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Post by hcpride on Jun 20, 2021 7:17:49 GMT -5
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 20, 2021 18:13:53 GMT -5
How was it ill advised "vaccine passports?"
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 21, 2021 9:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 21, 2021 13:40:08 GMT -5
How was it ill advised "vaccine passports?" It wasn't ill advised from a public health standpoint, but it might have seated the vaccinated parents in left field and their seven year old unvaccinated child in right field so it could have caused disruption and probably lower ticket sales.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 21, 2021 13:48:00 GMT -5
A current joke in Moscow is the poison that Alexei Navalny received was actually the Sputnik vaccine.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 22, 2021 5:58:02 GMT -5
Biden is not going to reach his July 4th goal of vaccinating 70 percent of Americans ages 18 and older with at least one shot. Presently, the national percentage is 65 percent. States that have already achieved the July 4th goal.VT HI MA ^these three states are at 80+ percent CT NJ ME RI PA NM CA MD WA DC NY IL VA ^these states are already at 70 / 70+ percent Four states: MN, DE, CO, OR are at 69%. WI is at 65%. States that are presently at less than 55 percent of the goalSC GA ID AR WV TN AL v these states are below 50 percent WY LA MS www.npr.org/2021/06/21/1008634467/europe-watches-with-worry-as-delta-variant-spreads-fast-in-the-u-k-and-lisbon
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Post by hcpride on Jun 22, 2021 8:13:07 GMT -5
Biden is not going to reach his July 4th goal of vaccinating 70 percent of Americans ages 18 and older with at least one shot. Presently, the national percentage is 65 percent. I don't think the media is going to going to blame President Biden for not reaching the goal he set. He's done a solid job of continuing the vaccination program he inherited and there now seems to be plenty of vaccines here in the US for the taking. With the vulnerable folks at a high shot percentage, the general number of 65% vaccinated, and tens of millions with natural immunity we're essentially back to normal (with exceptions) and, IMHO, we can/will slowly continue to nibble at the edges of the reluctant groups. (Of course there will always be a fear - a very great fear in some quarters - of variants emerging from various corners of the world.)
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 22, 2021 10:02:21 GMT -5
American Airlines is cancelling flights because demand for flights has outstripped available employees. We're not going to keep Delta out. If the UK is at 99% Delta, why aren't flights frozen back and forth until we reach 70% vaccinated? I'm beginning to understand why I'm seeing sensible looking older adults who most likely are vaccinated (statistically) still wearing masks in stores. I'm not, but maybe they have the right idea. I don't like the pattern of the Virus mutating to ever more infectious strains to stay alive. It's like it has a brain.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 22, 2021 10:25:11 GMT -5
American Airlines is cancelling flights because demand for flights has outstripped available employees. We're not going to keep Delta out. If the UK is at 99% Delta, why aren't flights frozen back and forth until we reach 70% vaccinated? I'm beginning to understand why I'm seeing sensible looking older adults who most likely are vaccinated (statistically) still wearing masks in stores. I'm not, but maybe they have the right idea. I don't like the pattern of the Virus mutating to ever more infectious strains to stay alive. It's like it has a brain. Didn't every virus expert say the virus was going to continue to mutate? It is a coronavirus and one of the reasons we have never been able to cure other ones.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jun 22, 2021 10:59:58 GMT -5
Over time, viruses should in theory mutate to become less deadly (even if more infectious), correct?
Because a virus can't reproduce if it kills the host.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 22, 2021 11:46:24 GMT -5
Over time, viruses should in theory mutate to become less deadly (even if more infectious), correct? Because a virus can't reproduce if it kills the host. But the virus has killed many of its hosts. I am not a scientist but doesn't a virus constantly adapt to counter the host's efforts to get rid of it, and doesn't the virus sometimes accelerate it's efforts to be transmissible and deadly?
