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Post by longsuffering on Jul 25, 2022 8:08:21 GMT -5
I think its because there's a difference between athletics-based aid and need-based aid. Ivy basketball rosters are often 18-20 deep and I'm sure a good portion get need-based full rides or close to it. And its not like they're banned from the NCAA Tournament. Roster size limit makes a difference; the PL is limited to 5 'cut able players'... for program footprint control? athletically the service academy teams are similar to the Ivies; very selective schools that provide very generous nonathletic financial aid. but with rosters of more than 100, all cut able, their rosters are more dynamic, subject to their own internal program footprint control If a player is cut able he is quit able as well. 120 man rosters can be like herding cats without great organization and motivation. The Ivies have their challenges and advantages and scholarship schools have theirs. The coach who pulls the levers available to him the best wins. |
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Post by football44 on Jul 25, 2022 9:31:07 GMT -5
Yes-check my first sentence--the Crowleys are no doubt paying for the son to attend Harvard I read your first sentence. I was really addressing your comments about the Ivies and the NIL program. |
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 2, 2022 11:58:25 GMT -5
Not HC, but I see Colgate has a game at Colorado in 2027
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 2, 2022 14:36:26 GMT -5
I assume Colgate liked having a championship football program, likes having a championship basketball program and is one PL school that can be counted on to do whatever they can to lift themselves and the league competitively at least in these two major sports.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 2, 2022 18:39:47 GMT -5
When comparing the HYPs and HC (and the PL), best not overlook the Academic Index.
For the class of 2025 at HC, eight percent of the entering class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. 5.8 percent had a composite SAT score of 800 or below. 0.9 percent had a composite SAT score below 600. For Colgate, 0.0 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below, 6.8 percent had a composite score below 1200. For Yale, 0.5 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite score below 1200.
I do not why students with scores in that low range would even submit such scores to a school that is standardized test optional. International students take the TOEFL test, not the SAT, so I doubt these are international students. So who is left?
Athletes? The NCAA Clearinghouse requires standardized test scores, although I am not sure how that was applied for high school graduating classes in 2020 and 2021.
It would be very difficult for a student-athlete to be admitted as a recruited athlete to any PL school if he/she had a composite SAT score of <1,000 because of the AI floor for the Patriot League, which is an AI score of 168 or below.
I'll put aside the benefit to HC from an AI standpoint of having eight percent of the class of 2025 with such low SAT scores. (It lowers the within one standard deviation calculation.)
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 2, 2022 18:50:19 GMT -5
When comparing the HYPs and HC (and the PL), best not overlook the Academic Index. For the class of 2025 at HC, eight percent of the entering class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. 5.8 percent had a composite SAT score of 800 or below. 0.9 percent had a composite SAT score below 600. For Colgate, 0.0 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below, 6.8 percent had a composite score below 1200. For Yale, 0.5 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite score below 1200. I do not why students with scores in that low range would even submit such scores to a school that is standardized test optional. International students take the TOEFL test, not the SAT, so I doubt these are international students. So who is left? Athletes? The NCAA Clearinghouse requires standardized test scores, although I am not sure how that was applied for high school graduating classes in 2020 and 2021. It would be very difficult for a student-athlete to be admitted as a recruited athlete to any PL school if he/she had a composite SAT score of <1,000 because of the AI floor for the Patriot League, which is an AI score of 168 or below. I'll put aside the benefit to HC from an AI standpoint of having eight percent of the class of 2025 with such low SAT scores. (It lowers the within one standard deviation calculation.) We read anecdotal reports on Crossports that HYP football coaches can get their recruits in and get them so much money they have the equivalent of more full athletic schollies than HC. Your facts indicate HYP can't get recruits in who are not academically elite and HC can get recruits in academically that HYP coaches can't. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 2, 2022 19:16:49 GMT -5
