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Post by steve81 on Mar 2, 2020 10:01:55 GMT -5
UMass Poll on HEA for a 12th member and Holy Cross is way out front and does include Arizona State, who you played. Currently 53.3% out of 333 votes.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 2, 2020 10:04:12 GMT -5
Is this an influential poll ?
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Post by steve81 on Mar 2, 2020 10:07:49 GMT -5
Not huge but the AD is aware of site.
Would say it does not hurt but we are only 1 out of 11 members.
You see how UMass fans feel about HC, which is good.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 2, 2020 10:27:40 GMT -5
FWIW and for those who don't have a twitter account to see the results. Thus far 341 votes have been cast.
Holy Cross ...... 54% Arizona State .. 19% Sacred Heart .. 14% Other ............. 13%
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Post by hchoops on Mar 2, 2020 10:35:12 GMT -5
Will these UMass fans contribute to a new HC rink ?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2020 10:39:24 GMT -5
Go HC, but what a slap in the face for SHU with their huge rink investment. You have to think the HE schools value that over our geographic location because they know how big an institutional commitment to hockey that is.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2020 10:42:38 GMT -5
Will these UMass fans contribute to a new HC rink ? No but a few metro Boston area UMass fans, as well as fans of other HE schools might attend DCU games easier than SHU games. Our only counter to SHU's new arena.
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Post by steve81 on Mar 2, 2020 11:59:02 GMT -5
Personally was surprised that Quinnipiac was not listed as an individual option.
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Post by crusader12 on Mar 2, 2020 12:14:21 GMT -5
I have officially given up with HC to Hockey East. Now with Sacred Heart and us having 0 future plans, I have no confidence in the TPTB to get this done. They've blown every opportunity that has come there way the last 40 years, why will it be different this time? Incompetence and a lack of commitment to Athletics. FADNP screwed up the whole hockey east deal from the start and we have never recovered.
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Post by Tom on Mar 2, 2020 18:35:27 GMT -5
I have officially given up with HC to Hockey East. Now with Sacred Heart and us having 0 future plans, I have no confidence in the TPTB to get this done. They've blown every opportunity that has come there way the last 40 years, why will it be different this time? Incompetence and a lack of commitment to Athletics. FADNP screwed up the whole hockey east deal from the start and we have never recovered. Unless you're calling out Pine for not expanding seating for rink at Hart (at either a big added expense to Luth or taking something else away) I'm not sure I'd lay a lot of blame on Pine. That being said, we'll know something soon. This is year 3 of Railers which is the final season of their exclusive contract. Next season, the Railers can't keep Holy Cross out of the Centrum. If, as had been reported, the inability to get into the Centrum was the key stumbling park, the logical time to make the jump would be now
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 2, 2020 18:50:31 GMT -5
Maybe Pine could have done a better job negotiating with the Railers / City of Worcester to give us access to the DCU. If that happens, who knows, maybe we are in that league today.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 2, 2020 20:15:17 GMT -5
Feb 3, 2020 20:23:56 GMT -5 A Clock Tower Purple said: My last conversation about HE with someone at HC who is in communication w/HE was they may be looking to go to 14 squads, not just adding one to make it 12, but that won't be decided until the new commish is seated, as current commish Joe Bertagna's retirement after this season has slowed expansion talks.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2020 20:56:19 GMT -5
Maybe Pine could have done a better job negotiating with the Railers / City of Worcester to give us access to the DCU. If that happens, who knows, maybe we are in that league today. The Worcester City manager is a former HC employee and Cliff Rucker, the Railers owner is a trustee of two schools and involved with six other charities and his ice center has partnered with several local schools. It should not have been that hard to work with the city and the Railers. There should be no obstacle now.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 2, 2020 21:49:11 GMT -5
Personally was surprised that Quinnipiac was not listed as an individual option. Q told HE no thanks several yrs ago, and I'm sure Mike at Fight Mass being the Hockey Krishna that he is knows this, so he didn't include a non-starter.
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Post by Tom on Mar 3, 2020 11:03:05 GMT -5
Maybe Pine could have done a better job negotiating with the Railers / City of Worcester to give us access to the DCU. If that happens, who knows, maybe we are in that league today. The Worcester City manager is a former HC employee and Cliff Rucker, the Railers owner is a trustee of two schools and involved with six other charities and his ice center has partnered with several local schools. It should not have been that hard to work with the city and the Railers. There should be no obstacle now. When this conversation first popped up, the Telegram ran a story saying that Rucker and the Railers were invoking a no compete clause that would deny Holy Cross hockey from using the Centrum. As Rucker was trying to bring a new and inferior (ECHL vs AHL) product to Worcester, there was zero reason for him to want to share any hockey fans until he had built a base. It should not have been hard to work with the city. It should have been and was hard to work with the Railers after they had their right of refusal on all ice shows
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 3, 2020 11:35:58 GMT -5
That makes sense. A reasonable concession from the city for the amount of private investment Rucker made and it gave HC three years to climb the ladder in the AHA before being prepared to move up.
