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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 27, 2021 19:29:09 GMT -5
I believe that was the 2009 season or thereabouts--an unfortunate incident many years ago
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 27, 2021 19:40:19 GMT -5
Several years ago, HC had to double, IIRC, the number of psychologists on the counseling staff because of demand. (Can't blame that on COVID.) And not all that long ago, one football player stabbed another at a party on City View. (Can't blame that on COVID either.) So please tell is what you think of all this.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 27, 2021 19:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 27, 2021 20:01:16 GMT -5
Several years ago, HC had to double, IIRC, the number of psychologists on the counseling staff because of demand. (Can't blame that on COVID.) And not all that long ago, one football player stabbed another at a party on City View. (Can't blame that on COVID either.) So please tell is what you think of all this. HC was far from being alone in having to ramp up psychological counseling. bowdoinorient.com/2020/02/21/expand-mental-health-services/In a webinar several years ago, the topic of excessive drinking by HC students came up. IIRC, this was addressed by the provost, who said numerous parents had complained about the excessive drinking on campus, and wanted to know what the college was doing about it. Again IIRC, the provost listed several initiatives and sequed into a brief discussion of increased psychological counseling, and that some males at the college were resistant to seeking counseling. ______________ Edited to add that I am pretty sure the webinar was in 2019, and held for class chairs. I was/am not a class chair, but the class chair asked that I join the webinar and take notes for the class, as he was unable to do so.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 27, 2021 20:29:34 GMT -5
So please tell is what you think of all this. HC was far from being alone in having to ramp up psychological counseling. bowdoinorient.com/2020/02/21/expand-mental-health-services/In a webinar several years ago, the topic of excessive drinking by HC students came up. IIRC, this was addressed by the provost, who said numerous parents had complained about the excessive drinking on campus, and wanted to know what the college was doing about it. Again IIRC, the provost listed several initiatives and sequed into a brief discussion of increased psychological counseling, and that some males at the college were resistant to seeking counseling. As long as I have been associated with Holy Cross, over 50 years, there has been a issue with students and alumni with alcohol on campus. Excessive drinking and the resulting very bad behavior is a reason I am against the selling of beer at Fitton and the Hart Center for games. I have seen some very ugly and nasty incidents on campus due to the lack of self control. My family owned a Bar and a Restaurant when I was in high school. Personally saw how over consumption of alcohol had a very bad and destructive effect on the families of several patrons. If someone desires to have a beer or two before the game in one of the lots or after in the pub in Hogan I agree, go ahead. Personally I won’t, because I want to be sharp in remembering the game, and needless to say, do not want a possible DUI on the way home. I have friends and classmates who have struggled for years in hiding their severe issues. Putting temptation directly under their nose, inside the venue, is more than some can psychologically and physiologically can handle.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 28, 2021 12:36:26 GMT -5
A little off topic, Crucis? Wasn't this about attending games, not buying beer at them; not that your concerns aren't warranted.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Feb 28, 2021 13:45:16 GMT -5
Tim:
Last year on several occasions there were discussions with the Athletic Department, regarding selling of beer at Fitton Field. Previously mentioned in this thread was a mention of excessive drinking by students. Guess I got on a soapbox. 😕
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Post by hc2020 on Feb 28, 2021 15:04:36 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, I have been to a few BC home football and hockey games (pre-COVID). BC began selling beer and wine inside of Alumni Stadium and Conte Forum a few years ago. I haven’t seen or heard of any problems associated with the sale of alcoholic beverages. While the risks are obviously legitimate, they have not been a problem at one local school that has a pretty good reputation for partying amongst its student body and a pretty antagonistic number of neighbors who would jump all over BC if things got even a little out of hand.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Feb 28, 2021 15:12:08 GMT -5
Tim: Last year on several occasions there were discussions with the Athletic Department, regarding selling of beer at Fitton Field. Previously mentioned in this thread was a mention of excessive drinking by students. Guess I got on a soapbox. 😕 I applaud your soapbox. Alcohol abuse has been a huge problem at HC and many other colleges for decades. This abuse goes hand in hand with mental health issues in general and also sexual assault. This thread may not be the place for this discussion, but it is worth discussing. IMHO alcohol should not be served at football games on campus.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 28, 2021 15:47:29 GMT -5
There will be some who say they won't attend games (when allowed) unless alcohol is served. My background at Straight and Narrow influences me here, so I have to agree to some extent that alcohol can be a problem for some. However, there is a big difference between drinking and drinking to excess. If kept within limits I don't see an automatic problem.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 28, 2021 17:37:58 GMT -5
How about getting the Sole Proprietor to set up a booth to serve clam and lobster rolls? I'd rather over pay on that to help HC than on beer.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 28, 2021 17:56:20 GMT -5
I’m not really a fan of alcohol at on-campus venues but not sure they make a huge difference. If people are inclined to drink too much before or while attending a game, they’ll find a way to do it. And the prices are usually such that the serious drinkers find other sources.
