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Apr 6, 2021 7:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 6, 2021 7:36:55 GMT -5
How many millions of dollars has Manfred stripped of black-owned businesses in the Atlanta area and put it in the pockets of white-owned businesses in Denver? Has that not been a big thing since George Floyd — “support black-owned businesses”?
What a clown.
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Post by Tom on Apr 6, 2021 8:47:36 GMT -5
I believe sports viewership has been down recently. Lots of people are turned off by their leisure time choices making political statements. I think it likely that more people tuned out of football because of the political stances than non-fans that started to watch because of the NFL players.
Making this move is probably a financial loser for MLB. I think they are going to alienate more existing fans than attract new ones. Baseball is having problem retaining fans with issues with the game itself. It's a bold move to alienate a dwindling fan base I know there are some things that are so morally heinous that it is right to forgo the mighty dollar. Requiring people who choose to vote by absentee ballot to produce an ID may or may not be that morally heinous (I'm not going down that political tangent). I just think MLB is taking a risk going down this path.
------------------------------------ On a minor tangent, most of the in game issues that are causing fans to tune out of baseball could be fixed if they got rid of Manfred and replaced him with me
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Apr 6, 2021 9:22:32 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Apr 6, 2021 9:22:32 GMT -5
Forgot about that. I don’t have a problem with not going there over their treatment of religious minorities, among other things. Seems like a better reason than the one which was the basis for the 1980 boycott Of course we are also talking about what a private business ( MLB) does vs the government getting involved as it does with the Olympics
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 6, 2021 14:39:17 GMT -5
How many millions of dollars has Manfred stripped of black-owned businesses in the Atlanta area and put it in the pockets of white-owned businesses in Denver? Has that not been a big thing since George Floyd — “support black-owned businesses”? What a clown. First the Braves don't even play in Atlanta anymore. They play in Cobb County which is 62.21% white, 24.96% black or African American, 4.46% Asian, 0.34% American Indian, 0.1% Pacific islander, 5.28% from other races, and 2.71% from two or more races.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 6, 2021 14:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 6, 2021 14:42:57 GMT -5
All Star game moves to Denver. I’d love to compare voting regs in Colorado compared to Georgia - probably pretty close Colorado has vote by mail and has for MANY years.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 6, 2021 15:51:14 GMT -5
What a shame. A wasted opportunity to honor ATL legend Henry Aaron, one of the greatest athletes of all time. As was touched on here, he passed away earlier this year. They can play that game in Milwaukee to honor him Apparently somebody checked Wisconsin's voting laws - more safeguards than Georgia's new law. And of course New York (MLB headquarters) venues were a no go (also more voting safeguards in the Empire State than the new law in Georgia). I'm unaware of the Colorado - Aaron connection. While MLB has obviously not read the new Georgia law, they did sponsor the Tampa Bay Rays v the Cuban national team matchup at Estadio Latinoamericano in Havana a few years ago so MLB clearly takes this voting stuff very very seriously.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 6, 2021 17:50:02 GMT -5
Yeah, but........
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Apr 6, 2021 19:41:12 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Apr 6, 2021 19:41:12 GMT -5
How many millions of dollars has Manfred stripped of black-owned businesses in the Atlanta area and put it in the pockets of white-owned businesses in Denver? Has that not been a big thing since George Floyd — “support black-owned businesses”? What a clown. First the Braves don't even play in Atlanta anymore. They play in Cobb County which is 62.21% white, 24.96% black or African American, 4.46% Asian, 0.34% American Indian, 0.1% Pacific islander, 5.28% from other races, and 2.71% from two or more races. Excellent point. When these big events come to these cities, all of the money is spent in the suburb where the stadium is located and not the huge city 15-20 minutes away.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 6, 2021 21:28:33 GMT -5
You only have to wait until next February to be correct, WRF; 2022 Winter Olympics are in Beijing. Expect a lot of tip toeing on this one as Corporations and Governments try to wiggle a camel's head through the eye of a needle to avoid a boycott by human rights activists without losing access to China's market.
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Apr 7, 2021 13:18:46 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Apr 7, 2021 13:18:46 GMT -5
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Post by alum on Apr 7, 2021 15:24:34 GMT -5
I'm going to try to return this thread to baseball. So, I was ready to quit on the season after the weekend. Sox were 0-3, outscored 18-5, and looking anemic. Now, 72 hours later, they are 3-3, Martinez has eleven runs batted in, a 1.4 OPS and the world has been righted.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 7, 2021 16:11:35 GMT -5
That is really out there from the 82 year old former MLB commissioner who has been out of office for 29 years!
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Post by HC92 on Apr 7, 2021 16:20:14 GMT -5
At 82, I’m sure Mr. Vincent still has a lot more life left on the intellectual fastball than most here:
He received a B.A. degree from Williams (class of 1960) with honors and a J.D. degree from Yale Law School (class of 1963).[4] He went on to become a partner in the Washington, D.C. law firm of Caplin & Drysdale. He also served as Associate Director of the Division of Corporation Finance of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Beginning in 1978 he became the chairman of Columbia Pictures, and senior vice president of Coca-Cola when it purchased Columbia in March 1982.[5] In April 1986 he was promoted to Executive Vice President.[6]
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Post by hchoops on Apr 7, 2021 16:55:40 GMT -5
Can we please return to Baseball 2021 ?