When comparing the HYPs and HC (and the PL), best not overlook the Academic Index. For the class of 2025 at HC, eight percent of the entering class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. 5.8 percent had a composite SAT score of 800 or below. 0.9 percent had a composite SAT score below 600. For Colgate, 0.0 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below, 6.8 percent had a composite score below 1200. For Yale, 0.5 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite score below 1200. I do not why students with scores in that low range would even submit such scores to a school that is standardized test optional. International students take the TOEFL test, not the SAT, so I doubt these are international students. So who is left? Athletes? The NCAA Clearinghouse requires standardized test scores, although I am not sure how that was applied for high school graduating classes in 2020 and 2021. It would be very difficult for a student-athlete to be admitted as a recruited athlete to any PL school if he/she had a composite SAT score of <1,000 because of the AI floor for the Patriot League, which is an AI score of 168 or below. I'll put aside the benefit to HC from an AI standpoint of having eight percent of the class of 2025 with such low SAT scores. (It lowers the within one standard deviation calculation.) For clarity: is it 8% of the entering class or 8% of those members of the entering class who submitted SAT’s? Doesn’t the NCAA require athletes to submit SAT’s? |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 2, 2022 19:23:42 GMT -5
When comparing the HYPs and HC (and the PL), best not overlook the Academic Index. For the class of 2025 at HC, eight percent of the entering class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. 5.8 percent had a composite SAT score of 800 or below. 0.9 percent had a composite SAT score below 600. For Colgate, 0.0 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below, 6.8 percent had a composite score below 1200. For Yale, 0.5 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite score below 1200. I do not why students with scores in that low range would even submit such scores to a school that is standardized test optional. International students take the TOEFL test, not the SAT, so I doubt these are international students. So who is left? Athletes? The NCAA Clearinghouse requires standardized test scores, although I am not sure how that was applied for high school graduating classes in 2020 and 2021. It would be very difficult for a student-athlete to be admitted as a recruited athlete to any PL school if he/she had a composite SAT score of <1,000 because of the AI floor for the Patriot League, which is an AI score of 168 or below. I'll put aside the benefit to HC from an AI standpoint of having eight percent of the class of 2025 with such low SAT scores. (It lowers the within one standard deviation calculation.) We read anecdotal reports on Crossports that HYP football coaches can get their recruits in and get them so much money they have the equivalent of more full athletic schollies than HC. Your facts indicate HYP can't get recruits in who are not academically elite and HC can get recruits in academically that HYP coaches can't. The one standard deviation rule is that the average AI score for all recruited athletes must be within one standard deviation of the AI score for all incoming freshmen of the previous year. The average school-wide AI score for HYP is estimated to be around 120-122. One standard deviation is guesstimated to be an AI score of 206-209. Several years ago, I tried guesstimating the average school-wide AI for HC and came up with 203-204,and the one standard deviation would be between 190-192. Of the PL football schools, Georgetown has the highest school-wide AI, followed by Colgate. It would be extremely difficult, very likely impossible, for a recruited athlete for any IL school to be admitted with an SAT composite score of <1000. That is not to say that recruited athletes for HC class of 2025 are included in the 60+ 25+ students who are matriculating with SAT composite scores of <1000. There very well could be zero recruited athletes with such low scores. But after several months of navel-gazing, I still have no friggin' idea how HC came to enroll 60+ 25+ students with such low SAT scores. .I even entertained the thought of bribery and legacies, or data entry errors during COVID. |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 2, 2022 19:29:11 GMT -5
When comparing the HYPs and HC (and the PL), best not overlook the Academic Index. For the class of 2025 at HC, eight percent of the entering class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. 5.8 percent had a composite SAT score of 800 or below. 0.9 percent had a composite SAT score below 600. For Colgate, 0.0 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below, 6.8 percent had a composite score below 1200. For Yale, 0.5 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite score below 1200. I do not why students with scores in that low range would even submit such scores to a school that is standardized test optional. International students take the TOEFL test, not the SAT, so I doubt these are international students. So who is left? Athletes? The NCAA Clearinghouse requires standardized test scores, although I am not sure how that was applied for high school graduating classes in 2020 and 2021. It would be very difficult for a student-athlete to be admitted as a recruited athlete to any PL school if he/she had a composite SAT score of <1,000 because of the AI floor for the Patriot League, which is an AI score of 168 or below. I'll put aside the benefit to HC from an AI standpoint of having eight percent of the class of 2025 with such low SAT scores. (It lowers the within one standard deviation calculation.) For clarity: is it 8% of the entering class or 8% of those members of the entering class who submitted SAT’s? Doesn’t the NCAA require athletes to submit SAT’s? 40 percent of the entering class submitted SAT scores. 19 percent submitted ACT scores. (Thank you for raising the point, as I need to correct a data value in a post I made) ---------------------- Re; The clearinghouse. See: www.ncaa.org/news/2021/4/14/divisions-i-and-ii-extend-covid-19-initial-eligibility-policies.aspx |
