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Post by Ignutz on Nov 7, 2016 6:58:24 GMT -5
One word, two syllables, no brainer: Duffner.
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Post by rickii on Nov 7, 2016 12:43:13 GMT -5
Because the head coach at BC will be one of only two applicants, the second will be the head coach at Lafayette. Scoff all you want, but the HC job should be very attractive ....no, it's not 1981 anymore, but they're aren't too many head football coaching jobs at the D1 level that can offer what the Holy Cross job does: high quality kids to coach, facilities, compensation, schedule etc etc....there really aren't many FCS jobs around that top what the Holy Cross job can offer in toto imo. How would you answer a candidate who, very early in an interview, asks about the AI ?
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Post by joe on Nov 7, 2016 12:47:52 GMT -5
Scoff all you want, but the HC job should be very attractive ....no, it's not 1981 anymore, but they're aren't too many head football coaching jobs at the D1 level that can offer what the Holy Cross job does: high quality kids to coach, facilities, compensation, schedule etc etc....there really aren't many FCS jobs around that top what the Holy Cross job can offer in toto imo. How would you answer a candidate who, very early in an interview, asks about the AI ? Ask someone at Lehigh how they answer that.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 7, 2016 12:50:31 GMT -5
Scoff all you want, but the HC job should be very attractive ....no, it's not 1981 anymore, but they're aren't too many head football coaching jobs at the D1 level that can offer what the Holy Cross job does: high quality kids to coach, facilities, compensation, schedule etc etc....there really aren't many FCS jobs around that top what the Holy Cross job can offer in toto imo. How would you answer a candidate who, very early in an interview, asks about the AI ? I'd say: because of the academic requirements of this college you'll have a smaller pool of players to pursue, but you'll be on an even playing field with the other members of the conference.
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Post by Jim on Nov 7, 2016 13:57:25 GMT -5
How would you answer a candidate who, very early in an interview, asks about the AI ? I'd say: because of the academic requirements of this college you'll have a smaller pool of players to pursue, but you'll be on an even playing field with the other members of the conference. In principle, yes, but I have heard the claim made, though, as recently as the 2016 basketball coaches night event (in casual conversation among fans), that there have been recruits that CTG was unable to get in through Holy Cross Admissions, but ended up playing elsewhere in the Patriot League.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 7, 2016 14:17:35 GMT -5
The claim's been made often. If it's true and there's no flip side to it (HC has a player or players that LC/LU/CU/BU/GU/FU didn't admit) it should be addressed once and for all.
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Post by Jim on Nov 7, 2016 14:52:30 GMT -5
Sounds fair.
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Post by Xmassader on Nov 7, 2016 20:06:48 GMT -5
Tim. IIRC, the claim has been made by CTG himself indicating that in his first 11 yrs., PL rules would have permitted him to recruit 2-3 "low/low" AI band players per year but that the Admissions Office had accepted 2-3 players total in that period. Some of those "low/low" band players were admitted to other PL schools, played against us and graduated. It is my understanding that, since ADNP's arrival, this disparity between HC and the other PL schools has lessened or been eliminated.
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Post by sonsofspitler on Nov 7, 2016 23:07:05 GMT -5
Those who are eagerly anticipating a new coach next year are in for a disappointment...
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Post by hc87 on Nov 7, 2016 23:25:18 GMT -5
Those who have eagerly anticipated a HC football program worth following have mostly been disappointed for the last 25 years.
Gilmore may well be retained....we sink farther and farther from relevance, alumni/local interest etc the longah he is at the helm....
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Post by joe on Nov 8, 2016 8:23:51 GMT -5
Those who are eagerly anticipating a new coach next year are in for a disappointment... Is this your opinion or based on real info. Substantiate please.
