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Post by matunuck on Mar 6, 2020 13:56:48 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 6, 2020 14:36:39 GMT -5
University of Washington has closed. Students are to take courses on-line and tests on-line. University is on the quarter system, so 'closure' applies to current quarter, which ends later this month.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 6, 2020 22:11:01 GMT -5
No closure at Holy Cross for Monday night's WBB game. Yet.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 6, 2020 22:18:47 GMT -5
Why should there be?
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 6, 2020 23:38:29 GMT -5
Amherst women did the same thing with their regional
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 7, 2020 6:50:58 GMT -5
NBA has told teams to prepare to play in empty arenas. Given that, I can see the Dance being played in empty arenas.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 7, 2020 7:02:32 GMT -5
If all (CYO, AAU, HS, College, and Pro) hoops games were played in empty gyms this winter I wonder how many would have been spared seasonal flu illness, hospitalization, and death. CDC estimates there were at least 35 Million flu-related illnesses, 350 Thousand flu-related hospitalizations, and 20 Thousand flu-related deaths thus far this flu season (1 OCT 2019 - 29 FEB 2020) here in the US. www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
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Post by hc6774 on Mar 7, 2020 8:15:37 GMT -5
Some facts might help to show that these decisions by various institutions are not media driven. According to Dr, Fauci the death rate for seasonal flu is .01percent.(WAPO) Estimates of the fatality rate for the corona virus vary from 1.4% (NEJM) to 3.5%(WHO). It is a relatively new strain and the medical community is still trying to figure out the denominator(total # infected) They are still trying to ascertain the transmissibility of the virus but given the quick spread of the disease, it does appear to be highly contagious. There is no vaccine to protect or mitigate. Nor, are there effective medications for treatment. Of note, the elderly and those with underlying health issues(heart, lung, diabetes, etc.) are more susceptible to serious or even fatal outcomes. There are no indications that this virus will magically disappear in the warmer weather. (Hopefully, it will.) There are many other questions about the virus. For instance: Will it be an ongoing threat? Will it be seasonal? Or, will it run its course? Does infection immunize the individual? (Corona virus is not influenza.) These institutions are not acting in a "panic" mode but out of an abundance of caution in trying to protect people from a largely unknown seemingly highly contagious illness. Let us all hope and pray that this illness will abate and in the future a vaccine and effective meds will be developed to deal with it. Straight talk, no exaggeration, no panic, no politics. panicky vs precautionary behaviors??
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Post by Tom on Mar 7, 2020 8:20:41 GMT -5
Random observation:
Way more people have the flu than Coronavirus. It's basically a seasonal thing with variations. Generically speaking it's been out there for years, but has dormant periods when it's not spreading. A few months ago there was zero Corona in the United States and it has grown to what we see now. ASSUMING there's a dormant period in the summer, next season we won't be starting from ground zero, but from having lots of dormant germs in the country. I think the fact that the the initial outbreak hasn't had the quantity of cases the flu has, does not imply this is less contagious than the flu. It might be, but you can't draw that conclusion by comparing quantities of a brand new virus to an established one
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Post by Tom on Mar 7, 2020 8:23:21 GMT -5
I don't think that you or anyone on this board are in a position to lecture the physicians at Johns Hopkins or other institutions on their "behaviors"(sic) We should all know our limitations. Enough. I have no problem speaking authoritatively on any topic - whether or not I have any clue what I am talking about
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Post by hcpride on Mar 7, 2020 8:43:15 GMT -5
Some facts might help to show that these decisions by various institutions are not media driven. According to Dr, Fauci the death rate for seasonal flu is .01percent.(WAPO) Estimates of the fatality rate for the corona virus vary from 1.4% (NEJM) to 3.5%(WHO). It is a relatively new strain and the medical community is still trying to figure out the denominator(total # infected) They are still trying to ascertain the transmissibility of the virus but given the quick spread of the disease, it does appear to be highly contagious. There is no vaccine to protect or mitigate. Nor, are there effective medications for treatment. Of note, the elderly and those with underlying health issues(heart, lung, diabetes, etc.) are more susceptible to serious or even fatal outcomes. There are no indications that this virus will magically disappear in the warmer weather. (Hopefully, it will.) There are many other questions about the virus. For instance: Will it be an ongoing threat? Will it be seasonal? Or, will it run its course? Does infection immunize the individual? (Corona virus is not influenza.) These institutions are not acting in a "panic" mode but out of an abundance of caution in trying to protect people from a largely unknown seemingly highly contagious illness. Let us all hope and pray that this illness will abate and in the future a vaccine and effective meds will be developed to deal with it. Straight talk, no exaggeration, no panic, no politics. No doubt the mortality rate for diseases varies greatly depending (in part) on location (and medical care therein) . Ebola killed 90% of those who contracted it in Africa while killing 0% of those who contracted it in the US. SARS (a fairly recent Coronoavirus originating in China for which there is still no vaccine) has an overall worldwide death rate of 11%, yet 0 of those 27 who contracted it here in the US died from it. That SARS death rate, for those who are unaware it is a worldwide rate, can be quite frightening for those in the US. Good point regarding the fact that the US denominator for Coronoavirus COVID 19 is unknown at this point. South Korea, where testing is widespread (relative to China), reports a mortality rate of 0.6% thus far. (One might suppose those with mild symptoms do not bother seeing a DR. much less getting a test but that is a supposition.) 17 folks appear to have died from Coronoavirus COVID 19 (most with serious underlying conditions, 12 of whom are from Washington State and 6 of those 12 from the same nursing home) in the US over the last two weeks.
