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Post by HC92 on Apr 23, 2020 18:57:55 GMT -5
I was pessimistic about our chances of joining HE immediately pre-Covid (though I was certain 1-2 years ago it would happen). Now I would be absolutely shocked. We’ll be looking to cut every corner we can for a few years. Can’t see us making the HE investment. Would be thrilled to be wrong. Trust me - if HE extends a formal offer to HC, HC is accepting. I hope so. I had it on good authority it was a done deal a while back but I don’t know anymore, especially with money being tighter than it was then.
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Post by gks on Apr 24, 2020 5:18:41 GMT -5
Trust me - if HE extends a formal offer to HC, HC is accepting. I hope so. I had it on good authority it was a done deal a while back but I don’t know anymore, especially with money being tighter than it was then. While I want to agree with ACTP but I'm more on the side of HC92. There seems to be no forward thinking up there right now.
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Post by trimster on Apr 24, 2020 6:54:12 GMT -5
Trust me - if HE extends a formal offer to HC, HC is accepting. I hope so. I had it on good authority it was a done deal a while back but I don’t know anymore, especially with money being tighter than it was then. That sounds too much like being in the entertainment business for it to happen.
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Post by crusader12 on Apr 24, 2020 7:40:30 GMT -5
I was pessimistic about our chances of joining HE immediately pre-Covid (though I was certain 1-2 years ago it would happen). Now I would be absolutely shocked. We’ll be looking to cut every corner we can for a few years. Can’t see us making the HE investment. Would be thrilled to be wrong. Trust me - if HE extends a formal offer to HC, HC is accepting. Unless we have a deal with the DCU that's not going to happen. There is a 0% chance HC makes major improvements to update the rink to have a 4000 seat minimum. The only good news I see here is that the Railers right of refusal is expiring I believe this year or next. If Worcester wants us, then HE could make an offer. This is where FADNP screwed up.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 24, 2020 7:50:19 GMT -5
Marcus Blossom spoke movingly and extensively yesterday on the impact that Grace Rett's death had on him, members of the rowing team, other HC athletes, and the entire HC community. He knew Rett personally, and felt she epitomized the ideal in the HC student athlete (I'm paraphrasing slightly). He talked about riding on the private plane to Vero Beach with Fr. B. and Grace's parents and younger sister. I don't think HC will be eliminating minor sports to help fund higher profile sports. Just a hunch.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 24, 2020 10:55:32 GMT -5
Marcus Blossom spoke movingly and extensively yesterday on the impact that Grace Rett's death had on him, members of the rowing team, other HC athletes, and the entire HC community. He knew Rett personally, and felt she epitomized the ideal in the HC student athlete (I'm paraphrasing slightly). He talked about riding on the private plane to Vero Beach with Fr. B. and Grace's parents and younger sister. I don't think HC will be eliminating minor sports to help fund higher profile sports. Just a hunch. I am learning from reading on Crossports that D-1 minor sports are a definite "hook" to attract excellent student athletes many of whom lift the academic profile and reduce the financial aid burden of HC.
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Post by nhteamer on Apr 24, 2020 11:05:21 GMT -5
That is 100% correct!
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Post by bigfan on Apr 24, 2020 11:28:23 GMT -5
If ADMB is saying that more local games will be needed in the near future, we need to apply to HE now. Travel expenses and hotel costs will be reduced as no longer trips to Air Force, Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, Robert Morris and RIT. Only games in Orono and Burlington would require possible hotel nights. Games with teams like BC, BU, Northeastern, Merrimack, Providence, UMass, UConn, Umass-Lowell are quick bus trips and back to campus in one hour.
