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Post by hcpride on Jan 10, 2022 7:33:09 GMT -5
AOC has Covid with symptoms after her mask-less vacation to Florida. No one is safe. Double vaxxed and boostered was not sufficient protection from Covid infection. Assuming everybody now knows that. Can’t really blame her for ditching NYC (her home district) and its rules and partying down in Florida. Kinda refreshing she was so open about it. She’s young and healthy so (even without the double vax and booster) not at significant risk of ICU or death. Not expecting to hear any talk in the press regarding her theoretical transmission to more vulnerable folks.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 10, 2022 7:37:28 GMT -5
AOC has Covid with symptoms after her mask-less vacation to Florida. No one is safe. Everyone is getting it...be safe out there. You’re exactly right. Perhaps it’s time to lift the lockdowns and mandates and allow individuals and businesses decide what is best for themselves.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 11, 2022 18:47:29 GMT -5
Refreshing resistance to damaging Covid-alarmism from Dartmouth: Dartmouth College said it detected at least 192 new Covid-19 cases on Monday, raising its seven-day total to 851 — a new record — as the school struggles to contain the highly contagious Omicron variant.
The single-day tally comes after the college reported 566 cases in the first week of 2022.
Unlike peer institutions such as Yale and Cornell, Dartmouth did not delay the start of its winter quarter at its campus in Hanover, New Hampshire, nor switch to online learning for the first weeks of school. Instead, the college shuttered its special quarantine housing, requesting that Covid-19-positive students isolate themselves in their dorm rooms even if they have roommates.
“We’re not going back to the way we did things last year,” interim Provost David Kotz told The Dartmouth, the college’s student newspaper.
Despite the surge, the college resumed most sit-down dining Monday.vtdigger.org/2022/01/11/dartmouth-experiences-covid-19-surge-amid-reduced-restrictions/amp/
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 11, 2022 19:09:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd blithely use the word "refreshing" about a story announcing that 13% of Dartmouth's student body got infected in a week.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 11, 2022 19:47:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd blithely use the word "refreshing" about a story announcing that 13% of Dartmouth's student body got infected in a week. Probably many more infections 😱(it is, after all, flu season and Omicron spreads rapidly). Dartmouth is avoiding the damaging restrictions and student isolation in the context of the Covid-alarmism we saw on so many campuses last year. Saving lives. A breath of fresh, if somewhat rarified, air from at least one Ivy institution. Dartmouth College student suicides force reflection on pandemic policies www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/06/06/dartmouth-college-student-suicides/
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 11, 2022 20:01:04 GMT -5
My favorite graph again, with data through Jan 10,2022. Infections in Greater Boston are plummeting like a rock. As noted, this daily sampling of sewage water produces values independent of the number of tests administered, or the testing rate, or whether home tests are reported. www.necn.com/news/coronavirus/boston-covid-wastewater-update/2650712/
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Post by hcpride on Jan 12, 2022 8:35:49 GMT -5
/\ You have a favorite graph? 😊 I’d expect the Omicron variant to quickly spread within a major city, run out of hosts (most of whom hit at-home tests or don’t bother testing), and die down quickly (natural immunity forestalling Omicron reinfection). The graph may be reflecting that. (Notwithstanding face coverings, vaccines, etc.) On another front (hospitalizations in NY): In New York, about 61% of Covid-19 hospitalizations during the week ending January 2, 2022 were among people who were not fully vaccinated, according to data from the state health department. amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html
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Post by alum on Jan 12, 2022 8:49:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd blithely use the word "refreshing" about a story announcing that 13% of Dartmouth's student body got infected in a week. Probably many more infections 😱(it is, after all, flu season and Omicron spreads rapidly). Dartmouth is avoiding the damaging restrictions and student isolation in the context of the Covid-alarmism we saw on so many campuses last year. Saving lives. A breath of fresh, if somewhat rarified, air from at least one Ivy institution. Dartmouth College student suicides force reflection on pandemic policies www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/06/06/dartmouth-college-student-suicides/Are you willing to admit that different rules ought to apply this year as opposed to last year because: 1. This variant is less virulent? 2. A large portion of the country is vaccinated---including college students and those who are most at risk? 3. We now have, or are about to have, effective outpatient antiviral medication? 4. We know more than we did a year ago? In other words, what was the right thing to do a year ago might not be the right thing to do today.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 12, 2022 8:59:49 GMT -5
Agreed. I think schools at all levels should remain open if at all possible.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 12, 2022 9:03:10 GMT -5
