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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 23, 2021 18:55:54 GMT -5
THANKS very much for publicizing this, phreek. It is a major pet peeve of mine that when reporting vaccine side effects that the news does not contain the corresponding risk from the COVID-19 disease itself. This has the effect of making the vaccine look risky to people, when in fact, it lowers risk tremendously. In this case:
511 incidents of myocarditis after 310,000,000 vaccine doses is an incidence of .00016%, far, far, far lower than the disease risk.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 23, 2021 19:51:22 GMT -5
THANKS very much for publicizing this, phreek. It is a major pet peeve of mine that when reporting vaccine side effects that the news does not contain the corresponding risk from the COVID-19 disease itself. This has the effect of making the vaccine look risky to people, when in fact, it lowers risk tremendously. In this case:
511 incidents of myocarditis after 310,000,000 vaccine doses is an incidence of .00016%, far, far, far lower than the disease risk.
Incidents of death from Covid: 600,000+ out of 331,000,000+ Americans is one death for every 555 people.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 23, 2021 19:51:52 GMT -5
THANKS very much for publicizing this, phreek. It is a major pet peeve of mine that when reporting vaccine side effects that the news does not contain the corresponding risk from the COVID-19 disease itself. This has the effect of making the vaccine look risky to people, when in fact, it lowers risk tremendously. In this case:
511 incidents of myocarditis after 310,000,000 vaccine doses is an incidence of .00016%, far, far, far lower than the disease risk.
Chu, and none of the B10 athletes was infected with the Delta variant. www.bostonglobe.com/2021/06/23/nation/charts-heres-how-worrisome-delta-variant-is-growing-us/www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1513
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 23, 2021 20:10:31 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised the Biden Administration or any other entity that has a national following or recognition, or a combination of entities didn't mount a huge upbeat national campaign to get to 70% by the nation's birthday, the Fourth of July and help bring the country together in the process. We need a win, not a meek acceptance we won't meet the goal.
There's still time to mount a spirited campaign to get it done by Labor Day. We have been hearing public figures urge people to get vaccinated but no big sense of urgency or hoopla. Need hoopla.
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Post by hcpride on Jun 24, 2021 6:12:02 GMT -5
/\ 70% of the nation’s total population fully vaccinated may be a bridge too far. Right now that particular number is about 45%. The U.S. is also on track for 70% of adults 27 and older to have received at least one shot by July 4, Zients said during Tuesday's COVID-19 response team briefing. More than 175 million Americans have received at least one shot, and more than 150 million Americans are fully vaccinated. And 87% of seniors have received at least one shot.www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-goal-july-4-biden-not-meet/
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jun 24, 2021 6:44:56 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised the Biden Administration or any other entity that has a national following or recognition, or a combination of entities didn't mount a huge upbeat national campaign to get to 70% by the nation's birthday, the Fourth of July and help bring the country together in the process. We need a win, not a meek acceptance we won't meet the goal. There's still time to mount a spirited campaign to get it done by Labor Day. We have been hearing public figures urge people to get vaccinated but no big sense of urgency or hoopla. Need hoopla. Actually that was the Biden Administration's campaign: celebrate freedom and freedom from the virus on July 4. The vaccination rates in some of the southern states reflect disinformation, ignorance, distrust of science, hatred of Biden, and many other things. At some point individuals, having been given mountains of information that the vaccination is safe and endless opportunities to get the shot, have to stand up and do it.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 24, 2021 7:10:49 GMT -5
There is also information that there are negative complications for some. That fact should not be ignored. There are several dozen cases of young people (teens) who suffered heart inflammation from the vaccine. The percentage of those effected is small, but it is there. That may be enough to prevent some from having their children vaccinated. It is not all about politics. In this area, Valley Hospital (1 of the 2 largest hospitals in North Jersey) has reduced the numbers of volunteers at vaccine clinics since the number of those receiving the vaccines has dropped so sharply. NJ is now at about 77% "fully" vaccinated..
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 24, 2021 7:15:19 GMT -5
As HCpride rightfully points out, the goal was to get 70 percent of adult Americans (ages 18+) with at least one dose by July 4th. They are likely to fall 2-3 percentage points short. The goal was set to allow Americans to celebrate a near normal 4th. Fair to say, nearly all the country will celebrate a near normal 4th.
Why individuals are not getting vaccinated at this point is complicated, and differs by region, by race, by economic status, by access to health services, by general attitudes about government and its leaders.
The J&J vaccine was seen as the vaccine to administer to rural populations, a one-shot vaccine, easy to store and transport. But there was a bump in vaccinating with J&J because of a vaccine safety pause. That pause led to many people losing 'trust' in that vaccine, and preferring either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine. Its not easy to deliver Pfizer to the boonies of Louisiana.
(Distribution of J&J is further complicated because tens of millions of doses being produced at the only U.S. manufacturing site were tossed because of possible cross contamination with the AstraZeneca vaccine at the plant.)
