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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 27, 2021 18:18:21 GMT -5
I’ve been told, I look so much better with a mask on my face. Since it has improved my image, I will continue to wear one......
There are many, who I would state, the same comment would apply...... 🤣
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Post by timholycross on Jul 27, 2021 18:21:39 GMT -5
I’ve been told, I look so much better with a mask on my face. Since it has improved my image, I will continue to wear one......🤣 There are many, who I would state, the same comment would apply...... At least you're consistent, unlike the people telling us to do A, don't do A, then do A again.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 27, 2021 18:51:38 GMT -5
And are the 5000+ vaccinated Americans who have died from Covid just actors in the theater? Yes, fully vaccinated folks have died with Covid. The ‘experts’ and the media have repeatedly told us how extraordinarily rare that is. Is there any evidence that fully vaccinated folks are significant vectors in regards to this extraordinarily rare occurrence? Hence the reasonable questions on masking the fully vaccinated.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jul 27, 2021 19:05:19 GMT -5
I understand that some have the urge to channel their inner Rand Paul, but it's fatuous and vulgar to say that a vaccinated person who wishes to safeguard their health by wearing a mask is engaging in theater.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 27, 2021 19:58:02 GMT -5
And are the 5000+ vaccinated Americans who have died from Covid just actors in the theater? Absolutely not. But chances are 4,990 of the 5,000 got the virus as a result of someone who was unvaccinated. They may have even gotten it from someone who eas wearing a mask...
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 27, 2021 20:01:12 GMT -5
I understand that some have the urge to channel their inner Rand Paul, but it's fatuous and vulgar to say that a vaccinated person who wishes to safeguard their health by wearing a mask is engaging in theater. Its a waste of time. 100% of the focus needs to be on getting the unvaccinated VACCINATED. Not in forcing the vaccinated to engage in pointless masks wearing. However, I will never criticize anyone for wearing a mask. Thats their own personal health decision and their right. Those who feel more comfortable wearing a mask should continue to do so.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jul 27, 2021 20:04:24 GMT -5
And what makes you qualified to opine that?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 27, 2021 20:10:29 GMT -5
Attempting to debate why people should protect their own health, with overwhelming evidence that we are still in a crisis, is clearly “Théatre of the Absurd”. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_of_the_Absurd“The plays focus largely on ideas of existentialism and express what happens when human existence lacks meaning or purpose and communication breaks down. The structure of the plays is typically a round shape, with the finishing point the same as the starting point. Logical construction and argument give way to irrational and illogical speech and to the ultimate conclusion—silence.[1]” “The characters in Absurdist drama are lost and floating in an incomprehensible universe and they abandon rational devices and discursive thought because these approaches are inadequate.[114] Many characters appear as automatons stuck in routines speaking only in cliché (Ionesco called the Old Man and Old Woman in The Chairs "übermarionettes").[115][116] Characters are frequently stereotypical, archetypal, or flat character types as in Commedia dell'arte.[117][118][119]” For those who cavalierly put aside the health precautions that logically should be taken, the ultimate conclusion is not only silence, but end of life.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 27, 2021 20:32:37 GMT -5
And what makes you qualified to opine that? Not sure if this was directed towards my post but if so, why would I need qualifications to opine that those who want to keep wearing masks should be able to do so? Or stating the blindingly obvious fact that the way to stop the spread of this virus is through shots in arms, not masks on vaccinated faces. AP estimates that only about 150 of 18,000 COVID deaths in May were fully vaccinated people, or about 0.8% of the deaths. Given that the unvaccinated are hundreds of times more likely to spread the virus than the unvaccinated, I could opine that a mere handful of US deaths in May were a result of being spread FROM the vaccinated. It's very clear that the vaccine is highly effective and that after 18 months of mask-wearing, the cloth face coverings (and the dumb average American who won't wear them properly) are no match for COVID.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 27, 2021 21:20:20 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that those who are coming to the US via the southern border are getting vaccinated (or were vaccinated)?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 27, 2021 22:02:34 GMT -5
Not wearing a mask, and wondering why you got sick during virus transmission season (Flu, Covid, N1H1, etc), is equivalent to asking why you have progeny......You did not use protection....
So many are as Thick as a Brick....