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Post by matunuck on Nov 8, 2016 9:31:24 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 8, 2016 12:43:30 GMT -5
Tim. IIRC, the claim has been made by CTG himself indicating that in his first 11 yrs., PL rules would have permitted him to recruit 2-3 "low/low" AI band players per year but that the Admissions Office had accepted 2-3 players total in that period. Some of those "low/low" band players were admitted to other PL schools, played against us and graduated. It is my understanding that, since ADNP's arrival, this disparity between HC and the other PL schools has lessened or been eliminated. Generally speaking, there is one low-low band recruit, perhaps two. The bands are as follows: High band within one standard deviation of the school's overall AI. (68 percent of students are within one standard deviation.) Medium band between one and two standard deviations. (95 percent of students are within two standard deviations.) Low band, between two and two and a half deviations. (99.7 percent of students are within two and a half standard deviations) Low low band, between two and a half standard deviations and the floor (Floor is AI of 168 in the PL.) If HC admitted a class of 600 students, about two would be below the low-low band. It would be possible that if HC's overall AI is so low, that there is compression between the lower bands and the floor. That is, the more than two and a half standard deviations would be below the AI floor, in effect, wiping out the low low band. IMO, that would be a painful concession on HC's part.
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Post by Xmassader on Nov 8, 2016 23:57:17 GMT -5
PP I appreciate the details. While the "band" characterization in my message may not be precisely correct, the core point (that, in past years, HC was accepting a far smaller % of the lower band players than many of its PL rivals) reflects the actual status from '04 to '14 and/or the football staff's perception. I am inclined to believe it is both. In any case, I believe that the disparity, if any, has decreased or been eliminated since ADNP's arrival.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 9, 2016 6:52:01 GMT -5
PP I appreciate the details. While the "band" characterization in my message may not be precisely correct, the core point (that, in past years, HC was accepting a far smaller % of the lower band players than many of its PL rivals) reflects the actual status from '04 to '14 and/or the football staff's perception. I am inclined to believe it is both. In any case, I believe that the disparity, if any, has decreased or been eliminated since ADNP's arrival. The PL's application of the AI is, paraphrasing, a mystery wrapped in an enigma. The Ivy's application of an AI is simply a mystery. Applying the Ivy's AI methodology to the PL: for football, the average AI of all recruited football players must fall within one standard deviation of the AI for the school. If the Holy Cross' AI for the school was 200, and one standard deviation was 187, the football team's average AI would need to achieve at least 187, Ideally, for recruiting purposes, you would like to have several recruits with AIs of 210 or 215, because their score would offset the recruit with an AI of 179. In the Ivy's, the AI of all recruited athletes must be within one standard deviation of the school's AI. Looking at Harvard specifically, former basketball coach Sullivan was told all his recruits had to have AI scores within one standard deviation. Supposedly, with Coach Amaker, this was relaxed, and Amaker could recruit players with an AI below one standard deviation. Admissions and the Athletic Dept would use recruits in other sports with high AI scores to offset. Amaker would also have one or two recruits destined for prolonged 'pine time', but who very likely had very high AI scores. CTG's complaints may be legitimate -- and one would never know unless one could examine how a recruit with an AI of 170 fit with the football recruiting profiles of HC and other PL schools -- or they may simply be sour grapes. E.g., HC Admissions used the high AI score of a field hockey recruit to offset the low AI score of a basketball recruit, rather than a football recruit. My sense is that the A! average for all recruited athletes being within one standard deviation is the higher norm. ________________________ Edited to add. I'll speculate and say a/the reason for the four bands in football (the PL has bands for basketball also) is to preclude schools from stocking the football team with less intellectually gifted students, and offsetting that, for AI purposes, with members of women's squash, golf, fencing, etc. who have more robust academic credentials and much higher AI scores.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 12, 2016 16:33:40 GMT -5
Is Nate Pine at the game? He should go over and ask the Fordham athletic director to shorten the game to 3/4. The team has simply quit on Coach Gilmore.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 12, 2016 18:34:54 GMT -5
Interesting that both announcers said it was clear that the team kept playing until the very end today and throughout the season. Today was ugly for many reasons, but I do not believe the team quit on CTG or any of the coaches. That us (1) an easy excuse for a poor game and (2) an attempt to give greater validity to the need for a coaching change. HC may well need new coaches, but IMO it is not because the teams "quit" on them.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 12, 2016 19:16:12 GMT -5
Interesting that both announcers said it was clear that the team kept playing until the very end today and throughout the season. Today was ugly for many reasons, but I do not believe the team quit on CTG or any of the coaches. That us (1) an easy excuse for a poor game and (2) an attempt to give greater validity to the need for a coaching change. HC may well need new coaches, but IMO it is not because the teams "quit" on them. TG is going to get fired because he's a very poor in-game coach, he's 31-48 over the last 7 seasons and we haven't been able to run the football consistently or play defense for 13 years. The performance today after all the work NP and his staff put in to make this a great event for HC is just the icing on the cake.