Despite poor on ice performance, the Railers have built a base. My friend lives in Auburn and drives right by HC to take his grandchildren to several Railers games a year. The kids love it.
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Post by steve81 on Mar 3, 2020 12:22:34 GMT -5
Personally was surprised that Quinnipiac was not listed as an individual option. Q told HE no thanks several yrs ago, and I'm sure Mike at Fight Mass being the Hockey Krishna that he is knows this, so he didn't include a non-starter. Yup, but it's not just people, who change their minds. Both HC and UMass said no to the Big East. We said no to 1A/FBS and went 1AA in the 70's and said no to inquires from both CUSA and the MAC in 1998. We finally said yes but it's a loooooong pullll.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 3, 2020 18:08:53 GMT -5
Feb 3, 2020 20:23:56 GMT -5 A Clock Tower Purple said: My last conversation about HE with someone at HC who is in communication w/HE was they may be looking to go to 14 squads, not just adding one to make it 12, but that won't be decided until the new commish is seated, as current commish Joe Bertagna's retirement after this season has slowed expansion talks. They hired the number 2 guy from UNH so can't expect too many different things to be done with that!
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 23, 2020 13:06:45 GMT -5
In Blossom's opening remarks he mentioned the men's program and league affiliation - that he would address later - well, that never happened and the 'tease' that he sent out has many of us asking what is going on now - he needs to comment on this via email soon.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 23, 2020 15:04:34 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Apr 23, 2020 16:20:55 GMT -5
I was pessimistic about our chances of joining HE immediately pre-Covid (though I was certain 1-2 years ago it would happen). Now I would be absolutely shocked. We’ll be looking to cut every corner we can for a few years. Can’t see us making the HE investment. Would be thrilled to be wrong.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 23, 2020 16:35:58 GMT -5
If SHU sees their new arena through to completion post-Covid, they will have truly earned a spot in H.E.
Would love to see HC in HE, but conquering the AHA is a fitting goal to work towards also.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 23, 2020 17:39:00 GMT -5
I was pessimistic about our chances of joining HE immediately pre-Covid (though I was certain 1-2 years ago it would happen). Now I would be absolutely shocked. We’ll be looking to cut every corner we can for a few years. Can’t see us making the HE investment. Would be thrilled to be wrong. The strategic plan for athletics is to be completed by Sept. / Oct. The plan will cover a 5-7 year period. Its possible that it may address moving to HE for the men. If it does, I am pretty certain that this will be contingent on increased funding being available. If the plan doesn't even address HE membership, I think the possibility of HC seeking to join HE before 2025-2026 is a dead letter. ADMB laid out his funding priorities, not necessarily this ranking: > Higher salaries for the successful coaches to retain them. (My thought was did we lose the W soccer coach over salary). > More scollies for those sports that are not near the NCAA cap. Only four sports currently at the scollie cap: football (league cap), M/W basketball, M ice hockey (league cap). > Continued investment in improvements / enhancements of Luth. Luth is viewed as an important asset. > More and better amenties / fan experience at the venues. ____________________ ADMB said he evaluates coaches on what they achieved with the resources provided (presumably resources compared to teams at peer schools.) Thus his evaluation of Chesney would be against a higher expectation / performance standard than, for example, an evaluation of the men's swimming coach.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 23, 2020 18:25:14 GMT -5
I was pessimistic about our chances of joining HE immediately pre-Covid (though I was certain 1-2 years ago it would happen). Now I would be absolutely shocked. We’ll be looking to cut every corner we can for a few years. Can’t see us making the HE investment. Would be thrilled to be wrong. The strategic plan for athletics is to be completed by Sept. / Oct. The plan will cover a 5-7 year period. Its possible that it may address moving to HE for the men. If it does, I am pretty certain that this will be contingent on increased funding being available. If the plan doesn't even address HE membership, I think the possibility of HC seeking to join HE before 2025-2026 is a dead letter. ADMB laid out his funding priorities, not necessarily this ranking: > Higher salaries for the successful coaches to retain them. (My thought was did we lose the W soccer coach over salary). > More scollies for those sports that are not near the NCAA cap. Only four sports currently at the scollie cap: football (league cap), M/W basketball, M ice hockey (league cap). > Continued investment in improvements / enhancements of Luth. Luth is viewed as an important asset. > More and better amenties / fan experience at the venues. ____________________ ADMB said he evaluates coaches on what they achieved with the resources provided (presumably resources compared to teams at peer schools.) Thus his evaluation of Chesney would be against a higher expectation / performance standard than, for example, an evaluation of the men's swimming coach. And why Hockey gets a pass....one of the worst facilities in D-1
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 23, 2020 18:44:42 GMT -5
I was pessimistic about our chances of joining HE immediately pre-Covid (though I was certain 1-2 years ago it would happen). Now I would be absolutely shocked. We’ll be looking to cut every corner we can for a few years. Can’t see us making the HE investment. Would be thrilled to be wrong. Trust me - if HE extends a formal offer to HC, HC is accepting.
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