Probably many more infections 😱(it is, after all, flu season and Omicron spreads rapidly). Dartmouth is avoiding the damaging restrictions and student isolation in the context of the Covid-alarmism we saw on so many campuses last year. Saving lives. A breath of fresh, if somewhat rarified, air from at least one Ivy institution. Dartmouth College student suicides force reflection on pandemic policies www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2021/06/06/dartmouth-college-student-suicides/Are you willing to admit that different rules ought to apply this year as opposed to last year because: 1. This variant is less virulent? 2. A large portion of the country is vaccinated---including college students and those who are most at risk? 3. We now have, or are about to have, effective outpatient antiviral medication? 4. We know more than we did a year ago? In other words, what was the right thing to do a year ago might not be the right thing to do today. No doubt the ‘not at risk’ college kids from two years ago were still ‘not at risk’ college kids last year and are still ‘not at risk’ college kids this year. If that is your point regarding the damaging restrictions and the ‘not at risk’ college students. Certainly what was wrong in the context of mistreating college kids two years ago was wrong last year and is still wrong right now. (I’ve noticed an odd reluctance to acknowledge the mistreatment of the college kids and resultant harm to mental health, academic growth, etc. 'Erring on the safe side' was not erring on the safe side in the context of harmful student restrictions and damaging isolation…and many unheeded voices continuously pointed that out. To be fair, some of the mainstream press has begun to cover it. And, here and there (in this week's Dartmouth reaction to skyrocketing Covid infections amongst their kids) we do see refreshing honesty and genuine learning from the colleges themselves. Interestingly, it was June of last year that Dartmouth publicly acknowledged they had created a problem far greater than the Covid risk to their 'not at risk' kids: Dartmouth College student suicides force reflection on pandemic policies )
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 12, 2022 10:09:13 GMT -5
"Mistreatment of college kids?" Really? The bar has really been lowered for that word, I guess. This is hardly waterboarding (which, if you recall, was not considered "torture" by a certain segment of our government).
Certainly this is a subject worthy of discussion and people of good faith can have an honest disagreement but "mistreatment" of students seems a bridge too far.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 12, 2022 10:24:24 GMT -5
"Mistreatment of college kids?" Really? The bar has really been lowered for that word, I guess. This is hardly waterboarding (which, if you recall, was not considered "torture" by a certain segment of our government). Certainly this is a subject worthy of discussion and people of good faith can have an honest disagreement but "mistreatment" of students seems a bridge too far. LOL. Not all mistreatment is precisely the same. Having visited the Bagram holding facility, I can assure you. Coaches have been described as ‘mistreated’ by many on this board. Hope you objected to that 😊 I’ve noticed a real reluctance in some quarters to acknowledge the damage done to the ‘not at risk’ college students as a result of Covid restrictions. (It’s not Hiroshima so hopefully the word ‘damage’ is not upsetting in this context.) Dartmouth College student suicides force reflection on pandemic policies
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 12, 2022 10:56:04 GMT -5
So happy that I brought a smile to your face. 😊
Did not see that anyone used the term “mistreated” about our coaches (presumably Nelson) or I would have said the same thing.
I will concede that one can be mistreated by omission as well as commission but I don’t see that students were mistreated, using the term in its broadest sense, while colleges have taken various steps to prevent individual and group spread of Covid.
I have already said that there can be for some students emotional, psychological and other non-visible negative impacts due to isolation caused by decisions made to avoid Covid spread but that is an unintended and ancillary side effect that is immeasurable and seen as the lesser of evils.
Certainly one can disagree with those decisions but it’s hardly mistreatment.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 12, 2022 12:27:11 GMT -5
"You have a favorite graph?" brought a smile to my face.🙂
I wasn't so much reluctant to acknowledge the unique suffering of college students as much as I was putting them in the same category as most of us until I was educated more by these stats on Crossports. We forget that many of us have an extra half century of perspective to cope with Covid restrictions.
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Post by beachbound on Jan 12, 2022 13:28:42 GMT -5
"Mistreatment of college kids?" Really? The bar has really been lowered for that word, I guess. This is hardly waterboarding (which, if you recall, was not considered "torture" by a certain segment of our government). Certainly this is a subject worthy of discussion and people of good faith can have an honest disagreement but "mistreatment" of students seems a bridge too far. 1. Waterboarding is the minimum threshold for mistreatment? Isolation, remote learning, cancelling the majority kids of life experiences (i.e. plays, school concerts, proms, sporting events, etc) that we all have taken for granted, while not torture, is still mistreatment. 2. You can certainly believe 1) that school administrators and public health officials acted in good faith, 2) college kids and younger kids were mistreated by these mitigation protocols and 3) be a person of "good faith".