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 22, 2021 15:00:54 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge, viruses mutate as individuals develop resistance to drugs that are ineffective in neutralizing a virus. That is, when adulterated garbage drugs are used to combat a virus (see prior posts on this thread and the Honoring Dr. Fauci thread regarding the adulterated meds that Indian-based Ranbaxy Labs flooded the developing world with to combat HIV), individuals develop drug resistance. The fact that there is well documented research attesting to the presence of HIV strains within the sequence of this coronavirus is very interesting. That fact and the connections between Covid and HIV deserve full exploration. Follow the money. Ranbaxy, Gilead Sciences, Gates Foundation, WHO, USAID, Global Fund for AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, PEPFAR, UNITAID, FDA, NIH, NIAID, EcoHealth Alliance, Partners in Health, Harvard University, Columbia University Oh what a tangled web . . . As it reproduces in host cells, the virus continually mutates in a spontaneous, non-directed and purposeless fashion. This is why the more it continues to spread, the greater the diversity of mutations. Stop the spread and mutations cease. If a mutation randomly proves beneficial to the virus and helps it to spread, then that viral strain will do better, and is is selected for. If a mutation randomly confers some resistance to a drug that it is exposed to, then that strain will be selected for in people on that drug. The person does not develop resistance, but rather the virus itself. The best way to stop the development of new, possibly more worrisome mutations is to interrupt the virus spread and reproduction by getting the majority of the population vaccinated as quickly as possible. We are now starting to see new information from around the world that the "natural" immunity of past infection is not as good or long lasting as what we are observing from the mRNA vaccines.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 22, 2021 16:39:53 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge, viruses mutate as individuals develop resistance to drugs that are ineffective in neutralizing a virus. That is, when adulterated garbage drugs are used to combat a virus (see prior posts on this thread and the Honoring Dr. Fauci thread regarding the adulterated meds that Indian-based Ranbaxy Labs flooded the developing world with to combat HIV), individuals develop drug resistance. The fact that there is well documented research attesting to the presence of HIV strains within the sequence of this coronavirus is very interesting. That fact and the connections between Covid and HIV deserve full exploration. Follow the money. Ranbaxy, Gilead Sciences, Gates Foundation, WHO, USAID, Global Fund for AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, PEPFAR, UNITAID, FDA, NIH, NIAID, EcoHealth Alliance, Partners in Health, Harvard University, Columbia University Oh what a tangled web . . . As it reproduces in host cells, the virus continually mutates in a spontaneous, non-directed and purposeless fashion. This is why the more it continues to spread, the greater the diversity of mutations. Stop the spread and mutations cease. If a mutation randomly proves beneficial to the virus and helps it to spread, then that viral strain will do better, and is is selected for. If a mutation randomly confers some resistance to a drug that it is exposed to, then that strain will be selected for in people on that drug. The person does not develop resistance, but rather the virus itself. The best way to stop the development of new, possibly more worrisome mutations is to interrupt the virus spread and reproduction by getting the majority of the population vaccinated as quickly as possible. We are now starting to see new information from around the world that the "natural" immunity of past infection is not as good or long lasting as what we are observing from the mRNA vaccines. Thank you, doctor. The Wuhan strain, the reference variant whose genome was used to 'create' the mRNA vaccines has all but disappeared, overtaken and out-competed by other strains. There is a schematic of the evolutionary tree for Wuhan and several other major variants here. scitechdaily.com/tracing-covid-back-to-origin-many-variant-strains-were-already-present-before-the-first-known-cases-identified-in-china/The Institute for Genomics and Evolutionary Biology at Temple University is attempting to identify, by tracking mutations, where COVID originated, and is the source of the referenced schematic. Their calculations are based on COVID-19 being a relatively slow mutating coronavirus, about 25 mutations per genome per year. Most of the mutations are insignificant, however several have occurred which have made a variant more contagious, and/or more likely to result in serious illness / death. And the effect of mutations can be compounded. For example, if variant x is 25 percent more contagious than the Wuhan reference strain, variant y, which is directly derivative of variant x, may be 40 percent more infectious than x. For a recent article on the Institute's findings on the origin and evolution of COVID-19, see; academic.oup.com/mbe/advance-article/doi/10.1093/molbev/msab118/6257226[/iurl]^^Above my pay grade.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 22, 2021 16:40:58 GMT -5