I expect the pace of vaccinations will accelerate by August, that's when the Delta variant will have taken hold in those states where a sizeable percentage of their population is unvaccinated.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 24, 2021 8:01:30 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised the Biden Administration or any other entity that has a national following or recognition, or a combination of entities didn't mount a huge upbeat national campaign to get to 70% by the nation's birthday, the Fourth of July and help bring the country together in the process. We need a win, not a meek acceptance we won't meet the goal. There's still time to mount a spirited campaign to get it done by Labor Day. We have been hearing public figures urge people to get vaccinated but no big sense of urgency or hoopla. Need hoopla. Actually that was the Biden Administration's campaign: celebrate freedom and freedom from the virus on July 4. The vaccination rates in some of the southern states reflect disinformation, ignorance, distrust of science, hatred of Biden, and many other things. At some point individuals, having been given mountains of information that the vaccination is safe and endless opportunities to get the shot, have to stand up and do it. I wonder how the Country Music Industry and NASCAR would respond if President Biden asked them to put together a spirited outreach campaign to the areas that have low vaccination rates but high Country Music and NASCAR favorability? That's an example of what I am thinking. Of course many people such as proponents of S-1 the "For the People" Act want President Biden to put more zip in his advocacy and the poor guy is 78 with many other responsibilities.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 24, 2021 8:10:16 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised the Biden Administration or any other entity that has a national following or recognition, or a combination of entities didn't mount a huge upbeat national campaign to get to 70% by the nation's birthday, the Fourth of July and help bring the country together in the process. We need a win, not a meek acceptance we won't meet the goal. There's still time to mount a spirited campaign to get it done by Labor Day. We have been hearing public figures urge people to get vaccinated but no big sense of urgency or hoopla. Need hoopla. Actually that was the Biden Administration's campaign: celebrate freedom and freedom from the virus on July 4. Imagine needing permission from the government to "celebrate freedom" on July 4th.
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Post by Tom on Jun 24, 2021 9:34:35 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised the Biden Administration or any other entity that has a national following or recognition, or a combination of entities didn't mount a huge upbeat national campaign to get to 70% by the nation's birthday, the Fourth of July and help bring the country together in the process. We need a win, not a meek acceptance we won't meet the goal. There's still time to mount a spirited campaign to get it done by Labor Day. We have been hearing public figures urge people to get vaccinated but no big sense of urgency or hoopla. Need hoopla. Actually that was the Biden Administration's campaign: celebrate freedom and freedom from the virus on July 4. The vaccination rates in some of the southern states reflect disinformation, ignorance, distrust of science, hatred of Biden, and many other things. At some point individuals, having been given mountains of information that the vaccination is safe and endless opportunities to get the shot, have to stand up and do it. Reasonable people can look at this differently and might even say the mountains of information is incomplete. My niece is not vaccinated and has had plenty of opportunity. She also happens to be pregnant. The vaccines are only about 7-8 months old and the earlier recipients were mostly too old to be having kids. She in consultation with her obstetrician has decided to wait until after the baby because there is not sufficient information about how the vaccine might affect the baby Prior to the Delta variant, a young girl in our office, once again after consultation with her physician has chosen not to get the vaccine fearing issues with potential future pregnancies. As someone in a low risk category, she made her decision because there is no information on longer term effects on this particular topic which is important to her. It is possible that as the Delta variant makes things worse for younger people she will change her mind. I have gotten the vaccine. However, I cannot dismiss everyone's reluctance to get a vaccine that still is not FDA approved as ignorance, distrust of science, hatred of Biden, etc. There are absolutely people out there not getting vaccinated for those reasons. There are also people who have weighed the facts (including areas where information is still incomplete) and have simply made a reasonable, informed choice that was different than mine
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 24, 2021 10:12:28 GMT -5
Along those lines, my wife (when working as a volunteer at a vax site) was confronted by a teen who came in with his. mother and After winning in, as he was being taken to get his shot, yelled at his mother. "I won't get this vaccine. It is my body and you can't make me." That was a real counseling "challenge" for her and the medical staff. Things like this do happen.