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 12, 2022 13:58:25 GMT -5
"Mistreatment of college kids?" Really? The bar has really been lowered for that word, I guess. This is hardly waterboarding (which, if you recall, was not considered "torture" by a certain segment of our government). Certainly this is a subject worthy of discussion and people of good faith can have an honest disagreement but "mistreatment" of students seems a bridge too far. 1. Waterboarding is the minimum threshold for mistreatment? Isolation, remote learning, cancelling the majority kids of life experiences (i.e. plays, school concerts, proms, sporting events, etc) that we all have taken for granted, while not torture, is still mistreatment. 2. You can certainly believe 1) that school administrators and public health officials acted in good faith, 2) college kids and younger kids were mistreated by these mitigation protocols and 3) be a person of "good faith".
Tough to second guess these administrators though when the pandemic is still on going on year 3 now...
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Post by matunuck on Jan 12, 2022 15:18:49 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Jan 13, 2022 6:05:27 GMT -5
/\ Well, it’s certainly reassuring to hear from a well-known expert that this readily transmissible respiratory virus is going to do precisely what a readily transmissible respiratory virus does.
Perhaps Covid-alarmism has itself crested🤔.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 13, 2022 12:03:17 GMT -5
Bloomberg reporting on the NEJM article linked below. Bolding mine. www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2117995____________________ First extensive U.S. study demonstrating that Omicron causes much less severe diseases than Delta or other earlier variants.www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1^^^ To summarize, in-patient admissions of Omicron infected patients were 0.5% of those initially seen at a health care portal with symptomatic COVID (235 of 52,937), compared to1.3 percent of Delta-infected patients (222 of 16,982). Of the hospital-admitted patients, seven of those infected with Omicron were admitted to the ICU compared to 23 of those infected with Delta. Of the admitted patients, one patient with Omicron died, compared to 14 patients with Delta. Regrettably, this study did not examine the vaccination status of the admitted patients. I do not think including that datapoint would have been difficult when developing the study design. ___________________________ Blue line is the count from the sewage stream flowing from communities north and west of the Deer Island wastewater treatment plant in Boston Harbor. Red line is the count from communities south of the plant. Through January 11. www.bostonglobe.com/2022/01/12/nation/coronavirus-levels-boston-area-waste-water-are-falling/The use of the verb plummet in my Jan 11 post on analyzing sewage to gauge the number of infected individuals in a community, and also in the above Boston Globe article published on Jan 12, demonstrates but one thing: the Boston Globe now reads Crossports for COVID information.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 14, 2022 6:50:01 GMT -5
In the nine days between Jan 4th and 13th, 73 HC staff have tested positive. 47 students have tested positive over the same time period.
The only staff and students being tested are those who are on-campus over semester break. The numbers for both are probably around 500, So its quite likely that 25 percent or more of the staff have tested positive, which ought to result in a significant disruption in the level of services provided.
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Post by HC92 on Jan 14, 2022 7:32:54 GMT -5
In the nine days between Jan 4th and 13th, 73 HC staff have tested positive. 47 students have tested positive over the same time period. The only staff and students being tested are those who are on-campus over semester break. The numbers for both are probably around 500, So its quite likely that 25 percent or more of the staff have tested positive, which ought to result in a significant disruption in the level of services provided. As HC reports these results, do you know if the same staff member (or student) ever gets tested multiple times and thus gets counted more than once if they are positive multiple times?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 14, 2022 8:31:03 GMT -5
In the nine days between Jan 4th and 13th, 73 HC staff have tested positive. 47 students have tested positive over the same time period. The only staff and students being tested are those who are on-campus over semester break. The numbers for both are probably around 500, So its quite likely that 25 percent or more of the staff have tested positive, which ought to result in a significant disruption in the level of services provided. As HC reports these results, do you know if the same staff member (or student) ever gets tested multiple times and thus gets counted more than once if they are positive multiple times? The basic protocol was for students to be tested twice a week, on Mondays and Wednesdays. Staff were generally to be tested on Fridays. The test is self-administered, and the test swabs deposited in a drop box in Hogan. The contents of the drop box are sent by courier to the Broad Institute in Cambridge for analysis, with results within 24 hours, often much sooner. Fully vaccinated staff (who are 96 percent of the staff) were to be tested once a week. Non vaccinated staff were to be tested twice a week on non-consecutive days. These tests are PCR tests, so there is no routine multiple testing as one might do with antigen tests. An exception would be when Broad, to speed up the analysis, is batch-testing 100 swabs at once. If a positive test was detected in the batch, then the 100 individuals whose swabs were part of the batch would be re-tested, with each swab analyzed separately to identify the person(s) with the positive test in the batch. I suspect Broad is not batch testing HC at this time because of low testing volumes and the high number of positives. I don't believe HC routinely re-tests an asymptomatic individual at the end of the isolation/quarantine period. However, that is not to say that an athlete, for example, might be re-tested more frequently to expedite a return to the active roster. There was a day last weekend when only one individual was tested, which may have been a test to expedite such a return. There is no double or triple counting of serial positive tests of the same individual. I suspect this is also true for non-serial positive tests. If someone tested positive in August 2021, and again in January, 2022, the individual is counted as a single positive case in the HC tally sheet..
