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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 23, 2020 19:44:37 GMT -5
And one major announcement still to come, which he hinted at. Will not be athletics-related, I didn’t get any hint of some major announcement in his letter. Was there something different in the video? yes. The video is 30+ minutes; his letter is probably no more than 90 seconds from the video.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 23, 2020 19:47:57 GMT -5
The major announcement involves an initiative to increase financial aid. The increase is likely to be significant.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 24, 2020 7:48:28 GMT -5
Well, it is an institution of higher education...I would hope the faculty have serious power. UH, WAY TO MUCH. HAVE A COUPLE OF DRINKS WITH AN UPPER LEVEL ADMINISTRATOR. THE FACULTY HOLDS THE INSTITUTION BY THE THROAT
You're also ignoring the lingering effects from this virus. UH, NO. MANY ARE IGNORING THE LIFE LONG EFFECTS OF SCHOOLS BEING CLOSED.
Want to expand the economic disparity and unfairness? As usual the left (NEA etc) has it backwards: the poor third grader will not do well with zoom learning. The rich have a not yet employed Stanford grad tutoring the kids.
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Post by alum on Sept 24, 2020 8:36:31 GMT -5
Well, it is an institution of higher education...I would hope the faculty have serious power. UH, WAY TO MUCH. HAVE A COUPLE OF DRINKS WITH AN UPPER LEVEL ADMINISTRATOR. THE FACULTY HOLDS THE INSTITUTION BY THE THROATYou're also ignoring the lingering effects from this virus. UH, NO. MANY ARE IGNORING THE LIFE LONG EFFECTS OF SCHOOLS BEING CLOSED. Want to expand the economic disparity and unfairness? As usual the left (NEA etc) has it backwards: the poor third grader will not do well with zoom learning. The rich have a not yet employed Stanford grad tutoring the kids. Have a couple of drinks with a hospital administrator. I think they will say the same thing about the medical staff.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 24, 2020 8:56:00 GMT -5
Well, it is an institution of higher education...I would hope the faculty have serious power. UH, WAY TO MUCH. HAVE A COUPLE OF DRINKS WITH AN UPPER LEVEL ADMINISTRATOR. THE FACULTY HOLDS THE INSTITUTION BY THE THROAT (Did you mean "too" much? No faculty holds any institution by the throat fo they have competent administrators. You used an argument often used by less than competent administrators.) You're also ignoring the lingering effects from this virus. UH, NO. MANY ARE IGNORING THE LIFE LONG EFFECTS OF SCHOOLS BEING CLOSED.Want to expand the economic disparity and unfairness? As usual the left (NEA etc) has it backwards: the poor third grader will not do well with zoom learning. The rich have a not yet employed Stanford grad tutoring the kids. What schools are closed? I do not know of any. Are you confusing that with distance learning? IMHO, if learning and class are still going on, that is far different from schools being "closed." Our granddaughter is in kindergarten and loves her zoom classes. They do require family involvement to be most effective. I am one who believes that the early years for students are the most important for the future. How is any of that a liberal/conservative issue (except in your view)?
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 24, 2020 9:07:51 GMT -5
Even "kindergarten" needs "family involvement." you make my point
If you cannot enter the school is it not closed?
How is any of that a liberal/conservative issue (except in your view)? You're joking, right?
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 24, 2020 9:17:27 GMT -5
Even "kindergarten" needs "family involvement." you make my point If you cannot enter the school is it not closed? How is any of that a liberal/conservative issue (except in your view)? You're joking, right? 1. No, that does not make your point at all. It is a separate point entirely. 2. Closing a building is far different from closing the school. Surely you understand the difference. 3. You made a point about the NEA being liberal. I have been in the NEA for all of my professional life and I know that is not the case, since there are many views among NEA members. (PS: As grievance chairperson, I "won" all of the grievances that were filed by our union while I was in office - yup, it is a union and not just an "association" - the board attorney helped the board make some really stupid decisions, telling them they could win as they violated the contract over and over. The board (and taxpayers) lost, but that attorney got paid a most generous hourly wage regardless of the result.)