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 27, 2021 22:45:22 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that those who are coming to the US via the southern border are getting vaccinated (or were vaccinated)? Is there any evidence the people coming from Europe are getting vaccinated or are? Why not play that game worldwide?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 28, 2021 5:57:33 GMT -5
Not wearing a mask, and wondering why you got sick during virus transmission season (Flu, Covid, N1H1, etc), is equivalent to asking why you have progeny......You did not use protection.... So many are as Thick as a Brick.... Replace "Not wearing a mask" with "Not getting a vaccine that's proven to be safe and effective" and you're spot on. Masks (combined with distancing) were our best line of defense against COVID for over a year. Unfortunately, however, the masks appear to have done very little to derail the spread of the virus if you look at the numbers. Meanwhile, the vaccine is creating an entire portion of the population that are now experiencing extremely low death and hospitalization numbers compared to the unvaccinated. And because people tend to live around people with the same beliefs, the unvaccinated tend to live in clusters. What's ironic is that the states and counties with the highest % of vaccinated will probably institute mask mandates and the states and counties experiencing outbreaks won't. I definitely believe that those who chose not to vaccinated (yet) should continue to wear a mask in public, given the presence of the Delta variant.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 28, 2021 6:08:29 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that those who are coming to the US via the southern border are getting vaccinated (or were vaccinated)? Both Texas and California are busing Mexicans across the border to be vaccinated, and busing them back across the border. Both Texas and California have Federal approval to use their state vaccine allocations to do this. The reason for doing this is not entirely altruistic, these Mexicans live in border communities where factories are producing goods intended for delivery in the United States, and are essential to the overall U.S. economy.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 28, 2021 6:19:14 GMT -5
This article seems to "nail it" regarding vaccinations/masks/communications (and lack thereof). I'm fully vaccinated as is my entire family excluding our 2 young grandchildren who will be vaccinated as soon as they qualify which can't come soon enough. It boggles my mind that people who are eligible won't get vaccinated when they have been proven safe and historically effective and when there are millions (billions?) of people around the globe who are desperate to get the vaccine.
While living in a state that is relatively safe, we still wear our masks whenever we go inside a store and the few times we've eaten in a restaurant it is outside dining (with wait staff wearing masks) or, more frequently, take out. Yes, I'm still concerned about catching Covid (being diabetic) though I know statistically I'm probably OK, but I wear one because I've always been a "belt & suspenders" guy (insurance career maybe has had a bearing on that) but more importantly, I also don't want to be the person responsible for me possibly giving this deadly disease to someone else if I have gotten it as being inoculated, I don't test since getting my shots.
For those not inoculated and not wearing masks, for me, those people are misinformed; think they can't catch it; or simply trying to make a political statement which might end up being a fatal mistake for themselves and/or others.
Here's the article:
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 28, 2021 7:04:04 GMT -5
HC had a second positive test yesterday. Like the first positive last week, this is a staff person testing positive. No student positives since mid-May. HC is not publicly providing information on the vaccination status of these two individuals.
Statewide, higher-ed performed about 44,000 tests last week, with 46 positives; the positive test rate is 0.1 percent. Higher-ed institutions in MA have done nearly 8.2 million tests over the past year. ---------------------------------------- As I understored it, HC's basic protocol for the fall semester is this.
1.) All students must be vaccinated, unless they are granted an exemption. (Nearly 95 percent are vaccinated.) 2.) All faculty and staff must be vaccinated, unless granted an exemption. Those previously infected with COVID must get vaccinated. 3.) International students unable to get vaccinated in their country of residence will be tested and quarantined on arrival, and will be vaccinated in the U.S. 4.) All students, vaccinated or not, will be tested after arriving at HC, and tested at least once weekly thereafter. By late September, once baselines are established, the testing will be less frequent. (If the baseline indicates more frequent testing is required, then testing will be increased.) 5.) Students testing positive will be isolated. Close contacts will not be quarantined. 6.) No restrictions on visitors with regard to vaccination status. 7.) No requirement to wear masks or socially distance. Masks are required in several health-related locations.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 28, 2021 7:10:15 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Jul 28, 2021 7:40:25 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that those who are coming to the US via the southern border are getting vaccinated (or were vaccinated)? Both Texas and California are busing Mexicans across the border to be vaccinated, and busing them back across the border. Both Texas and California have Federal approval to use their state vaccine allocations to do this. The reason for doing this is not entirely altruistic, these Mexicans live in border communities where factories are producing goods intended for delivery in the United States, and are essential to the overall U.S. economy. We're referring to two different groups here. Those who go back and forth, great, appropriate and necessary for the government(s) to do that. Those who cross, get dispersed all over the country, and don't seem to be getting tested, vaccinated; not so great. Or the government is not doing a very good job telling the public that these folks are deemed healthy and able to move around w/o endangering others. Always a possibility in this fake news era we live in.
