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Post by mm67 on Aug 30, 2022 18:58:33 GMT -5
PP - Bingo! At one time two years of Latin were required for the AB. My late friend George was a good student but a lousy Latin "scholar." He went to the Dean of Studies, Fr. Donahue, to beg off Latin. Somehow, he was able to drop Latin yet receive an AB. He was told HC was planning to scrap the Latin requirement for the bachelor of arts. He gloated he was the first student in HC history to receive a bachelor of arts without having completed the prerequisite two years of Latin. Checked our infamous two volume yearbook. George did receive an AB which I know he took to Heaven. Rest in Peace Dear Friend.
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Post by CHC8485 on Aug 30, 2022 20:40:41 GMT -5
I can assure you having the diplomas of 2 recent Holy Cross grads in my home that they are indeed in Latin and the degree conferred is artium baccalaureus.
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Post by HCFC45 on Aug 30, 2022 22:42:18 GMT -5
Here is what happened for our class (1967) as I remember it like it was yesterday... When we entered as Freshmen in the fall of 1963 (and celebrated beating BC in football in November) we had the option of pursuing either an AB or BS degree. In order to graduate 4 years later with an AB degree you had to take 2 years of Latin! At that time I remember being told that an AB degree was more highly regarded and the more prestigious of the two, why or why not, I do not know, but that's what I remember being told. So, having taken 4 years of Latin in high school, I opted for the 2 years of Latin and for 1 or both years had Dr. Gerard Lavery. Fast forward 4 years to 1966 - 67 (and we celebrated again in November beating BC in football for the 2nd time in 4 years) and graduation in June 1967. Prior to graduation that year, a letter went out giving every member of our class the option of getting an AB degree even if they did not take 2 years of Latin! All one had to do was request the AB rather than the BS! Why do I remember it so well? Because I was so upset that the requirement was changed after "suffering" through 2 years of Latin....
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 31, 2022 6:22:49 GMT -5
I also chose the A.B. degree - but I never knew IIRC about the Latin requirement. As one who was not a language scholar, such a requirement would have been most upsetting. It was the requirement to take Greek to get a degree in history from Georgetown that caused me to lose any interest in that school. PS: One phrase I always remember from Dr. Flynn in my Spanish class..."Que lastima, Señor Stevenson."
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Post by mm67 on Aug 31, 2022 6:51:51 GMT -5
No doubt George was a pioneer - three years ahead of time. Today it's BA? Que lastima.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 31, 2022 8:29:32 GMT -5
I had no choice and took no Latin; got an AB.
(edit) I did take Latin in high school and it was worthwhile. I was better at dead languages than live ones!
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 31, 2022 8:33:25 GMT -5
I think it's very helpful to have studied Latin. At HC my Classics courses (not just the study of Latin) were excellent. My first was with the late Kenneth Happe and my last was a tutorial with Fr. Sampey that had just three students (talk about nowhere to hide). Semper ad meliora.
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Post by alum on Aug 31, 2022 8:35:46 GMT -5
I can assure you having the diplomas of 2 recent Holy Cross grads in my home that they are indeed in Latin and the degree conferred is artium baccalaureus. Alright chc8485, this is going to send us off on a tangent. I just looked at my diploma on my wall. It says I received an " Artium Baccalauretum." Artium is used in both places and it is a third declension genetive plural which makes sense as it is showing possession ("of Arts") My diploma use baccalaretum which is a second declension neutral nominative singular noun as opposed to "baccalaureus" which appears to be a second declension masculine nominative singluar noun. I need to know why this change has been made and pledge to stop my donations to the College until I get an explanation. It is possible that my quick online Latin refresher is confusing me. That would not be the first time. Several of my kids took public high school Latin. Their teacher was an HC grad who had been a Bean Scholar.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 31, 2022 8:56:41 GMT -5
I did enjoy some high school latin. It has allowed me to read building inscriptions, college mottos, the backs of some currency and the Great Seal of the United States. (It also provided me with a few phrases such as "Semper ubi sub ubi" and "Illigimati non carborundum.")
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 1, 2022 9:45:14 GMT -5
I can assure you having the diplomas of 2 recent Holy Cross grads in my home that they are indeed in Latin and the degree conferred is artium baccalaureus. Alright chc8485, this is going to send us off on a tangent. I just looked at my diploma on my wall. It says I received an " Artium Baccalauretum." Artium is used in both places and it is a third declension genetive plural which makes sense as it is showing possession ("of Arts") My diploma use baccalaretum which is a second declension neutral nominative singular noun as opposed to "baccalaureus" which appears to be a second declension masculine nominative singluar noun. I need to know why this change has been made and pledge to stop my donations to the College until I get an explanation. It is possible that my quick online Latin refresher is confusing me. That would not be the first time. Several of my kids took public high school Latin. Their teacher was an HC grad who had been a Bean Scholar. I would remiss not to acknowledge a mention of "second declension masculine nominative singular nouns" on Crossports. As impressed as I am, however, there are too many decades of rust on my own knowledge of Latin to respond otherwise.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 1, 2022 10:48:22 GMT -5
My diploma of 1970 and my father's of 1942 have the same.