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 24, 2020 9:22:40 GMT -5
our give and take is probably boring the audience who is already bored by the lack of HC sports
Hence, this will be my last response.
"are many views among NEA members." Yes, but the LEADERSHIP is clearly left. It's like saying I'm a pro-life Democrat. Enjoy the pat on the head; that's all you're getting.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 24, 2020 9:26:01 GMT -5
1. This is a public health issue and should not be a political issue [if it was, Dean Wormer would shut this down] 2. Before hchoops asks, I will. What does this have to do with Fr. B resigning?
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 24, 2020 9:32:58 GMT -5
what do any of our page 3s have to do with our page 1s?
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Post by hceconhist on Sept 24, 2020 10:22:07 GMT -5
Well, it is an institution of higher education...I would hope the faculty have serious power. UH, WAY TO MUCH. HAVE A COUPLE OF DRINKS WITH AN UPPER LEVEL ADMINISTRATOR. THE FACULTY HOLDS THE INSTITUTION BY THE THROAT You're also ignoring the lingering effects from this virus. UH, NO. MANY ARE IGNORING THE LIFE LONG EFFECTS OF SCHOOLS BEING CLOSED. Want to expand the economic disparity and unfairness? As usual the left (NEA etc) has it backwards: the poor third grader will not do well with zoom learning. The rich have a not yet employed Stanford grad tutoring the kids. I will honor Dean Wormer's theme of not going political except except to make one thing clear: I certainly do not belong to the left. That being said, I am married to an inner city public school teacher with a preexisting condition. Am I allowed to worry about her health in the classroom, or is this all just fake news? Sure the mortality rate may be low, but death is hardly the only health consequence from this virus. Regarding the faculty, I will paraphrase my response to you in a previous post, to which I do not believe you responded. Teaching at Holy Cross requires to you prioritize teaching over research or other more lucrative side gigs. Want to see a school that does not prioritize teaching? Go to a big university; that's not Holy Cross. These are people who literally live for teaching. If you really want in-person learning to resume, ask the administrators to be a little more creative with that space. I presume we are both Holy Cross alumni, so you should know socially distancing in those classrooms is almost impossible. On the theme of both being alumni of a school that prioritizes critical thinking over all else, we should both be able to acknowledge that there are largely no right answers hear. No matter what decision you make, someone is going to be worse off. Maybe we should have some compassion and not demean those who make our beloved alma mater great.
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Post by nhteamer on Sept 24, 2020 10:40:24 GMT -5
I agree with many of your points, most particularly that your wife absolutely should not be in a classroom (or inside at a restaurant, or in a crowded elevator)
Not sure how many lucrative side gigs our faculty have given up (except perhaps a Broadway remake of Jesus Christ Superstar with a homo erotic Christ)
Although not in the classroom, young people are not social distancing.
"Maybe we should have some compassion and not demean those who make our beloved alma mater great. " I'm sorry, what?
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Post by bison137 on Sept 24, 2020 11:51:20 GMT -5
our give and take is probably boring the audience who is already bored by the lack of HC sports Hence, this will be my last response. "are many views among NEA members." Yes, but the LEADERSHIP is clearly left. It's like saying I'm a pro-life Democrat. Enjoy the pat on the head; that's all you're getting. Fwiw, the NEA has endorsed the Democrat in each of the past 12 presidential elections, and has never endorsed a Republican. Also 95%+ of its overall political contributions in 2012 and 2016 went to Democrats.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Sept 24, 2020 11:55:27 GMT -5
Yet another thread completely off the rails.