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Post by Tom on Jul 28, 2021 7:40:44 GMT -5
Sounds like the kind of thing you could easily require of new employees but might get messy trying to terminate existing employees over the refusal. How about an athlete? Should the college require that all team members regardless of merit or need base status, or full pay be required to have completed the vaccination protocols? Even if they have already had Covid and recovered? Will they have antibodies to Delta and possible new variations to Covid 19? Difficult decisions to be made over the next couple of weeks when health assessments are being made for the fall and winter rosters. Let’s hope there is logic to be followed regarding compliance as not to disrupt team performance. I think they've been there for a long time. I was under the impression the school said months ago that all students on campus had to be vaccinated. Status as scholarship athlete or non-scholarship athlete - or even non athlete at all is irrelevant.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 28, 2021 7:47:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't remember anything saying an athlete had any choice in the matter; and it's less likely an athlete has a health condition that prevents him/her from getting the shot.
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Post by Tom on Jul 28, 2021 7:55:51 GMT -5
On a more HC focused note - Now that HC has changed its policy and is requiring all employees to be vaccinated, what are the odds that athletics will institute a policy that only vaccinated people can enter Hart? I'm not thinking about whether they should require them - that's a different question. It doesn't seem like a huge jump to me from requiring employees be vaccinated to requiring fans be vaccinated.
The way things are going lately, it is also possible that the policy will change 3 times between now and the start of indoor sports
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Post by hcpride on Jul 28, 2021 7:56:41 GMT -5
There is a concern in some quarters that the new CDC recommendations for masking the fully vaccinated (in all k-12 schools and various indoor spaces) directly undercuts messaging on the efficacy of the vaccine.
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Post by hcpride on Jul 28, 2021 7:59:51 GMT -5
On a more HC focused note - Now that HC has changed its policy and is requiring all employees to be vaccinated, what are the odds that athletics will institute a policy that only vaccinated people can enter Hart? I'm not thinking about whether they should require them - that's a different question. It doesn't seem like a huge jump to me from requiring employees be vaccinated to requiring fans be vaccinated. The way things are going lately, it is also possible that the policy will change 3 times between now and the start of indoor sports They may go back to a full mask up in buildings (classes, etc) regardless of vaccine status. (The recent CDC recommendation on the full k-12 building mask-ups - regardless of vaccine status - is along those lines.) One hopes the ridiculous outdoor fan ban does not return.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 28, 2021 8:03:49 GMT -5
Both Texas and California are busing Mexicans across the border to be vaccinated, and busing them back across the border. Both Texas and California have Federal approval to use their state vaccine allocations to do this. The reason for doing this is not entirely altruistic, these Mexicans live in border communities where factories are producing goods intended for delivery in the United States, and are essential to the overall U.S. economy. We're referring to two different groups here. Those who go back and forth, great, appropriate and necessary for the government(s) to do that. Those who cross, get dispersed all over the country, and don't seem to be getting tested, vaccinated; not so great. Or the government is not doing a very good job telling the public that these folks are deemed healthy and able to move around w/o endangering others. Always a possibility in this fake news era we live in. They are tested. 30 percent have refused to be vaccinated. www.axios.com/ice-immigrants-covid-vaccine-ee9406fe-7d83-4dce-b5be-c158e0d39f81.htmlThe government can't forcibly vaccinate the 'refuseniks', at least under an emergency use authorization for the vaccines. That might change with a full authorization. Nate Silver, for one, has urged the FDA to expedite the full authorization process. Perhaps the FDA's deliberate pace is associated with the EUA's not covering all age groups, and with no assessment and documentation of any long-term health effects associated with the vaccines (because the vaccination effort is only seven months old).
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 28, 2021 9:18:02 GMT -5
There is a concern in some quarters that the new CDC recommendations for masking the fully vaccinated (in all k-12 schools and various indoor spaces) directly undercuts messaging on the efficacy of the vaccine. It will absolutely discourage the hesitant from getting vaccinated. The "You get to take off your mask if you get vaccinated" carrot can no longer be dangled. The anti-vax crowd that's already hesitant about getting the vaccine isn't going to get it if the perceived rewards for getting it are no longer there. It's insane that both mask-wearing and receiving a vaccine that could not only save your life but the lives of others are at this point wholly politicized. In NY, you have people that continue to wear masks OUTDOORS simply because they don't want to "look like Trump supporters". It's all about looking woke to them. And in pockets of the deep South, you have people who had no issues getting vaccines their whole life, refusing to get this one.
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