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Post by rf1 on Sept 7, 2022 8:54:28 GMT -5
Worcester College applications and enrollments up Applications are up and some city colleges are seeing record enrollment
Holy Cross info: In fall 2021, 6,498 students applied, with 2,786 being admitted and 821 chose to enroll. For fall 2022 (corrected from article), the university saw 7,035 applications, 2,558 students admitted and 904 who chose to enroll.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 7, 2022 9:42:29 GMT -5
If we had the same yield in 2022 as we did in 2021, we would have enrolled 755 students rather than 904.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Sept 7, 2022 13:58:38 GMT -5
So applicants up, selectivity improved as did yield. All good. To what can we attribute this good set of statistics?
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Post by rf1 on Sept 7, 2022 14:14:50 GMT -5
WPI is far and away the most applied to college in Worcester with 11,700 applicants. Clark is second with 8,814 and Holy Cross third at 7,035.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 7, 2022 14:28:35 GMT -5
The admissions department will have some real analysis and strategizing to do to forecast what yield will be next year. Was this year’s meaningful increase in yield a one-year anomaly or a real change that bound endure?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 7, 2022 14:37:51 GMT -5
WPI is a very fine school. My guess is that the high number of applications is because many students use it as a safety : acceptance rate is 60% and I think the yield is around 20%
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Post by hcpride on Sept 7, 2022 15:26:34 GMT -5
WPI is a very fine school. My guess is that the high number of applications is because many students use it as a safety : acceptance rate is 60% and I think the yield is around 20% Yes. If I had a nickel for every kid I know who has applied MIT, RPI, WPI I'd be a rich man. No surprise RPI and WPI have to accept a comparatively large number (all of whom are quite bright) to fill a class. MIT (3.96 acceptance rate this cycle), not so much. As far as HC goes, I suspect our Early Decision numbers revived from last cycle's dip which enabled us to accept less kids RD (combining increased applicants with decreased acceptances is the perfect recipe to decrease admissions rate...ours went down from 43-ish to 36-ish if my math is correct). The yield surprise and resultant crowding is one we hopefully won't see repeated. I'd much rather see us selectively hitting the wait list because we marginally over-guesstimate yield than tripling kids in doubles (for a number of reasons).
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 7, 2022 15:31:46 GMT -5
WPI is far and away the most applied to college in Worcester with 11,700 applicants. Clark is second with 8,814 and Holy Cross third at 7,035. Undergraduate and graduate school applicants combined at WPI and Clark or just undergraduate?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 8, 2022 7:12:34 GMT -5
So applicants up, selectivity improved as did yield. All good. To what can we attribute this good set of statistics? Ann was shown the door.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 8, 2022 9:48:26 GMT -5
So applicants up, selectivity improved as did yield. All good. To what can we attribute this good set of statistics? Ann was shown the door. Facts, figures and the rare grudge. I hope you are correct that she was that responsible for HC's drop in the rankings because if so we're off to the races now.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 8, 2022 10:13:41 GMT -5
Phreek is unusually tuned in with happenings at HC.
While it may just be his hunch or he’s heard rumors and I would never suggest I know all the stuff that he knows (having satellites, easedropping, etc. at his command), I’ve heard rumors (humint?) that Ann was “encouraged to retire.”
Anyone on the job as long as she was, and I thank her for her service to alma mater, but with consistently declining numbers should consider fresh approaches might be worth a try and step aside.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Sept 8, 2022 10:20:32 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if her demographics or home towns or high schools of the incoming class members differ meaningfully from prior classes.
We’ve already asked whether the PPAC may have attracted some students
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 8, 2022 10:48:04 GMT -5
Phreek is unusually tuned in with happenings at HC. While it may just be his hunch or he’s heard rumors and I would never suggest I know all the stuff that he knows (having satellites, easedropping, etc. at his command), I’ve heard rumors (humint?) that Ann was “encouraged to retire.” Anyone on the job as long as she was, and I thank her for her service to alma mater, but with consistently declining numbers should consider fresh approaches might be worth a try and step aside. Let me put it this way. If I was the head of a department in a business, with a great deal of autonomy, and the CEO of this business brings in an outsider specifically to oversee and direct the operations of my department, I would conclude that I am now in charge only of shuffling the paper, and nothing more. Someone I know had a substantive conversation with Ann a few years ago. He recently described her as "arrogant". That single word;.no other descriptive adjectives..
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 8, 2022 11:13:55 GMT -5
Don't blame Ann, blame her boss(es) who gave her way too much power,
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