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Post by rickii on Sept 24, 2020 17:43:39 GMT -5
what do any of our page 3s have to do with our page 1s? Sorry to interrupt but I found this to be so true as well as very funny 😀
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Post by rickii on Sept 24, 2020 17:53:46 GMT -5
Well, it is an institution of higher education...I would hope the faculty have serious power. UH, WAY TO MUCH. HAVE A COUPLE OF DRINKS WITH AN UPPER LEVEL ADMINISTRATOR. THE FACULTY HOLDS THE INSTITUTION BY THE THROAT You're also ignoring the lingering effects from this virus. UH, NO. MANY ARE IGNORING THE LIFE LONG EFFECTS OF SCHOOLS BEING CLOSED. Want to expand the economic disparity and unfairness? As usual the left (NEA etc) has it backwards: the poor third grader will not do well with zoom learning. The rich have a not yet employed Stanford grad tutoring the kids. I will honor Dean Wormer's theme of not going political except except to make one thing clear: I certainly do not belong to the left. That being said, I am married to an inner city public school teacher with a preexisting condition. Am I allowed to worry about her health in the classroom, or is this all just fake news? Sure the mortality rate may be low, but death is hardly the only health consequence from this virus. Regarding the faculty, I will paraphrase my response to you in a previous post, to which I do not believe you responded. Teaching at Holy Cross requires to you prioritize teaching over research or other more lucrative side gigs. Want to see a school that does not prioritize teaching? Go to a big university; that's not Holy Cross. These are people who literally live for teaching. If you really want in-person learning to resume, ask the administrators to be a little more creative with that space. I presume we are both Holy Cross alumni, so you should know socially distancing in those classrooms is almost impossible. On the theme of both being alumni of a school that prioritizes critical thinking over all else, we should both be able to acknowledge that there are largely no right answers hear. No matter what decision you make, someone is going to be worse off. Maybe we should have some compassion and not demean those who make our beloved alma mater great. Respectfully, two of my kids graduated from big state universities. In both cases the faculty was accessible, talented and focused....excellent educations for both.
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Post by hceconhist on Sept 24, 2020 22:41:14 GMT -5
I agree with many of your points, most particularly that your wife absolutely should not be in a classroom (or inside at a restaurant, or in a crowded elevator) Not sure how many lucrative side gigs our faculty have given up (except perhaps a Broadway remake of Jesus Christ Superstar with a homo erotic Christ) Although not in the classroom, young people are not social distancing. "Maybe we should have some compassion and not demean those who make our beloved alma mater great. " I'm sorry, what? I'll end with this: We'll agree to disagree about the opportunity costs of teaching at a small liberal arts college. I graduated seven years ago, and from what I can remember, all of my professors had PhDs, and many of them from Ivy League or similar institutions (I believe two of my econ professor studied under Jonathan Gruber and Joseph Stiglitz, respectively). With that time commitment, and with those credentials, they could have easily found less time demanding and more lucrative gigs - or at least jobs that allow them to earn extra money (e.g., consulting). As you said, young people are NOT social distancing. So, they are putting the health of older professors and faculty at risk. To tie this back to Fr. B, I think making this decision, despite its guaranteed controversy, required courage and I commend him for it. The faculty are largely what make Holy Cross great. It is disrespectful to imply that they are simply refusing to do their jobs and dismiss their legitimate concerns.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 24, 2020 23:00:08 GMT -5
I respect the faculty but don't consider them overworked, underpaid or victims in any way.
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Post by rickii on Sept 25, 2020 6:19:24 GMT -5
our give and take is probably boring the audience who is already bored by the lack of HC sports Hence, this will be my last response. "are many views among NEA members." Yes, but the LEADERSHIP is clearly left. It's like saying I'm a pro-life Democrat. Enjoy the pat on the head; that's all you're getting. Fwiw, the NEA has endorsed the Democrat in each of the past 12 presidential elections, and has never endorsed a Republican. Also 95%+ of its overall political contributions in 2012 and 2016 went to Democrats. Yikes....mildly surprised but still....Yikes!
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Post by hceconhist on Sept 25, 2020 8:17:01 GMT -5
I respect the faculty but don't consider them overworked, underpaid or victims in any way. That's not the point. I was simply arguing against the assertion that the faculty are entitled and refuse to do their jobs under any adversity.
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Post by rickii on Sept 25, 2020 9:23:58 GMT -5
So back on the rails....
The past 4-5 years have seen several major controversial events, scandals, policy decisions and tragedy at HC. Some of these probably didn’t sit well with influential alums while some, I would think, had to have taken a toll on Fr. B.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he was encouraged to retire and in light of the above, didn’t choose to press on for being ‘drained’.