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Post by Chu Chu on Aug 3, 2022 11:28:56 GMT -5
When comparing the HYPs and HC (and the PL), best not overlook the Academic Index. For the class of 2025 at HC, eight percent of the entering class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. 5.8 percent had a composite SAT score of 800 or below. 0.9 percent had a composite SAT score below 600. For Colgate, 0.0 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below, 6.8 percent had a composite score below 1200. For Yale, 0.5 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite score below 1200. I do not why students with scores in that low range would even submit such scores to a school that is standardized test optional. International students take the TOEFL test, not the SAT, so I doubt these are international students. So who is left? Athletes? The NCAA Clearinghouse requires standardized test scores, although I am not sure how that was applied for high school graduating classes in 2020 and 2021. It would be very difficult for a student-athlete to be admitted as a recruited athlete to any PL school if he/she had a composite SAT score of <1,000 because of the AI floor for the Patriot League, which is an AI score of 168 or below. I'll put aside the benefit to HC from an AI standpoint of having eight percent of the class of 2025 with such low SAT scores. (It lowers the within one standard deviation calculation.) |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 3, 2022 14:24:36 GMT -5
When comparing the HYPs and HC (and the PL), best not overlook the Academic Index. For the class of 2025 at HC, eight percent of the entering class had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below. 5.8 percent had a composite SAT score of 800 or below. 0.9 percent had a composite SAT score below 600. For Colgate, 0.0 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite SAT score of 1,000 or below, 6.8 percent had a composite score below 1200. For Yale, 0.5 percent of the class of 2025 had a composite score below 1200. I do not why students with scores in that low range would even submit such scores to a school that is standardized test optional. International students take the TOEFL test, not the SAT, so I doubt these are international students. So who is left? Athletes? The NCAA Clearinghouse requires standardized test scores, although I am not sure how that was applied for high school graduating classes in 2020 and 2021. It would be very difficult for a student-athlete to be admitted as a recruited athlete to any PL school if he/she had a composite SAT score of <1,000 because of the AI floor for the Patriot League, which is an AI score of 168 or below. I'll put aside the benefit to HC from an AI standpoint of having eight percent of the class of 2025 with such low SAT scores. (It lowers the within one standard deviation calculation.) The class of 2025 is quite anomalous. The class of 2023 had 0.0 percent of the entering class with composite SAT scores below 1,000. 11.5 percent of that class had composite scores between 1000 and 1200; 88/5 percent were higher. 44 percent submitted their SAT scores. Furthermore, the anomalous nature for the class of 2025 is underscored by the high percentage of enrolling students from Massachusetts, and a lower percentage of non-Whites, compared to other recent classes. One gets a score of 400 for signing your name; There were three students with composite scores between 400 and 599, and 16 students with SAT composite scores between 600 and 799. With test optional admissions, why even submit scores this low? The math section of the SAT always has 58 questions. To receive a score of 200, --signing your name -- you would need to get every math question wrong, or not answer every question The 'verbal' section has 96 questions, total. The score above 200 is based on the number of correct answers. There are no deductions for wrong answers. |
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 3, 2022 14:30:49 GMT -5
I really don't know how QuestBridge works, but is it possible it opens doors for otherwise high achieving students who have lower SAT scores?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 3, 2022 14:48:25 GMT -5
I really don't know how QuestBridge works, but is it possible it opens doors for otherwise high achieving students who have lower SAT scores? Possible, but IIRC, HC had not signed on to Questbridge for the class of 2025. Most of the institutions that are members of Questbridge are more selective than HC. E.g., in MA, Amherst, Williams, Tufts, BC, BU, MIT, Wellesley. Suggests to me that the students in Questbridge are well-qualified.. For Wellesley, which I believe was in Questbridge for the class of 2025, no student with a composite SAT below 1000, three percent between 1000 and 1199. 37 percent submitting SAT scores. |
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 4, 2022 15:40:55 GMT -5
With the low student to professor ratio, if you attend HC and try you should graduate. Can't get rid of admissions guidelines but a student who needs extra help has an advantage at HC over Mega U.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 26, 2022 4:46:06 GMT -5
If we continue to be as good as we’ve been, I doubt many Ivies will be looking to schedule games with us. Harvard and Yale are reportedly locked in for a bit. We shall see. Need to beat both of them this year. Harvard wasn't locked as they just picked up UNH unhwildcats.com/news/2022/8/25/UNHHarvardFB.aspx |
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 26, 2022 7:30:37 GMT -5
"Best of the CAA?"
