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Post by hc6774 on Nov 13, 2016 11:10:26 GMT -5
I thinks its more than talent... it's toughness too... you need to recruited it and coach it... I recall a high touted running back who under one coach was not effective because he bounced everything to the outside and would try to use his speed to beat the pursuit to the outside where he could turn up field before going out of bounds, it worked for him in high school when he was the fastest guy on the field but not in college... the next coach taught/made him run off tackle, that's when he became successful in college. |
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Post by hc6774 on Nov 13, 2016 11:12:25 GMT -5
Hard to teach toughness to an offense that passes on 3rd and 2. do you think it can be taught? |
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Post by joe on Nov 13, 2016 11:21:23 GMT -5
Great question. I think every guy on the team is tough enough already. I also think Gilmore is a tough guy by nature. This is what puzzles me. He seems like he's a coach whose nature is more amenable to lining up in the Power-I and physically and mentally punishing other teams, and doing whatever the equivalent would be on defensive. This run and shoot thing has gotten old, and because it relies too heavily on timing and finesse it becomes hard even for tough players to "play tough," on offense anyway. Defensively I don't have a clue other than we're totally undersized across the board. I don't care what the program says. Just look.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 13, 2016 11:33:32 GMT -5
Joe, I disagree. I have seen a couple of guys in our secondary that repeatedly appear to shy away from contact. I don't mean just "playing off" the receiver, as that appears to be by design so as not to get beat (which hasn't worked), but appearing to avoid tackling the receiver once the ball is caught. Our DBs are terrible at one-on-one tackling.
On your larger point, I totally agree that a guy like Tom Gilmore would strike you as one to want to play "smash-mouth" football. I do know of one player, who would have been on the team this season who gave us a verbal and was the large, tough RB that so many of us have been begging for. At the last minute, we lost him to a school-that-shall-not-be-named but is located in Chestnut Hill, they essentially "stole" him.
I can only conclude that the offensive style is designed around the players that we are able to get recruited rather than the other way around.
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Post by gks on Nov 13, 2016 12:11:20 GMT -5
A change of coach is needed...no doubt about it.
But think of this...Peter Vaas struggled here...Dan Allen won at BU, came here and I guess he forgot to coach. Tom Gimore great success as an assistant at Dartmouth and Lehigh, forgot how to coach here too. There's more to it than just him.
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Post by hc811215 on Nov 14, 2016 9:26:14 GMT -5
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein
It doesn't take Einstein to see that it is well past time for a change. He has achieved consistently poor results for seven years. We have squandered great marketing opportunities by having his teams playing especially poorly on big occasions; e.g., the two night games at home and Saturday's Fordham/Yankee Stadium game. I don't want to see him at the helm for BC. Let's wish him well and move on.
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Post by HC92 on Nov 14, 2016 9:59:35 GMT -5
NP silent on Twitter since the game. The calm before the storm? Maybe the buyout isn't as cheap or as simple as some hoped or suspected.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 14, 2016 11:19:55 GMT -5
NP silent on Twitter since the game. The calm before the storm? Maybe the buyout isn't as cheap or as simple as some hoped or suspected. Is he traveling with the hoops team to Syracuse ? May wait until he returns to HC and meets with Gilmore |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 14, 2016 11:32:17 GMT -5
NP silent on Twitter since the game. The calm before the storm? Maybe the buyout isn't as cheap or as simple as some hoped or suspected. What was he supposed to say? "Proud of the fight our student athletes put up in blowout losses in FB and BB" ? |
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 14, 2016 11:45:15 GMT -5
How about "Congratulations to our VB team on their wins in the final two games of the season."?  |
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 14, 2016 14:29:20 GMT -5
I hope you all won't be too crushed if Nate decides to give TG another year.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 14, 2016 14:40:23 GMT -5
Compelling to me is what we have coming back next year. Not as much talent as this year. Not unlike what basketball faces next year.