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Post by gks on Apr 24, 2020 11:41:30 GMT -5
If ADMB is saying that more local games will be needed in the near future, we need to apply to HE now. Travel expenses and hotel costs will be reduced as no longer trips to Air Force, Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, Robert Morris and RIT. Only games in Orono and Burlington would require possible hotel nights. Games with teams like BC, BU, Northeastern, Merrimack, Providence, UMass, UConn, Umass-Lowell are quick bus trips and back to campus in one hour. Sounds to me like there is a big budget slash coming....or has already come. And it predates COVID.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 24, 2020 13:08:43 GMT -5
If ADMB is saying that more local games will be needed in the near future, we need to apply to HE now. Travel expenses and hotel costs will be reduced as no longer trips to Air Force, Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, Robert Morris and RIT. Only games in Orono and Burlington would require possible hotel nights. Games with teams like BC, BU, Northeastern, Merrimack, Providence, UMass, UConn, Umass-Lowell are quick bus trips and back to campus in one hour. Travel goes down in HE but virtually every other line item in the hockey budget goes up. No way moving to HE is a net cost savings.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 24, 2020 14:18:21 GMT -5
I can't imagine a scenario where we wouldn't be a losing team in the HE for a decent while. I'm not confident we wouldn't rattle around in a sparsely attended DCU at a high rental cost.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 24, 2020 15:10:28 GMT -5
If ADMB is saying that more local games will be needed in the near future, we need to apply to HE now. Travel expenses and hotel costs will be reduced as no longer trips to Air Force, Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, Robert Morris and RIT. Only games in Orono and Burlington would require possible hotel nights. Games with teams like BC, BU, Northeastern, Merrimack, Providence, UMass, UConn, Umass-Lowell are quick bus trips and back to campus in one hour. Travel goes down in HE but virtually every other line item in the hockey budget goes up. No way moving to HE is a net cost savings. In 2018-19, the average expense for M's ice hockey for BC, BU, Northeastern, and Providence was $3.9 million. That is $2 million more than HC spent playing in the AHL. And all four of these HE teams played on-campus, no facility rental cost.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 24, 2020 15:18:55 GMT -5
At a school run by people who believe in cutting corners on sports when times are good, ponying up an extra $2M per year for the rest of time to play in a better hockey conference seems unlikely in the current economic environment.
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Post by Tom on Apr 24, 2020 15:24:07 GMT -5
Trust me - if HE extends a formal offer to HC, HC is accepting. Unless we have a deal with the DCU that's not going to happen. There is a 0% chance HC makes major improvements to update the rink to have a 4000 seat minimum. The only good news I see here is that the Railers right of refusal is expiring I believe this year or next. If Worcester wants us, then HE could make an offer. This is where FADNP screwed up. The Railers right fo refusal is done. HC should be free to make a deal with the Centrum I still don't think it's a screw up on the part of Pine that he failed to make a deal with zero leverage and an obstacle with no incentive to want to accommodate HC
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 24, 2020 15:27:27 GMT -5
When you move off campus to the DCU Center you are dipping your toe into the entertainment business. And nobody goes into business to lose money. If HE and college athletics in general takes a more realistic view of costs in a post-Covid world, Holy Cross could be an attractive candidate to join, play on campus at the Hart, keep travel local for existing HE teams, add a well established high academic school to the league, and keep the DCU option available if HC begins to win and the crowds at the Hart are bursting at the seams.
