from the Luths? No idea how much or little credit he deserves for the recent generosity of the Luths.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 15, 2020 2:16:30 GMT -5
"Crossmen" "Crosswomen" "The Cross" Logo: Man & Woman standing in front of large Cross (not crucifix)
Result: Moves focus from outdated "crusaders" to "The Cross" So simple, so obvious, so appropriate to today's families. So let's pay a prominent image consultant a Millions dollars to reach the same conclusion and provide cover to our gutless PTB.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 15, 2020 7:10:09 GMT -5
I don't believe that students will ever get universal free tuition at state colleges. I don't want to waste worry over something I believe is just being pitched just for political gain (like the $1000 given to every American over 18). Such a move with free tuition could be a death knell for many smaller private colleges.
Now as to HC...I feel that the. Cross could withstand that, but it would possibly mean some almost draconian measures might be needed, such as lower faculty raises in the future, adding a graduate program or two, and some serious fundraising starting with alumni (already providing help to HC ands its students at very high level) and aggressive marketing.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 15, 2020 8:11:45 GMT -5
Does someone have the data to show HC fundraising totals year-over-year? Has Fr. B. been an exemplary fundraiser apart from the Luths? No idea how much or little credit he deserves for the recent generosity of the Luths. That would take a lot of work, as one would have to convert earlier sums to constant dollars, i.e., adjust for inflation. The previous capital campaign (under Fr. McF.) ended in 2006. Converting the campaign goal of $175 million (it was exceeded) in 2005 dollars to 2020 dollars, $175 million in 2005 would be equivalent to $231 million today. So the current capital campaign has raised substantially more money than the one 15 years ago. With respect to construction, Fr. B.'s buildings (Joyce, Luth, The Jo, Prior) are costing about $250 million Add to that, assuming a construction start in the next year or two, the new Jesuit residence, and a new student residence hall, and the total construction cost will approach $300 million. The only comparable burst of 'expensive' construction (assuming it was all done under the same President) would be Kimball, Dinand, and St. Joseph's (in the 1920's-1930s). The Easy St. dorms, and the Hart were built on the cheap.
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Post by matunuck on Feb 15, 2020 8:44:03 GMT -5
Need an Edward Bennett Williams for basketball.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Feb 15, 2020 8:51:40 GMT -5
Footnotes to PP's narrative: The majority of Italians in Worcester (including mine) trace their ancestry to Apulia (Puglia) an Italian region on the Adriatic. There is a great mural from Antioch in the great hall of the Worcester Art museum.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 15, 2020 9:19:06 GMT -5
You seemed to have skipped from the 60's to Fr. B buildings.
What about Figge, Williams, Smith, Stein, baseball stadium (thank you Hanover), soccer stadium? Perhaps others? Who (which President) gets "credit" for those? They must have also been "expensive."
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Post by Tom on Feb 15, 2020 9:27:42 GMT -5
What would it do to private institutions if Bernie and Liz' plans came true and public universities became tuition free? Please keep politics out of any replies. I won't tell you if I support it or don't support it. Great question. I suspect technology is an equal or bigger risk to expensive private four year undergraduate liberal arts colleges than free public higher education. There was an article I read awhile ago comparing a graduate degree at a good technical school like a Georgia Tech or something similar with the same degree from the same school completed remotely online. The cost for the online degree was ten to fifteen cents on the dollar but the online students scored similarly to the residential students on industry certificate exams upon graduation. And online education doesn't have to pass both houses of Congress and be funded in the budget. A lot has to do with perception. Some people will think that the "free" colleges are watered down and the private ones are worth the investment if one can afford it. People who don't see the difference, will take the free route. Speaking on behalf of my parents, they paid money to send me to Catholic high school even though there was a free high school in town. They saw a value in spending the extra money Same logic goes with on-line. Personally, being an old fuddy duddy, I am in that camp. I am also of the camp that the experience lines on a resume should carry more weight than the education lines. I know hiring managers looking at kids fresh out of college that are light on experience. The first cut is to toss every resume with an on-line degree into the wastebasket, I imagine that mindset will fade away as old fuddy duddies like me retire
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Post by princetoncrusader on Feb 15, 2020 10:14:32 GMT -5
Circling back to the original question, I ran into Rick Patterson '80, chair of the BoT at the Lafayette game in Easton back in January. He told me he likes Coach Nelson and was "semi-involved" in his recruitment to the College. He also went down and shook hands with the coach at halftime. I don't know if Rick knows the difference between a pick and roll and a box and one, but he cares deeply about all things HC. He was also at the FCS playoff game at Kessler stadium. There are at least three former varsity athletes that I know of on the HC board. So there is an athletics constituency. Not sure where Fr. B stands, but he can be found in the President's box on home games at Fitton. At the risk of stating the obvious, if u want better results, write a check to the CAF or endow a coaching position. Those actions would be far more effective than writing screeds on this board. Go Cross!
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