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Post by Chu Chu on Feb 28, 2021 18:18:07 GMT -5
hc2020 - what is your experience in this area? Have you known people infected? Have you known people with "long haul symptoms? Have you known people who have been hospitalized or who have died? I have known all of these, and it has made me more cautious, not less. A college population, such as Holy Cross, is at great risk of spread, which can explode quickly. That could and would really ruin the semester for so many, even if everyone recovers and has no long term problems (a big IF). If there is an error to be made, erring on the side of caution seems the most prudent to me. This semester and the two before that have already been really ruined for most college kids in America. As you know, there are serious potential consequences to keeping a large percentage of 18-22 year olds locked up for a year. These same 18-22 year olds tend to have few or no symptoms if they do happen to contract the virus. I have a 15 yo and a 16 yo and I see the consequences of the virus on them every day even though neither has had the virus as far as we know. I understand that here are definite negative consequences of the sequestration and isolation that many are enduring because of these precautions. However, two things are true at the same time. The precautions suck and so does the disease and it's ramifications. As for Holy cross - it looks as if we can and will have a successful second semester of activities, including football, if we continue with the plan in place and do not lose focus. That is great and a real tribute to the administration, faculty, staff and students. www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/many-young-adults-hospitalized-covid-19-face-hard-road
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 28, 2021 18:40:15 GMT -5
The decision to shut down public schools and go remote learning will go down as one of the worst decisions by elected officials this century. We are going to see serious developmental issues with younger children. Sadly, it’s the less fortunate families who are really going to feel this the most.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 28, 2021 19:08:57 GMT -5
/\ I’m still not perfectly clear as to why I’m physically teaching 20-25 high school seniors in a class and a college prof can’t physically teach 20-25 college frosh in a class.
Of course I’m the same guy who thought closing the public schools and going remote would do nothing to fight covid and only harm kids...and thought fedex package scrubbing, gloved shopping, beach closings, and outdoor fan- banning was scientifically ridiculous...so what do I know.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 28, 2021 19:47:07 GMT -5
This semester and the two before that have already been really ruined for most college kids in America. As you know, there are seeious potential consequences to keeping a large percentage of 18-22 year olds locked up for a year. These same 18-22 year olds tend to have few or no symptoms if they do happen to contract the virus. I have a 15 yo and a 16 yo and I see the consequences of the virus on them every day even though neither has had the virus as far as we know. And your point??? Stuff like that has always happened in college. Not really new.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 28, 2021 19:49:12 GMT -5
For what it’s worth, I have been to a few BC home football and hockey games (pre-COVID). BC began selling beer and wine inside of Alumni Stadium and Conte Forum a few years ago. I haven’t seen or heard of any problems associated with the sale of alcoholic beverages. While the risks are obviously legitimate, they have not been a problem at one local school that has a pretty good reputation for partying amongst its student body and a pretty antagonistic number of neighbors who would jump all over BC if things got even a little out of hand. BU and Lowell have always sold beer at hockey games...I have not seen issues at either school.
