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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 21, 2017 15:04:15 GMT -5
We're worrying about this and we're not dominating the current league? We were on the verge of, or were actually, being ranked this season-- now we're in 5th place or so? Are we getting a bit too far ahead of ourselves? We've got to take care of business where we are too...
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Feb 21, 2017 15:19:19 GMT -5
We're worrying about this and we're not dominating the current league? We were on the verge of, or were actually, being ranked this season-- now we're in 5th place or so? Are we getting a bit too far ahead of ourselves? We've got to take care of business where we are too... Not that I wouldn't want us to be competing for the championship in our current conference, but this has little to do with realignment. If the A10 or Big East came calling for basketball or CAA for football, we would not turn it down because we are not dominating the leagues we are currently in. Same goes for when Colorado and Utah joined Pac-12, Texas A&M and Missouri joined SEC, Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska joined Big 10, BC, Pitt and Cuse joined ACC, or even when UConn joined the HE. I want to see us do well of course, but dominating our current league isn't a strict requirement for hoping for an improvement in conference affiliation.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 21, 2017 15:27:19 GMT -5
Zamboni, I agree that dominating is not a strict requirement for "hoping" for an improvement in conference affiliation. However, it might be a requirement for actually RECEIVING an invite, which nobody here can prove we either did, or are close to receiving in the future. What makes us more attractive than those programs ahead of us?
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Post by bigfan on Feb 21, 2017 16:18:07 GMT -5
What makes us more attractive is LOCATION.
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Feb 21, 2017 16:53:34 GMT -5
I'm saying I don't think its requirement for an invite, hence the list of schools I gave which were not dominating or even performing well and still got an invite to a superior conference. We historically performed better in hockey than UConn, yet they still got an invite to HE. There have been numerous articles citing us and QU as the only logical replacements in HE. I'm not saying it's going to happen, that horse has been repeatedly beaten dead in this thread, but just that our performance has no bearing on our conference affiliation. If anything, teams improve once they upgrade in conference (Again, UConn hockey for example).
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Post by zambonihomie13 on Feb 21, 2017 16:55:18 GMT -5
Just to continue: what makes us attractive is location (due to travel partners and in a relative hotbed for hockey) and academic pedigree.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 21, 2017 17:28:09 GMT -5
I'm saying I don't think its requirement for an invite, hence the list of schools I gave which were not dominating or even performing well and still got an invite to a superior conference. We historically performed better in hockey than UConn, yet they still got an invite to HE. There have been numerous articles citing us and QU as the only logical replacements in HE. I'm not saying it's going to happen, that horse has been repeatedly beaten dead in this thread, but just that our performance has no bearing on our conference affiliation. If anything, teams improve once they upgrade in conference (Again, UConn hockey for example). UConn had right of first refusal because their women were already in HE. As of April, HC women will be in.
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Post by Chu Chu on Feb 21, 2017 17:42:46 GMT -5
I'm saying I don't think its requirement for an invite, hence the list of schools I gave which were not dominating or even performing well and still got an invite to a superior conference. We historically performed better in hockey than UConn, yet they still got an invite to HE. There have been numerous articles citing us and QU as the only logical replacements in HE. I'm not saying it's going to happen, that horse has been repeatedly beaten dead in this thread, but just that our performance has no bearing on our conference affiliation. If anything, teams improve once they upgrade in conference (Again, UConn hockey for example). UConn had right of first refusal because their women were already in HE. As of April, HC women will be in. What ?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 21, 2017 18:32:34 GMT -5
The women's 17-18 schedule is upgraded, but it is not a HE schedule. _________________________________________
Ultimately, the biggest negative factor with respect to HC HE membership is the lack of an on-campus rink seating at least 2500. If Merrimack can get in with a 2500 seat rink, so can HC.
Otherwise, HC and HE are basically beholden to the DCU, its bondholders, and the city's taxpayers.
If the Railers fail and exit rink right, and some other businessman comes along with another professional team and says he'll schedule 36 or 40 home games at the DCU provided he controls the dates, the city will chase the bigger rainbow. HC can't afford to pay the opportunity cost of revenue foregone.
UConn had leverage with XL, because XL is a state facility, and UConn was already a major tenant. _____________________________ Anybody have an idea of how many tickets are typically sold for a men's hockey game at the Hart, against a good opponent? (I assume the students attend for free.)
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Post by joe on Feb 21, 2017 19:31:43 GMT -5
Too bad HC didn't take a couple million of that donation to figure out a way to squeeze another 900 seats into the hockey rink, just in case an issue like this were to come up in the future.
I'd be happier if this whole discussion were nothing more than what-ifs from die hard fans, rather than one of the more sadly ironic misses in the history of HC athletics.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 21, 2017 19:48:58 GMT -5
Too bad HC didn't take a couple million of that donation to figure out a way to squeeze another 900 seats into the hockey rink, just in case an issue like this were to come up in the future. I'd be happier if this whole discussion were nothing more than what-ifs from die hard fans, rather than one of the more sadly ironic misses in the history of HC athletics. Couple more million? Try another $10++
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Post by joe on Feb 21, 2017 19:59:05 GMT -5
10 million? Ok so this would be only about 11% of the cost of the Luth project.