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 14, 2022 12:53:59 GMT -5
As HC reports these results, do you know if the same staff member (or student) ever gets tested multiple times and thus gets counted more than once if they are positive multiple times? The basic protocol was for students to be tested twice a week, on Mondays and Wednesdays. Staff were generally to be tested on Fridays. The test is self-administered, and the test swabs deposited in a drop box in Hogan. The contents of the drop box are sent by courier to the Broad Institute in Cambridge for analysis, with results within 24 hours, often much sooner. Fully vaccinated staff (who are 96 percent of the staff) were to be tested once a week. Non vaccinated staff were to be tested twice a week on non-consecutive days. These tests are PCR tests, so there is no routine multiple testing as one might do with antigen tests. An exception would be when Broad, to speed up the analysis, is batch-testing 100 swabs at once. If a positive test was detected in the batch, then the 100 individuals whose swabs were part of the batch would be re-tested, with each swab analyzed separately to identify the person(s) with the positive test in the batch. I suspect Broad is not batch testing HC at this time because of low testing volumes and the high number of positives. I don't believe HC routinely re-tests an asymptomatic individual at the end of the isolation/quarantine period. However, that is not to say that an athlete, for example, might be re-tested more frequently to expedite a return to the active roster. There was a day last weekend when only one individual was tested, which may have been a test to expedite such a return. There is no double or triple counting of serial positive tests of the same individual. I suspect this is also true for non-serial positive tests. If someone tested positive in August 2021, and again in January, 2022, the individual is counted as a single positive case in the HC tally sheet.. Any hint of the range of symptoms of the positive testers? We would have heard of deaths but are the symptoms generally as light as a cold? Would we know of any staff or student hospitalizations? I'm getting word of vaccinated friends with cold like symptoms but no hospitalizations. The vaccines seem to be working.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 14, 2022 13:49:31 GMT -5
The basic protocol was for students to be tested twice a week, on Mondays and Wednesdays. Staff were generally to be tested on Fridays. The test is self-administered, and the test swabs deposited in a drop box in Hogan. The contents of the drop box are sent by courier to the Broad Institute in Cambridge for analysis, with results within 24 hours, often much sooner. Fully vaccinated staff (who are 96 percent of the staff) were to be tested once a week. Non vaccinated staff were to be tested twice a week on non-consecutive days. These tests are PCR tests, so there is no routine multiple testing as one might do with antigen tests. An exception would be when Broad, to speed up the analysis, is batch-testing 100 swabs at once. If a positive test was detected in the batch, then the 100 individuals whose swabs were part of the batch would be re-tested, with each swab analyzed separately to identify the person(s) with the positive test in the batch. I suspect Broad is not batch testing HC at this time because of low testing volumes and the high number of positives. I don't believe HC routinely re-tests an asymptomatic individual at the end of the isolation/quarantine period. However, that is not to say that an athlete, for example, might be re-tested more frequently to expedite a return to the active roster. There was a day last weekend when only one individual was tested, which may have been a test to expedite such a return. There is no double or triple counting of serial positive tests of the same individual. I suspect this is also true for non-serial positive tests. If someone tested positive in August 2021, and again in January, 2022, the individual is counted as a single positive case in the HC tally sheet.. Any hint of the range of symptoms of the positive testers? We would have heard of deaths but are the symptoms generally as light as a cold? Would we know of any staff or student hospitalizations? I'm getting word of vaccinated friends with cold like symptoms but no hospitalizations. The vaccines seem to be working. Not really. I have heard descriptions, with respect to students, that those who were symptomatic had mild symptoms. Nada with respect to staff, some/many of whom likely have co-morbidities putting them at risk of an infection requiring clinical intervention, as an out-patient or in-patient. Staff infections during Alpha > Delta were low. Less than 100 between Sept 2020, and Christmas 2021. Massachusetts hospital admissions by age, Dec 26-Jan 8. Admissions are per 100,000 of cohort population. Given the admission dates, all / nearly all of these should be Omicron. ages 0-11 / 17.8 ages 12-17 / 8.6 ages 18-19 / 18.4 ages 20-29 / 33.5 ages 60-69 / 97.4
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 14, 2022 13:54:32 GMT -5
Thanks.
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