Other than that option, winning the AHA remains a fine and legitimate challenge.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 24, 2020 15:57:14 GMT -5
If ADMB is saying that more local games will be needed in the near future, we need to apply to HE now. Travel expenses and hotel costs will be reduced as no longer trips to Air Force, Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, Robert Morris and RIT. Only games in Orono and Burlington would require possible hotel nights. Games with teams like BC, BU, Northeastern, Merrimack, Providence, UMass, UConn, Umass-Lowell are quick bus trips and back to campus in one hour. Most hockey east teams actually travel Thursday night even if it is a bus trip. I know Providence stayed over before UMass, BU, and BC games in the past. They do the same with UNH. Even if you have a back to back with a home game on Friday and a road game on Saturday, they will sometimes leave right after the home game to head to their next opponent.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 24, 2020 16:50:59 GMT -5
Do you think expenses like overnight hotel stays for games an hour or two away will be axed after covid-19? Even teams like Providence that are recent national championship winners must be cost conscious now.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 24, 2020 17:28:31 GMT -5
If ADMB is saying that more local games will be needed in the near future, we need to apply to HE now. Travel expenses and hotel costs will be reduced as no longer trips to Air Force, Mercyhurst, Canisius, Niagara, Robert Morris and RIT. Only games in Orono and Burlington would require possible hotel nights. Games with teams like BC, BU, Northeastern, Merrimack, Providence, UMass, UConn, Umass-Lowell are quick bus trips and back to campus in one hour. Most hockey east teams actually travel Thursday night even if it is a bus trip. I know Providence stayed over before UMass, BU, and BC games in the past. They do the same with UNH. Even if you have a back to back with a home game on Friday and a road game on Saturday, they will sometimes leave right after the home game to head to their next opponent. Like many things that used to happen, extra nights in hotels for college sports teams may be a thing of the past, at least for a while.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 24, 2020 22:30:16 GMT -5
Most hockey east teams actually travel Thursday night even if it is a bus trip. I know Providence stayed over before UMass, BU, and BC games in the past. They do the same with UNH. Even if you have a back to back with a home game on Friday and a road game on Saturday, they will sometimes leave right after the home game to head to their next opponent. Like many things that used to happen, extra nights in hotels for college sports teams may be a thing of the past, at least for a while. True...I just know that when they went to AIC over winter break, they spent the previous night in a hotel.
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Post by Tom on Apr 25, 2020 8:30:31 GMT -5
Like many things that used to happen, extra nights in hotels for college sports teams may be a thing of the past, at least for a while. True...I just know that when they went to AIC over winter break, they spent the previous night in a hotel. I don't think it's still true, but it used to be that they stayed in a hotel for the entire winter break and all the dorms were closed
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Post by Tom on Apr 25, 2020 8:34:54 GMT -5
Most hockey east teams actually travel Thursday night even if it is a bus trip. I know Providence stayed over before UMass, BU, and BC games in the past. They do the same with UNH. Even if you have a back to back with a home game on Friday and a road game on Saturday, they will sometimes leave right after the home game to head to their next opponent. Like many things that used to happen, extra nights in hotels for college sports teams may be a thing of the past, at least for a while. Not hockey, but I remember getting a good laugh the last time UMass basketball came to town. They stayed overnight at the Hilton. I happened to be around early enough to see them come out of the hotel and get on the team bus to head over to the Centrum. For those of you not from Worcester, the Hilton is literally next door to the Centrum. In all fairness, the main entrance is on the opposite end of the building from the Hilton
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 25, 2020 15:25:06 GMT -5
I hope so. I had it on good authority it was a done deal a while back but I don’t know anymore, especially with money being tighter than it was then. That sounds too much like being in the entertainment business for it to happen. Our women's team is already in the league. There is ZERO CHANCE we would decline the opportunity.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 25, 2020 15:34:59 GMT -5
Do you think expenses like overnight hotel stays for games an hour or two away will be axed after covid-19? Even teams like Providence that are recent national championship winners must be cost conscious now. YES. And I don't see Holy Cross regularly putting up any of it teams up in a hotel before road game in Boston, Providence, Hartford, or Amherst IMO. Maybe for a Friday/Saturday doubleheader we stay over, especially if the Saturday game is earlier in the day. Football-wise, the closest overnight stay was Yale. Furthest bus trip that I recall was UMASS.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 25, 2020 15:38:14 GMT -5
That sounds too much like being in the entertainment business for it to happen. Our women's team is already in the league. There is ZERO CHANCE we would decline the opportunity. You must be new around here. 😀
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 25, 2020 17:22:12 GMT -5
Our women's team is already in the league. There is ZERO CHANCE we would decline the opportunity. You must be new around here. 😀 Just get out the form letter and change the "Big" to "Hockey"
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