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Post by cmo on Mar 7, 2020 8:50:23 GMT -5
The Patriot League was really proactive, they’ve played in front of Empty arenas for years.
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Post by res on Mar 7, 2020 9:12:57 GMT -5
I have no problem speaking authoritatively on any topic - whether or not I have any clue what I am talking about I just saw a cartoon in this morning's paper. A guy sitting in front of his computer, with his wife standing behind him. Says something to the effect, "How odd. All my Facebook friends who were constitutional scholars a month or two ago are now virus experts."
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 7, 2020 9:27:11 GMT -5
If one wants to consider death rates in a first world country, the Lombardy region in Italy had, as of March 5, 2,251 cases and 98 deaths. That's a mortality rate of 4.4 percent. True, the number of infected people are probably greatly underreported and AFAIK, there is no public data on how many of the 98 had underlying serious medical conditions.
As there is no public information, AFAIK, on the number of corona-related hospitalizations among the 2,251, one doesn't know whether hospitals in Lombardy providing in-patient treatment are at or approaching the upper limit of their capacity to do so. An inability to provide in-patient care for those needing it will increase the mortality rate.
Even if a 'truer' mortality is substantially lower than 4.4 percent, this infection is still a cause of concern because of scaling. Thirty million infections in the U.S., -- less than one tenth of the population - at a one percent mortality rate is 300,000 deaths.
The mortality rate of the Spanish flu in the United States was about 2.2 percent: about 30 million cases, 650,000 deaths. (U.S. population was 105 million.)
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Post by timholycross on Mar 7, 2020 10:17:45 GMT -5
I can't believe two guys on WPI didn't play. You really want those "warriors" suiting up with you next year?
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Post by Tom on Mar 7, 2020 10:23:35 GMT -5
I can't believe two guys on WPI didn't play. You really want those "warriors" suiting up with you next year? If George Patton were coaching WPI, he would have slapped those two players in the face
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Post by hcpride on Mar 7, 2020 11:43:47 GMT -5
If one wants to consider death rates in a first world country, the Lombardy region in Italy had, as of March 5, 2,251 cases and 98 deaths. That's a mortality rate of 4.4 percent. True, the number of infected people are probably greatly underreported and AFAIK, there is no public data on how many of the 98 had underlying serious medical conditions. Italy has the second largest number of deaths (second only to China) and highest death rate from the disease (4.2%) "The national health institute said the average age of those who have died was 81, with the majority suffering from underlying health problems. An estimated 72% of all those who have died were men." (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51777049). Your point is well taken regarding impact of infected and not reported (which would decrease - perhaps greatly - the reported mortality rate). A couple of regions in Italy were hit very hard (Lombardy being an example) and some were barely touched at all. From the same source: "A man in his 80s became the second person in the UK to die after testing positive for the coronavirus." The first was a woman in her 70's and 206 have tested positive in the UK. (That is higher than South Korea's .06 percent but nevertheless lower than the .1 percent mortality rate generally ascribed to our seasonal flu). Again, doubtlessly there are more infected who have not been tested (which would further lower the rate.).
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Post by hcpride on Mar 7, 2020 11:52:56 GMT -5
Some facts might help to show that these decisions by various institutions are not media driven. According to Dr, Fauci the death rate for seasonal flu is .01percent.(WAPO) NO. The number is .1 percent (very different from .01 percent). That is why, for example, when South Korea (where testing is widespread and the healthcare system is modern) reports a death rate of .06 percent (considerably less than .1 percent) for Coronavirus COVID-19 it is very much worth noting.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 7, 2020 13:26:55 GMT -5
Too bad Dr. Fauci wasn't a Crossports poster....then we could pepper him with questions like we sometimes do with nhteamer.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 7, 2020 13:27:05 GMT -5
I've heard the death rate for Flu was 1 in 1,000 or 1/10th of 1%, i.e. 0.1%
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 7, 2020 15:22:34 GMT -5
Too bad Dr. Fauci wasn't a Crossports poster....then we could pepper him with questions like we sometimes do with nhteamer. We could pull a Lloyd Bentsen on Dr Fauci: "I posted with nhteamer. nhteamer is a friend of mine. You, sir, are no nhteamer".
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Post by timholycross on Mar 7, 2020 15:45:23 GMT -5
I've heard the death rate for Flu was 1 in 1,000 or 1/10th of 1%, i.e. 0.1% Pretty accurate. CDC stats for 2018-19 are 35,500,000 cases....34,200 deaths. If we round 34,200 to 35,500, then the number of deaths is 1 in a 1000; and, yes, that's .1 percent as 1 percent would be 1 in a 100. I can see where 0.1 % can be confused with 0.001 when one doesn't use percentages and just straight ratios.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 7, 2020 16:24:09 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Mar 7, 2020 16:49:18 GMT -5
The problem as I see it is that people with mild cases might not stay home because they don’t even know they are sick . They expose others who expose others and eventually it reaches immunocompromised people and they die. A mild infectious disease probably spreads more easily than a severe one. Public gatherings are going to be canceled exactly because most people have mild cases and don’t even know they should self isolate
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 7, 2020 18:28:43 GMT -5
The Newark Archdiocese in NJ has said that because of the flu and/or the corona virus those who are ill are excused from Sunday Mass, as well as those who normally attend church with them. Communion will not be under both forms until further notice. No touching of hands allowed during Mass. The times they are a-changin'.
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