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Post by possum on Feb 28, 2021 7:02:29 GMT -5
Loyola has had a ton of close losses, 7 of 9 losses were by total of 18 points, 2 in overtime. Don't know what that says about ability to close out games. Also see that Cam Spencer played 1st game of season yesterday, another very good player added to the mix, they do have a lot if talent.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 28, 2021 8:14:14 GMT -5
The Loyola guard position was absolutely decimated by injuries/illness this season. Even so, they lost their first 4 games this year by a total of just 7 points. If Spencer is fully recovered they'll be a very tough opponent for any team and, of course, potential PL POY Aldama (who is 6'11" and not slow footed) is an impossible matchup here in the PL.
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Post by Tom on Feb 28, 2021 10:04:56 GMT -5
No guarantees, but this is how it looks to me
HC is currently in 8th place
Lehigh and Loyola can both pass HC with a win
If Lehigh and Loyola both lose HC will host Lehigh
If Lehigh wins and Loyola loses, HC finishes 9th and goes to Lehigh if American wins but goes to American if they lose
If Loyola wins and Lehigh loses, HC finishes in 9th. If American wins, HC goes to Loyola. If American loses they finish tied with Loyola at .333 and HC goes to whoever loses that tiebreaker. I haven't thought about it enough to figure that one out
If Lehigh and Loyola both win, HC finishes 10th. An American loss would send HC to #7 Lehigh. An American win would push them out of the play-in game. That American win combined with a BU win would send HC to Bucknell. A BU loss and HC goes to BU
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Post by trimster on Feb 28, 2021 10:33:10 GMT -5
No guarantees, but this is how it looks to me HC is currently in 8th place Lehigh and Loyola can both pass HC with a win If Lehigh and Loyola both lose HC will host Lehigh If Lehigh wins and Loyola loses, HC finishes 9th and goes to Lehigh if American wins but goes to American if they lose If Loyola wins and Lehigh loses, HC finishes in 9th. If American wins, HC goes to Loyola. If American loses they finish tied with Loyola at .333 and HC goes to whoever loses that tiebreaker. I haven't thought about it enough to figure that one out If Lehigh and Loyola both win, HC finishes 10th. An American loss would send HC to #7 Lehigh. An American win would push them out of the play-in game. That American win combined with a BU win would send HC to Bucknell. A BU loss and HC goes to BU
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Post by trimster on Feb 28, 2021 10:34:30 GMT -5
My head is about to explode. Having said that, I am rooting for a game 7 vs. BU.
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Post by thecrossisback on Feb 28, 2021 10:44:06 GMT -5
My head is about to explode. Having said that, I am rooting for a game 7 vs. BU. I know how many hours till we know exactly who we are playing and when the game time is. With regards to Loyola MD I don't think that good at all. 4-10. You can say they played in some close games. But they haven't exactly played tough teams either. HC should roll right past them but who knows.
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Post by notjuanjones on Feb 28, 2021 10:52:04 GMT -5
My head is about to explode. Having said that, I am rooting for a game 7 vs. BU. I know how many hours till we know exactly who we are playing and when the game time is. With regards to Loyola MD I don't think that good at all. 4-10. You can say they played in some close games. But they haven't exactly played tough teams either. HC should roll right past them but who knows. Watched 6-8 Loyola games pretty closely this year, including all of the three they played against AU. They're a really strange team. As mentioned above, their starting PG Hart missed the first half of the season, and they really struggled without him, especially in end-game situations. They've been much better since he returned. What I don't get about them at all, though, is that Aldama will sometimes go three or four possessions in a row without really touching the ball. He much prefers being on the perimeter and attacking off the dribble or spotting up for threes to playing with his back to the basket. Dike will throw lobs to him off of high-low sets, but that's really all the posting up Aldama does. And they can't shoot threes, but chuck up a lot of them. They really try to get the ball down low to Dike for some reason, but he's such a bad free throw shooter teams just foul him and put him on the line. But, having said all of that, Aldama's the most talented player in the league by far, to me, and can go get 30 any time.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 28, 2021 10:56:53 GMT -5
My head is about to explode. Having said that, I am rooting for a game 7 vs. BU. With the no fly rule, avoiding a trip to D.C. or Maryland is worth a couple of points.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 28, 2021 10:59:52 GMT -5
If Loyola and Lehigh both lose, we host Lehigh. Any other scenario, we travel as the 9 or 10. Is that the simple man’s version?