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Apr 7, 2021 17:03:44 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 7, 2021 17:03:44 GMT -5
Can we please return to Baseball 2021 ? Like it or not, the commissioner moving the All Star Game from one city to another is a big part of and topic for the early part of the season.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 7, 2021 17:19:21 GMT -5
There are arguments on both sides as to whether moving the All Star game is a good idea. I'm not going to get into those arguments. Fay Vincent's comparison to the the Duke case, however, is ridiculous. That case people jumping to conclusions of guilt before all the facts were known. This is not a criminal case. It is a statute, in black and white, that anyone can read (which I have) and come to their own conclusions about its merits. Some will think it's a good law, some will think it's odious. Manfred believes it is the latter.
How about those Red Sox?
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Apr 8, 2021 7:11:46 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 8, 2021 7:11:46 GMT -5
At 82, I’m sure Mr. Vincent still has a lot more life left on the intellectual fastball than most here: He received a B.A. degree from Williams (class of 1960) with honors and a J.D. degree from Yale Law School (class of 1963).[4] He went on to become a partner in the Washington, D.C. law firm of Caplin & Drysdale. He also served as Associate Director of the Division of Corporation Finance of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Beginning in 1978 he became the chairman of Columbia Pictures, and senior vice president of Coca-Cola when it purchased Columbia in March 1982.[5] In April 1986 he was promoted to Executive Vice President.[6] All before getting fired by the MLB owners for being terrible at his job!
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Post by Tom on Apr 8, 2021 7:34:11 GMT -5
At 82, I’m sure Mr. Vincent still has a lot more life left on the intellectual fastball than most here: He received a B.A. degree from Williams (class of 1960) with honors and a J.D. degree from Yale Law School (class of 1963).[4] He went on to become a partner in the Washington, D.C. law firm of Caplin & Drysdale. He also served as Associate Director of the Division of Corporation Finance of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Beginning in 1978 he became the chairman of Columbia Pictures, and senior vice president of Coca-Cola when it purchased Columbia in March 1982.[5] In April 1986 he was promoted to Executive Vice President.[6] All before getting fired by the MLB owners for being terrible at his job! That just seems silly since being terrible at the job is a job requirement. I think the last decent one they had was HC honorary degree recipient Ueberroth - and he resigned under fire
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Post by WCHC Sports on Apr 8, 2021 9:25:33 GMT -5
The extra inning rule? Still sucks!
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Post by hchoops on Apr 8, 2021 9:30:37 GMT -5
As does the 7 inning rule for double headers- even for separate admissions !
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 8, 2021 10:09:59 GMT -5
Get more and younger fans? Perhaps stop starting games so late that kids can't see the final innings. Imagine baseball played in sunshine regardless of the demands of sponsors. My friends and I would race home after school to see as much of each of our team's game as possible. Now the game is played after dark (for the most part) and may well go until after midnight. Put on the "post-game" show and you may end up in the sixth inning of a game still being played. Baseball 2021 is clearly not there game it once was. Perhaps that is why there are more kids in organized soccer than baseball. Baseball 2021 is in trouble as a sport (even with high profit margins for owners and huge salaries for players) because dollars and sponsors are far more important than fans. And, with kids being increasingly left out, I am afraid it may not be getting better any time soon.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 8, 2021 10:10:59 GMT -5
Can we please return to Baseball 2021 ? Thank you hoops. Every single thread gets ruined.
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Post by mm67 on Apr 9, 2021 9:07:35 GMT -5
Back to MLB. Interesting end to the Mets-Marlins game last night (4/8). Bottom of the ninth, one out, score tied, bases loaded, Conforto at bat with two strikes. He moves his elbow in over the plate as the pitch is thrown and gets barely grazed by a pitch on the inside of the plate. The plate umpire starts to call a strike then signals hit batter. Conforto moves to first. Met scores from third base. Game over. Mets win! Tremendous outcry. Mets announcers, Keith Hernandez & Ron Darling go ballistic complaining the umpire was wrong. They screamed that since Conforto clearly moved his elbow into the pitch he should have been called out. They continued that in any event Conforto should have been called out on a called third strike. They noted & the replay clearly showed Conforto moved his elbow over the plate. Also the ball was indeed a strike as the umpire originally called. Evidently if a batter is hit by a pitch over the plate the ball is a strike and a hit batter cannot be called. The only review of the play available was to decide if Conforto was hit by a pitch. Movement by a player into the path of a pitch is not subject to review. Balls & strikes are not subject to review. Umpire review showed Conforto was hit. Nothing else was reviewed as per MLB rule. The howling continued into the night on other NY sports outlets. At least the announcers weren't "homers" as happens in other cities. It was a fun night.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 9, 2021 9:11:56 GMT -5
Home plate Umpire Ron Kelpa admitted he was wrong
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