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Post by HCFC45 on Nov 12, 2016 19:21:39 GMT -5
Interesting that both announcers said it was clear that the team kept playing until the very end today and throughout the season. Today was ugly for many reasons, but I do not believe the team quit on CTG or any of the coaches. That us (1) an easy excuse for a poor game and (2) an attempt to give greater validity to the need for a coaching change. HC may well need new coaches, but IMO it is not because the teams "quit" on them. TG is going to get fired because he's a very poor in-game coach, he's 31-48 over the last 7 seasons and we haven't been able to run the football consistently or play defense for 13 years. The performance today after all the work NP and his staff put in to make this a great event for HC is just the icing on the cake. Agree 100%
Time for a change!!!
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Post by wstruz71 on Nov 12, 2016 19:48:48 GMT -5
I went through the spreadsheet. Yes, there are some nonsense majors, but I was also surprised to see various engineering majors listed. I always thought playing college sports and majoring in engineering was considered "suicide." There are a lot of labs with engineering courses, and they normally meet in the late afternoon. Plus, the non lab courses are very mathematical. A player certainly can't be an idiot If he can play big time football and major in engineering at the same time.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 13, 2016 8:40:41 GMT -5
Sometimes a change is needed (and best) for BOTH parties; I have a feeling that might be the case here. I doubt CTG is feeling too much job satisfaction these days.
You may call me a dreamer, but I still see no reason why this program can't be a perennial PL contender, and with a consistent level of success draw 10-13K fans a game. I also think the current talent level may be a bit better than the results are displaying. A shakeup might really jumpstart things.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 13, 2016 10:53:02 GMT -5
Sometimes a change is needed (and best) for BOTH parties; I have a feeling that might be the case here. I doubt CTG is feeling too much job satisfaction these days. You may call me a dreamer, but I still see no reason why this program can't be a perennial PL contender, and with a consistent level of success draw 10-13K fans a game. I also think the current talent level may be a bit better than the results are displaying. A shakeup might really jumpstart things. Dave-- In just a few sentences you have cut to what I think is the heart of the matter. I think we have some real talent on the team--it's more the game plans (oh how sick I am of 4 yard passes to the sideline) and coaching than the talent in my very inexpert opinion. There's no reason we cannot contend as we have an even playing field and will soon have advantages with our new facilities.
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Post by joe on Nov 13, 2016 11:00:39 GMT -5
We have talent but not enough size and speed. Just replay the game and give it the "eye test." Sorry but if we're going to improve we can't keep B.S.ing. Our current team and coaches would have been 7-4, 8-3ish back in 2008 or 2009 for our usual 2nd or 3rd place in the league but the players in the PL have gotten bigger and faster. With roster limits every recruiting decision must be 100% spot on. We used to just stockpile aid-based athletes Ivy-style and let the cream rise up and things would work out plus or minus. I don't see that our recruiting strategy has reflected the requisite adaptations to a new scholarship era. Perhaps this is owing to a lack of previous scholarship recruiting experience by current staff from the top down? To me it seems the talent has improved slightly but not tremendously, whereas 'gate, FU, and Lehigh seem to be landing more studs.
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 13, 2016 11:05:10 GMT -5
I thinks its more than talent... it's toughness too... you need to recruited it and coach it... I recall a high touted running back who under one coach was not effective because he bounced everything to the outside and would try to use his speed to beat the pursuit to the outside where he could turn up field, it worked for him in high school when he was the fastest guy on the field but not in college... the next coach taught him how to run off tackle that's when he became successful in college.
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Post by joe on Nov 13, 2016 11:06:13 GMT -5
Hard to teach toughness to an offense that passes on 3rd and 2.
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