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Post by hc80 on Nov 14, 2016 15:17:37 GMT -5
Sader1970, I will be extremely disappointed - and will most likely forego season tickets and the normal donation -- ADNP won't notice my dollars or the four tickets, but as the esteemed HC8112 noted earlier, retaining CTG will be insanity. Expecting that after 13 years and only 1 title (and not even being in the conversation as a contender most years!) that anything will change is simply delusional .... Game management, OL coaches leaving mid-season, defensive lapses leading to huge yards after catches....we can enumerate even more deficiencies if needed. Will I hop on the bandwagon if he is retained and we field a competitive team, absolutely. But, until then, as long as CTG is in charge, I'm done -- the student-athletes on the team deserve better and frankly, we do as well. And I would wager, that if given truth serum, very few are excited about playing for CTG
Yankee Stadium was awesome! Getting on the subway and seeing all sorts of HC purple regalia was just tremendous! We need a coach who can take this to a different level than we see today....does anyone really think that CTG is that guy? Make the change!!! It is way overdue!!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 14, 2016 15:20:13 GMT -5
Compelling to me is what we have coming back next year. Not as much talent as this year. Not unlike what basketball faces next year. Basketball will be in fine shape, 70. |
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Post by hc87 on Nov 14, 2016 16:05:02 GMT -5
Not quite as easy as a job as it looked huh, Nate?
I think HC is actually one of the more difficult D1 AD jobs in the country....for a myriad of reasons but one in particular is trying to keep an evah aging alumni-base happy/engaged with such low-performing football/basketball programs (vis a vis where they both where a generation or two ago anyway). Maybe he's just waiting for all us old fogies to leave this mortal coil.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 14, 2016 16:13:31 GMT -5
Not quite as easy as a job as it looked huh, Nate? I think HC is actually one of the more difficult D1 AD jobs in the country....for a myriad of reasons but one in particular is trying to keep an evah aging alumni-base happy/engaged with such low-performing football/basketball programs (vis a vis where they both where a generation or two ago anyway). Maybe he's just waiting for all us old fogies to leave this mortal coil. Class of '87. Old fogies ?? I am in big trouble as class of '67 |
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 14, 2016 16:25:21 GMT -5
Ditto!
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Post by hc87 on Nov 14, 2016 16:27:28 GMT -5
lol...I know, a bit hyperbolic....but I think there is a fairly clear divide chronologically between where some alumni view HC should be competing athletically (at a higher level hoop-wise, being much more competitive in 1-AA football etc) having gone to HC when that was the case in the 60s, 70s and 80s versus those that only know a HC in the PL in both.
Just saying that it's hard to appease both of these groups. Nate's got a tough gig right now imo.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 14, 2016 17:03:44 GMT -5
Don't you think that every single alumni base in the NCAA world thinks its school's athletic programs should be doing better? I'll bet that most of the hot button issues on this board could be transferred to most any message board and not seem out of place. I recall several years ago visiting a Notre Dame football discussion board--just for the fun if it after a few losses by the Domers--and reading posters saying that the football team would be doing better "if only the administration showed some support and invested in the sport".
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Post by joe on Nov 14, 2016 17:07:09 GMT -5
Don't you think that every single alumni base in the NCAA world thinks its school's athletic programs should be doing better? I'll bet that most of the hot button issues on this board could be transferred to most any message board and not seem out of place. I recall several years ago visiting a Notre Dame football discussion board--just for the fun if it after a few losses by the Domers--and reading posters saying that the football team would be doing better "if only the administration showed some support and invested in the sport". Interesting observation. |
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Post by rickii on Nov 15, 2016 18:48:58 GMT -5
Oh to have access to Pine's cell phone history right now....
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Post by joe on Nov 15, 2016 19:15:07 GMT -5
Presser should have been over and done with by now.
Clock is ticking.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 15, 2016 19:23:15 GMT -5
If it ain't tomorrow (after Pine gets back) it ain't happenin'.
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Post by joe on Nov 15, 2016 19:42:35 GMT -5
If it ain't tomorrow (after Pine gets back) it ain't happenin'. Agree. |
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 15, 2016 21:42:52 GMT -5
Presser should have been over and done with by now. Clock is ticking. HC isn't say Southern Cal. If TG gets launched - there will be no presser. There will be a one paragraph media release thanking TG for "all he's done for HC", and "a nationwide search has begun for the next coach". That's it. There will be no release if he's retained. Presser would only occur when and if a new coach is hired.
It's been a busy last 5 days for NP, so doubtful anything would go down tomorrow., If TG is cut loose - I'd expect it to be Friday afternoon - as that is when most bad news is usually delivered.
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