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Post by bfoley82 on Feb 28, 2021 19:51:27 GMT -5
This semester and the two before that have already been really ruined for most college kids in America. As you know, there are serious potential consequences to keeping a large percentage of 18-22 year olds locked up for a year. These same 18-22 year olds tend to have few or no symptoms if they do happen to contract the virus. I have a 15 yo and a 16 yo and I see the consequences of the virus on them every day even though neither has had the virus as far as we know. I understand that here are definite negative consequences of the sequestration and isolation that many are enduring because of these precautions. However, two things are true at the same time. The precautions suck and so does the disease and it's ramifications. As for Holy cross - it looks as if we can and will have a successful second semester of activities, including football, if we continue with the plan in place and do not lose focus. That is great and a real tribute to the administration, faculty, staff and students. www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/many-young-adults-hospitalized-covid-19-face-hard-roadWhat makes you say it will be successful? This week we will start seeing Division 1 NCAA Basketball schools forfeiting conference tournament games for COVID. (Navy Women bounced out of the PL Tourney) It already happened in D-2 Hoops and Hockey East Women's Tourney.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 28, 2021 20:12:35 GMT -5
This semester and the two before that have already been really ruined for most college kids in America. As you know, there are serious potential consequences to keeping a large percentage of 18-22 year olds locked up for a year. These same 18-22 year olds tend to have few or no symptoms if they do happen to contract the virus. I have a 15 yo and a 16 yo and I see the consequences of the virus on them every day even though neither has had the virus as far as we know. I understand that here are definite negative consequences of the sequestration and isolation that many are enduring because of these precautions. However, two things are true at the same time. The precautions suck and so does the disease and it's ramifications. As for Holy cross - it looks as if we can and will have a successful second semester of activities, including football, if we continue with the plan in place and do not lose focus. That is great and a real tribute to the administration, faculty, staff and students. www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/many-young-adults-hospitalized-covid-19-face-hard-roadWe all want to find the right balance between avoiding the disease and avoiding the severe mental health consequences of isolation. I read the study discussed in the AMA article. They studied the cases of 3222 non-pregnant people aged 18-34 who required hospitalized with Covid and were discharged from April 1-June 30. These 3222 patients spanned 419 hospitals. The median hospital stay was 4 days. 343 of the 3222 died or were ventilated. 180 of these 343 were obese (140 morbidly obese). An unspecified other number of the remaining 163 had Asthma, Hypertension, Type 2 Diabetes or smoked. jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2770542Obviously, we want the number of dead or seriously ill to be zero but Covid is not killing many young people. Can’t find accurate data for 2020 for suicide or overdose, but I have to think many more young people are dying from those than Covid.
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Post by alum on Mar 1, 2021 8:27:22 GMT -5
This thread has gone off on a number of tangents.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 1, 2021 9:51:00 GMT -5
^ "This" thread?
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Post by alum on Mar 1, 2021 10:34:09 GMT -5
I think going from spring football to student on student crime at Quinnipiac to alcoholism among college students is pretty impressive even for us.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2021 11:08:07 GMT -5
I think going from spring football to student on student crime at Quinnipiac to alcoholism among college students is pretty impressive even for us. Wait until we add a discussion on synthetic motor oil and perhaps a sidebar on cross country skiing apparel.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 1, 2021 11:15:42 GMT -5
I think going from spring football to student on student crime at Quinnipiac to alcoholism among college students is pretty impressive even for us. Ha! I could hijack the Valpo crusader thread by digressing into the origin of that school's original nickname, the Uhlans, which was abandoned during WWI, because of a presumed association with the latter day Huns. The last battle of the Uhlans was in 1920, when Polish Uhlans defeated the Bolshevik Uhlans; one of the Polish commanders was named Rommel, --no, not that one. This was one year after the United States, Britain, France, Canada, and Italy invaded Russia. See also the movie, "Reds"..in which Jack Nicholson plays Eugene O'Neill. IMO, tangents, provided these are not too oblique, are the signature of a good liberal arts education.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 2, 2021 7:19:14 GMT -5
I think going from spring football to student on student crime at Quinnipiac to alcoholism among college students is pretty impressive even for us. Ha! I could hijack the Valpo crusader thread by digressing into the origin of that school's original nickname, the Uhlans, which was abandoned during WWI, because of a presumed association with the latter day Huns. The last battle of the Uhlans was in 1920, when Polish Uhlans defeated the Bolshevik Uhlans; one of the Polish commanders was named Rommel, --no, not that one. This was one year after the United States, Britain, France, Canada, and Italy invaded Russia. See also the movie, "Reds"..in which Jack Nicholson plays Eugene O'Neill. IMO, tangents, provided these are not too oblique, are the signature of a good liberal arts education. Usually when one says "I could go into" something, one does not. At least it was brief. So to re-cap ... From spring football to student on student crime at Quinnipiac to alcoholism among college students to the Polish-Soviet War to ...
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