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Post by trimster on Feb 28, 2021 11:55:52 GMT -5
My head is about to explode. Having said that, I am rooting for a game 7 vs. BU. With the no fly rule, avoiding a trip to D.C. or Maryland is worth a couple of points. At least. I would hope if BU, Lehigh, Holy Cross and Loyola end up as 7-10 in whatever order, the adults in the room would say geography is going to decide who plays who on Weds and we will figure out seeding, if needed, after that.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 28, 2021 13:01:27 GMT -5
Just curious about one thing- unless I read it wrong, Lehigh and Loyola split 1-1; what makes Lehigh the higher seed if both teams win or both teams lose? Seems like every description above has Lehigh as the higher seed if they're tied.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 28, 2021 13:07:34 GMT -5
My head is about to explode. Having said that, I am rooting for a game 7 vs. BU. With the no fly rule, avoiding a trip to D.C. or Maryland is worth a couple of points. Question: is it a no-fly rule or no-overnight rule? Wouldn't traveling to BWI by PLANE be FASTER than taking a bus, meaning that it would be feasible for team to go down and back same day? Depending on time of game...
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 28, 2021 13:11:40 GMT -5
With the no fly rule, avoiding a trip to D.C. or Maryland is worth a couple of points. Question: is it a no-fly rule or no-overnight rule? Wouldn't traveling to BWI by PLANE be FASTER than taking a bus, meaning that it would be feasible for team to go down and back same day? Depending on time of game... Sorry dumb question. When we played in Hamilton back to back days, we obviously spent the night in a hotel. So I guess a Maryland trip would just involve a long bus trip and a hotel stay. If the swim team can handle a bus trip to Annapolis, the basketball team can too. We'll be fine.
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Post by notjuanjones on Feb 28, 2021 14:49:36 GMT -5
Just curious about one thing- unless I read it wrong, Lehigh and Loyola split 1-1; what makes Lehigh the higher seed if both teams win or both teams lose? Seems like every description above has Lehigh as the higher seed if they're tied. I think it's actually reversed, with Loyola nine and Lehigh 10 if they remain tied-both teams win or both teams lose-after today. Here's why-and, again, with these tiebreaker rules, I always say I could be wrong: From the PL: • The fourth through 10th seeds are determined by the following procedure, with the team with the highest winning percentage among the non-mini-conference-winning teams earning the fourth seed and the right to host a quarterfinal game. The seventh and eighth seeds earn the right to host for the first-round games.
1. Best overall League winning percentages 2. Head-to-head record, if applicable 3. Comparison winning percentage vs. non-tied common opponents starting at the highest possible seed and continuing through the lowest seed 4. Coin toss or draw [shown on Zoom]Obviously, if one of Lehigh/Loyola wins today and the other loses, the team that wins today will have the higher seed. But if both win or lose-which would make both teams either 5-9 in conference play, or 4-10: the tiebreakers would commence. 1) Their league winning percentages would be the same-either .357 (5-9) or .286 (4-10), forcing tiebreaker #2; 2) Lehigh and Loyola split their two games head to head, forcing tiebreaker #3; 3) If I am reading this right, it's winning percentage (my emphasis) vs. non-tied common opponents, starting with the top-seeded team and working down until one team has a better win percentage than the other. For the sake of argument, let's say that Navy beats Loyola and Lafayette beats Lehigh, making Loyola and Lehigh both 4-10 in conference play. Navy would thus get the top seed by virtue of a 12-1 PL record, a half-game better than 11-1 Colgate. Colgate would be the two seed, and Lafayette is the three seed regardless. So, you'd start with how Loyola and Lehigh each did against Navy this season. Lehigh: 0-2: win percentage .000 Loyola: 0-3 (including a presumed loss to Navy today): win percentage .000 (If both Loyola and Lehigh win today, Loyola would still win the tiebreaker, because Loyola would then have a win over Navy, giving Loyola a 1-2 record against Navy this season, and a higher win percentage over the Mids-.333-than Lehigh's .000.) Neither Lehigh nor Loyola played Colgate, the two seed in this scenario. Lafayette: Lehigh: 1-3 (including presumed loss to Lafayette today): win percentage .250 Loyola: 2-4: win percentage .333 I think that would give Loyola the tiebreaker over Lehigh, making Loyola the higher seed. The reason Loyola is ranked higher than Lehigh now is because before today's games, Lehigh's record with Lafayette is 1-2, producing the same .333 win percentage Loyola has. Because of that, you'd then have to go to the current four seed, Army (.462 win percentage going into today). Neither Loyola nor Lehigh played Army. Bucknell (.444 win percentage) is the five seed entering play today. Lehigh is 0-4 (.000 win percentage) vs. Bucknell this season; Loyola didn't play Bucknell this season. (I might be interpreting wrong, but I don't think Lehigh would be ranked higher simply by virtue of playing Bucknell if it didn't beat Bucknell.) BU (.400 win percentage) is the sixth seed. Neither Loyola or Lehigh played BU. AU (.375) is the current seven seed. And Loyola is 1-2 against AU this season, for a .333 win percentage, while Lehigh and AU didn't play. By this tortured logic, I think Loyola thus is seeded higher than Lehigh going into today's games.