For so many reasons I have such little trust in any of the above organizations. Why should anybody trust the FDA after what transpired with the opioid crisis? The FDA allowed if not facilitated that tragedy so big money interests could ring the register. This is not conjecture. Why should anybody trust the NIH, FDA and WHO after the crisis perpetrated by Ranbaxy with their knowledge and acquiescence? Why should anybody trust the Gates Foundation after what they perpetrated in India with the polio vaccine? None of this is conjecture. These are all factual and well documented. I’ll stick with my regimen of Vitamin C, D, zinc and quercetin and Ivermectin if/when need be. Perhaps in a few years when we have serious studies and reviews on the longer term efficacy and impact of these vaccines I will revisit. Why should anyone trust the Catholic Church anymore with their handling of the sex scandals?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 22, 2021 17:35:51 GMT -5
Only God is perfect
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Post by possum on Jun 23, 2021 4:50:43 GMT -5
Nobody's perfect, that's an interesting way to describe the role of the Catholic Church in the molestation of little boys. Their answer to the problem was sending these creeps for counseling to the House of Affirmation who's director was a pedophile himself. Once their so called therapy was completed the offenders were sent back into the community to abuse a new set of unsuspecting victims. The Vatican itself decided to call the ring leader Bernie Law back to Rome rather than turning him over to the authorities to face charges. Sounds more like a criminal enterprise to me.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 23, 2021 4:59:55 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2021 8:01:32 GMT -5
Data is several days old. Percent vaccinated, one dose / full, for residents ages 65 and overMS 76 / 67 WY 77 / 71 AL 78 / 67 LA 78 / 71 - - - - - - - MA 96 / 86 HI >99 / 83 VT >99 / 93 Even in states with low overall vaccination rates, the vaccination rates of those most at risk for severe COVID are really quite good. Polling has persistently shown that between 10 and 13 percent of the adult population refuse to be vaccinated. I don't believe the polling breaks out the percentage by age cohort. But perhaps senior citizens facing a potential serious health threat are not unlike the soldiers in foxholes who embrace God. ______________________ An example of cultural impetus propelling vaccinations. www.nytimes.com/2021/06/21/us/coronavirus-vaccines-texas-border.html?smid=em-share
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 23, 2021 13:38:09 GMT -5
For so many reasons I have such little trust in any of the above organizations. Why should anybody trust the FDA after what transpired with the opioid crisis? The FDA allowed if not facilitated that tragedy so big money interests could ring the register. This is not conjecture. Why should anybody trust the NIH, FDA and WHO after the crisis perpetrated by Ranbaxy with their knowledge and acquiescence? Why should anybody trust the Gates Foundation after what they perpetrated in India with the polio vaccine? None of this is conjecture. These are all factual and well documented. In fact, these transgressions merely begin to scratch the surface in regard to the conflicts of interest if not outright corruption within these organizations connected to efforts and pursuits such as the current undertaking. I’ll stick with my regimen of Vitamin C, D, zinc and quercetin and Ivermectin if/when need be. Perhaps in a few years when we have serious studies and reviews on the longer term efficacy and impact of these vaccines I will revisit. td, I have no idea what you are talking about with your innuendo and accusations. Our task is to learn from our experience and improve. That is what i see happening with our FDA, NIH and even the WHO. These organizations are indispensable, and the only effective way we have of addressing our common enemy, the virus.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2021 14:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2021 14:39:16 GMT -5
For those using, or considering use of, Ivermectin, the link below provides listings of contra-indications, adverse reactions, and drug interactions. www.pdr.net/drug-summary/Stromectol-ivermectin-391Some of the adverse reactions look pretty serious. This one, for instance,
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 23, 2021 15:34:09 GMT -5
For those using, or considering use of, Ivermectin, the link below provides listings of contra-indications, adverse reactions, and drug interactions. www.pdr.net/drug-summary/Stromectol-ivermectin-391Some of the adverse reactions look pretty serious. This one, for instance, Proud to say I understood half of those words. What's nice about the M(Messenger)RNA vaccine is it only teaches your body to do something if and when needed as I understand it, so that provides a simple logic that it is probably less toxic than many powerful drugs which go to work making changes in your body right away.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 23, 2021 15:38:18 GMT -5
If the Chinese vaccine allows transmission but reduces serious illness and death it's at least helping countries from becoming a huge morgue like the U.S. with 600,000+ deaths.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2021 15:51:31 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2021 16:04:06 GMT -5
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