Do people realize HC just invested 87 million dollars into the Luth complex? Let me say this again - 87 MILLION DOLLARS, and the basketball court, football stadium, and hockey rink are all basically the same.
That's $87,000,000.00. And we're actually still talking about how we can't upgrade leagues because we don't have enough bleachers for fans to sit on.
I don't know - put a temporary rink over the grass in Fitton for a few months and bubble off 4K seats. Just figure it the flip out!
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Post by ncaam on Feb 21, 2017 20:04:54 GMT -5
The ship has sailed. We are a football school.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 22, 2017 7:28:40 GMT -5
* The current Hart rink seats around 850, any attendance numbers above that reflect standing room.
* The $10 million cost was from Fr. McF., although there was never any detail, to my knowledge, of what the $10 million would pay for, other than 'expansion'.
* I'm quite sure that they looked at expanding the rink when they settled on final configuration / designs of Luth. I suspect no donor was found willing to put up even a quarter or a third of the cost.
* Colgate's new rink seats 2,222, and cost $37.8 million. (The ice hockey part of the cost is probably $33-34 million.) Ice hockey is more important to Colgate than basketball. RIT's new rink seats over 4,000, completed in 2014, and cost $38 million. Can't find a cost for Bentley's new rink, which will seat 2,100.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 22, 2017 8:35:37 GMT -5
I'm good with that though I believe we are really a basketball school, which I am good with as well.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 22, 2017 9:09:15 GMT -5
To the old timers HC is either a BB or FB school, but as far as current students are concerned HC is a hockey school.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 22, 2017 10:16:30 GMT -5
* The current Hart rink seats around 850, any attendance numbers above that reflect standing room. * The $10 million cost was from Fr. McF., although there was never any detail, to my knowledge, of what the $10 million would pay for, other than 'expansion'. * I'm quite sure that they looked at expanding the rink when they settled on final configuration / designs of Luth. I suspect no donor was found willing to put up even a quarter or a third of the cost. * Colgate's new rink seats 2,222, and cost $37.8 million. (The ice hockey part of the cost is probably $33-34 million.) Ice hockey is more important to Colgate than basketball. RIT's new rink seats over 4,000, completed in 2014, and cost $38 million. Can't find a cost for Bentley's new rink, which will seat 2,100. Where does the 850 capacity number come from? The HC website says the rink "can seat 1,050 people."
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Post by hchoops on Feb 22, 2017 10:48:29 GMT -5
Hart Attendance last friday was 1814 that would be a lot of standees
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 22, 2017 11:40:20 GMT -5
They probably pack a few hundred in the Bud Ryan room. And, yes ACTP, if thinking HC is a football or basketball school makes me an old-timer, then I qualify. I suspect that the people who could make a financial difference among alums are those same old-timers who would rather invest in 1. basketball and 2. football before putting money into a great, but niche/small audience athletic program (i.e. hockey). While people aren't breaking down the doors to watch basketball at the Hart, I would bet that the live and televised audience to watch HC basketball play Syracuse, South Carolina, North Carolina, Duke is a lot greater than watching an HC team play the top hockey teams in the country. And for goodness sakes, this thread has been like a soap opera, posting the same stuff over and over and over over many months and nothing resolved and all speculation. Who said: 1. HE wants HC? 2. HC wants HE? 3. The Railers owner is blocking it? Is this the same person who told certain people that there was a problem in Sweden? Sweden!!! Sweden!!?? Reading stuff on Crossports doesn't make it so.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 22, 2017 11:47:35 GMT -5
It doesn't? OMG! What have I been led to believe all of these years???
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 22, 2017 11:52:14 GMT -5
sader1970, don't post your False News TM here.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 22, 2017 13:49:50 GMT -5
The architects have to count occupants to ensure the exit doors have sufficient egress capacity, thus the following from the architects life safety drawings
>Skate sharpening room 1 occupant >Video room 23 occupants >Three locker rooms 66 occupants, one men's, one women's one visitors >Glass room 1 occupant >Zamboni room 6 occupants >Spectator seating 841 occupants + 9 wheelchair and 9 wheelchair companion = 859 plus at north end, a new raised platform 13 wheelchairs, and 13 wheelchair companions. = 885 total.
There are also counts for the coaches offices, so I assume those counts, during a game, would take care of game officials, coaches at a game, etc.
The exit door capacity is 1320 for the rink, without using entrance/exit doors on the east side at main N-S corridor in the Hart. So I am guessing that is the rated occupancy for the fire department.
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Post by sarasota on Feb 23, 2017 21:13:07 GMT -5
Lookin' more and more like PP is really from the Trappist planets.
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Post by cmo on Mar 21, 2017 13:35:10 GMT -5
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Post by hcgrad94 on Mar 21, 2017 13:59:36 GMT -5
Kansas City Scouts?
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