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 28, 2021 15:47:33 GMT -5
Army up big at the half over Boston Univ. 39-17
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Post by Tom on Feb 28, 2021 16:46:47 GMT -5
Just curious about one thing- unless I read it wrong, Lehigh and Loyola split 1-1; what makes Lehigh the higher seed if both teams win or both teams lose? Seems like every description above has Lehigh as the higher seed if they're tied. I think it's actually reversed, with Loyola nine and Lehigh 10 if they remain tied-both teams win or both teams lose-after today. Here's why-and, again, with these tiebreaker rules, I always say I could be wrong: Patriot league website is a little out of control. When I wrote my post this morning, the website at Loyola at 4-10. That has been changed to 4-9. Hard to figure scenarios if the resource isn't trustworthy
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Post by HC92 on Feb 28, 2021 16:53:19 GMT -5
Army up big at the half over Boston Univ. 39-17 Amazing how bad they’ve been for most of this season after being preseason favorites.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 28, 2021 16:55:52 GMT -5
I think it's actually reversed, with Loyola nine and Lehigh 10 if they remain tied-both teams win or both teams lose-after today. Here's why-and, again, with these tiebreaker rules, I always say I could be wrong: Patriot league website is a little out of control. When I wrote my post this morning, the website at Loyola at 4-10. That has been changed to 4-9. Hard to figure scenarios if the resource isn't trustworthy First rule in copying. Know whom you are copying from.
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Post by thecrossisback on Feb 28, 2021 16:56:07 GMT -5
Army up big at the half over Boston Univ. 39-17 Amazing how bad they’ve been for most of this season after being preseason favorites. Tie game at 55 Army had a 22 point lead. How do you spell choke: ARMY Army does have final shot with 7 seconds left. Army wins it!!!!!!!!!!!! With 1 second to go 57-55
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Post by timholycross on Feb 28, 2021 16:58:29 GMT -5
Army won on a straight on bank shot w/1.1 seconds left. 53-41 Army w/3:30 left.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 28, 2021 17:09:47 GMT -5
Army up big at the half over Boston Univ. 39-17 Amazing how bad they’ve been for most of this season after being preseason favorites. I think BU has wrapped up a spot in a post-season tournament the Underachievers Invitational Tournament
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Post by thecrossisback on Feb 28, 2021 17:18:05 GMT -5
Amazing how bad they’ve been for most of this season after being preseason favorites. I think BU has wrapped up a spot in a post-season tournament the Underachievers Invitational Tournament Not to defend BU but I think if they play a normal schedule. All the other teams twice they would be in the top 4 teams. KY, any chance we make the NIT this year? I want some more postseason basketball
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Feb 28, 2021 17:26:44 GMT -5
American up by 19 over the Bison, with eight minutes to play.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 28, 2021 17:30:28 GMT -5
Interesting question. Web speculation is the NIT will be sixteen teams instead of thirty-two, begin on March 16 and end on April 1, with all games at one bubble like location. That might eliminate Conference Regular Season winners who don't win the tournament.
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Post by notjuanjones on Feb 28, 2021 17:42:40 GMT -5
American up by 19 over the Bison, with eight minutes to play. AU wins 81-68, secures the five seed, will play at fourth seed Army in the first round.
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