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Post by timholycross on Jun 24, 2021 10:13:25 GMT -5
There is also information that there are negative complications for some. That fact should not be ignored. There are several dozen cases of young people (teens) who suffered heart inflammation from the vaccine. The percentage of those effected is small, but it is there. That may be enough to prevent some from having their children vaccinated. It is not all about politics. In this area, Valley Hospital (1 of the 2 largest hospitals in North Jersey) has reduced the numbers of volunteers at vaccine clinics since the number of those receiving the vaccines has dropped so sharply. NJ is now at about 77% "fully" vaccinated.. It's a choice people should have to make for their children (or if the children are old enough, as this could impact early 20s adults as well); not be made for them.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 24, 2021 11:11:29 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 24, 2021 11:11:35 GMT -5
There is also information that there are negative complications for some. That fact should not be ignored. There are several dozen cases of young people (teens) who suffered heart inflammation from the vaccine. The percentage of those effected is small, but it is there. That may be enough to prevent some from having their children vaccinated. It is not all about politics. In this area, Valley Hospital (1 of the 2 largest hospitals in North Jersey) has reduced the numbers of volunteers at vaccine clinics since the number of those receiving the vaccines has dropped so sharply. NJ is now at about 77% "fully" vaccinated.. res, risk of the vaccine compared to what? It is a major pet peeve of mine that when reporting vaccine side effects that the news does not contain the corresponding risk from the COVID-19 disease itself. This has the effect of making the vaccine look risky to people, when in fact, it lowers risk tremendously. In this case: 511 incidents of myocarditis after 310,000,000 vaccine doses is an incidence of .00016%, far, far, far lower than the disease risk of myocarditis.
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 24, 2021 11:17:00 GMT -5
For those who have been interested in the use of ivermectin as a treatment for active COVID-19, there is new news. I have been a sceptic that this anti-parasite drug would do anything, but it looks like I have been wrong! Good news, and this is how science is supposed to work. Here is a link to the research article in the American Journal of Therapeutics: June 17, 2021 :
journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
From the article, this is a summary of the conclusions:
"Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally."
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Post by Tom on Jun 24, 2021 11:39:59 GMT -5
Interesting news from Mass General. We have heard that HC is requiring students to get vaccinated but not employees. I have questioned the legality of forcing current employees to get vaccinated when it hasn't been officially approved by the FDA. So here comes one employer saying they will force employees - but not until after something is approved
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 24, 2021 11:47:02 GMT -5
There is also information that there are negative complications for some. That fact should not be ignored. There are several dozen cases of young people (teens) who suffered heart inflammation from the vaccine. The percentage of those effected is small, but it is there. That may be enough to prevent some from having their children vaccinated. It is not all about politics. In this area, Valley Hospital (1 of the 2 largest hospitals in North Jersey) has reduced the numbers of volunteers at vaccine clinics since the number of those receiving the vaccines has dropped so sharply. NJ is now at about 77% "fully" vaccinated.. res, risk of the vaccine compared to what? It is a major pet peeve of mine that when reporting vaccine side effects that the news does not contain the corresponding risk from the COVID-19 disease itself. The risk would be vs not having the vaccine. That is the choice we were discussing. There are some parents who simply will not have their children vaccinated (lying if necessary to prevent it). This was a problem every year for my wife when she was active in school nursing.
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Post by alum on Jun 24, 2021 11:59:32 GMT -5
Actually that was the Biden Administration's campaign: celebrate freedom and freedom from the virus on July 4. Imagine needing permission from the government to "celebrate freedom" on July 4th. Imagine being a Jesuit educated adult who hasn't received a vaccine which will protect his own health and will help stop the spread of variants.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 24, 2021 12:30:27 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 24, 2021 12:42:52 GMT -5
Good stuff, phreek! The way I think about it, The American Journal of Therapeutics article just adds weight to the smaller, controlled studies, and helps to understand that this is not a fluke.
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Post by longsuffering on Jun 24, 2021 13:12:12 GMT -5
Actually that was the Biden Administration's campaign: celebrate freedom and freedom from the virus on July 4. Imagine needing permission from the government to "celebrate freedom" on July 4th. The government keeps us free. Imagine living in anarchy. Of course government at all levels can be improved.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 25, 2021 7:14:41 GMT -5
Wow...thanks for sharing this information. My wife, from her nursing background, has no issue with generic drugs. However, after reading this, I may have to do a lot more investigating before I check that box which asks "Can a generic drug b substituted for this prescription? :
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Post by Chu Chu on Jun 25, 2021 12:39:55 GMT -5
This is an excellent book, but, is it an expose' or another conspiracy theory? No, it is a story about an Indian pharma giant who actively cheated and defrauded, by sending crap drugs to Africa along with an FDA that was underfunded to do the police work of monitoring an overseas company. In the end, however, it was our FDA that put the company out of business after the whistleblower came forward. Whenever I hear complaints about bureaucracy and "job-killing regulations", I think of issues like this article. Bad regulations are out there, an reform must be ongoing, but most deal with life-saving supervision and oversight.
There will always be examples of corruption and wrongdoing, but most often, when brand name drugs patents' expire, I find that patients benefit by having that drug in generic form that is much less expensive and easier to get insurance to pay for.
We depend on our government to be the watchdog to prevent fraud, and most of the time it works. Because of regulations with generics, they are required to be therapeutically equivalent to the brand name drug. I trust our domestic FDA, and get my own meds in generic form. When we all do this, the expense of medical care goes down, and we should not forget that brand names can have their own issues as well.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jun 25, 2021 13:11:44 GMT -5
CWS game delayed today due to COVID
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