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Post by alum on Sept 25, 2020 10:23:43 GMT -5
So back on the rails.... The past 4-5 years have seen several major controversial events, scandals, policy decisions and tragedy at HC. Some of these probably didn’t sit well with influential alums while some, I would think, had to have taken a toll on Fr. B. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was encouraged to retire and in light of the above, didn’t choose to press on for being ‘drained’. Nine years, four new buildings, and a successful campaign is long enough whether he was pushed or not. The Board supported him, rightly in my mind, on the Crusader, on Mulledy, on Liew, and on other issues. I have not seen any evidence that he is to blame on the organist, but I do think, based on what we have seen, that he deserves some blame for his handling of the Philosophy professor. I wish there was more transparency on Mount St. James. They seem to make basic demographic information available long after other schools each year. I don't like that. If the financial aid announcement is a big deal, his term might end up being described as a great success. If it is a "ho hum" thing, that will be a disappointment.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 25, 2020 11:37:36 GMT -5
Alum: Not to unnecessarily stir the pot, but I am curious how you believe Prof Liew’s situation should have been resolved by Fr. B, since you made the statement he is to blame in his handling of the matter. Keeping in mind that Holy Cross must follow AAUP guidelines regarding faculty discipline. www.aaup.org/issues/appointments-promotions-discipline/faculty-misconduct-and-discipline-2005Many people have had a visceral reaction to the statements attributed Prof Liew. Their concerns voiced to the college are valid based on their beliefs. We will do not know nor should we know, how this situation was handled by the college, as the matter has to be adjudicated based on the guidelines and contract of hire. Under the circumstances, I believe that Fr. B did a remarkable job in meeting the goals he was tasked by the BOT. He exceeded the objectives of the Capital Campaign after a major recession, he got shovels in the ground on multiple projects that have been stalled, in some cases for decades, and he delicately managed a number of personnel decisions, without a faculty or staff insurrection. His successor will now be challenged to raise the institutional and academic profile of the college. At 71 years of age, long past the time that many have retired, he deserves to take some time to reflect on his accomplishments and plan for the remainder of his career. I believe the BOT was pleased that Fr. B achieved the goals set in 2011.
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Post by Tom on Sept 25, 2020 12:02:46 GMT -5
Semi off topic, but. . .
Diocesan priests are required to retire at age 75. That is from the Vatican, not just some local rule. Does that rule apply to priests who are in religious orders not doing parish duty?
At age 71, the mandatory retirement age (if it exists for Jesuits) might have played a role in the decision. With this capital campaign winding down, you know there is another one right around the corner. If the 75 rule applies, he wouldn't have see the end of that next campaign.
Just random speculation filling the time normally spent bemoaning football play calling
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Post by HC16 on Sept 25, 2020 12:03:48 GMT -5
Alum: Not to unnecessarily stir the pot, but I am curious how you believe Prof Liew’s situation should have been resolved by Fr. B, since you made the statement he is to blame in his handling of the matter. Keeping in mind that Holy Cross must follow AAUP guidelines regarding faculty discipline. www.aaup.org/issues/appointments-promotions-discipline/faculty-misconduct-and-discipline-2005Many people have had a visceral reaction to the statements attributed Prof Liew. Their concerns voiced to the college are valid based on their beliefs. We will do not know nor should we know, how this situation was handled by the college, as the matter has to be adjudicated based on the guidelines and contract of hire. Under the circumstances, I believe that Fr. B did a remarkable job in meeting the goals he was tasked by the BOT. He exceeded the objectives of the Capital Campaign after a major recession, he got shovels in the ground on multiple projects that have been stalled, in some cases for decades, and he delicately managed a number of personnel decisions, without a faculty or staff insurrection. His successor will now be challenged to raise the institutional and academic profile of the college. At 71 years of age, long past the time that many have retired, he deserves to take some time to reflect on his accomplishments and plan for the remainder of his career. I believe the BOT was pleased that Fr. B achieved the goals set in 2011. Not to put words in alum's mouth, but I don't believe the Liew situation is the one where he feels Fr. B deserves some blame. Liew is a religious studies professor, not a philosophy professor.
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