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Post by hcgrad94 on Aug 26, 2022 17:14:47 GMT -5
Wasn’t UNH 3-8 last year? Asking for a friend.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 26, 2022 17:49:41 GMT -5
I really don't know how QuestBridge works, but is it possible it opens doors for otherwise high achieving students who have lower SAT scores? Questbridge is a program that provides schools a pool of pre-qualified low income and first generation kids with an SAT > 1260 and household incomes < $65,000. If a student selects Holy Cross as a "match" school (one they would attend), upon acceptance the College offers a full four year scholarship as a form of binding early decision with 100% yield. There are 48 schools participating in Questbridge, 47 are private schools (Virginia is the only public university participating). Among Patriot League schools, Colgate and Holy Cross are members of Questbridge. Among the US News Top 25, 20 are members, but Harvard, Georgetown, UC-Berkeley, UCLA, and Michigan are not. Schools that do not use Questbridge have declined because 1) they do not offer binding admission, 2) they already have enough of a pool of first-generation applicants as to make the needs for the service redundant, or 3) they can't offer a guaranteed four year financial aid deal. |
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Post by timholycross on Aug 26, 2022 18:36:34 GMT -5
Wasn’t UNH 3-8 last year? Asking for a friend. Happy Harvard finally showing some competitive spirit by scheduling a CAA school. Too many Pioneer and MEAC opponents the past few years. No idea if, when or where HC fits in. The only non leaguers showing up on Harvard's schedule are the St. Thomas game and the home-and-home in 24 and 26 w/UNH. |
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Post by HC92 on Aug 26, 2022 19:58:52 GMT -5
Wasn’t UNH 3-8 last year? Asking for a friend. Happy Harvard finally showing some competitive spirit by scheduling a CAA school. Too many Pioneer and MEAC opponents the past few years. No idea if, when or where HC fits in. The only non leaguers showing up on Harvard's schedule are the St. Thomas game and the home-and-home in 24 and 26 w/UNH. For what it’s worth, our original press release when the Harvard deal was announced in 2014 said that we would play every year until 2025. Couldn’t blame them for seeking weaker opponents if they do decide not to play us as much and schedule teams like UNH. |
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 26, 2022 20:11:55 GMT -5
Wasn’t UNH 3-8 last year? Asking for a friend. Happy Harvard finally showing some competitive spirit by scheduling a CAA school. Too many Pioneer and MEAC opponents the past few years. No idea if, when or where HC fits in. The only non leaguers showing up on Harvard's schedule are the St. Thomas game and the home-and-home in 24 and 26 w/UNH. The Tommies vs the Johnnies. The series that had to be made. Both schools began football in the 1800s. |
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 26, 2022 21:49:23 GMT -5
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Post by Crucis#1 on Aug 26, 2022 21:57:56 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 26, 2022 23:11:54 GMT -5
Neat. Who presents the Holy Grail trophy, Monty Python or Jay-Z? |
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 27, 2022 9:24:05 GMT -5
I don't see any tv/streaming coverage listed for the HC at Lafayette or the HC at Georgetown games. Will there be coverage?
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