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Post by hcpride on Jan 15, 2022 10:56:26 GMT -5
Not sure where to post this and it’s not Holy Cross 😢… Jon Rothstein (@jonrothstein) Tweeted: NEWS: The CAA is expected to add Hampton as a member on July 1st and is also targeting both Stony Brook and Monmouth as potential members, according to multiple sources. t.co/WuV8hNrLJP |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 15, 2022 12:00:02 GMT -5
Not sure where to post this and it’s not Holy Cross 😢… Jon Rothstein (@jonrothstein) Tweeted: NEWS: The CAA is expected to add Hampton as a member on July 1st and is also targeting both Stony Brook and Monmouth as potential members, according to multiple sources. t.co/WuV8hNrLJPThe Hampton part is a poor fit athletically to the conference |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 15, 2022 12:58:15 GMT -5
Not sure where to post this and it’s not Holy Cross 😢… Jon Rothstein (@jonrothstein) Tweeted: NEWS: The CAA is expected to add Hampton as a member on July 1st and is also targeting both Stony Brook and Monmouth as potential members, according to multiple sources. t.co/WuV8hNrLJPThe Hampton part is a poor fit athletically to the conference Agreed. This is probably more about the expsoure if adding a HCBU and establishing a foothold in Norfolk area that was lost when Old Dominion left. I thought Stony Brook and Albany were supposed to join the CAA as all sports members 5 or 6 years ago at this point. That was supposedly the original plan when both joined for football in 2012. At the time, the rumored hold up was that Albany was hosting AE basketball tournament for a couple years. Not sure why the move never materialized? Political pressure for the 3 SUNYs to stay together? It was also well known that Hofstra at the time wanted nothing to do with being in same league as SBU. |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 15, 2022 13:36:46 GMT -5
Hofstra could take Monmouth's place in the MAAC if they left that conference.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 15, 2022 13:45:49 GMT -5
Hofstra could take Monmouth's place in the MAAC if they left that conference. Zero shot Hofstra goes to the MAAC. Unless you're Wagner, St. Francis NY, Le Moyne or maybe U Scranton, I'm not sure why anyone would want to join that league to be totally honest. |
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Post by hcpride on Jan 15, 2022 13:51:17 GMT -5
As a SBU fan I like the move (and am interested in seeing how M & W Lax fare). Built-in rivalry with Hofstra that'll only grow. Not only is CAA shrugging off the loss of JMU they're coming back bigger (that may be the message they want to send with an expansion). At the same time, the departure of a university like SBU has to be a blow to the AE.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 15, 2022 13:55:07 GMT -5
JMU isnt even a "loss" for the CAA. Its been assumed for about a decade that they were going to leave at some point, just a matter of where and when.
SBU would be a great addition. And the cross-island rivalry would no doubt be a great development for mid-major hoops in the NYC area.
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Post by hcpride on Jan 15, 2022 14:32:15 GMT -5
JMU isnt even a "loss" for the CAA. Its been assumed for about a decade that they were going to leave at some point, just a matter of where and when. SBU would be a great addition. And the cross-island rivalry would no doubt be a great development for mid-major hoops in the NYC area. Well, I gotta disagree with you there. JMU football is the premier program in the CAA and it is the overall best in all CAA sports. This was quite a loss for the CAA (notwithstanding rumored departures for the last many years). That explains how nasty things got between the CAA and JMU once JMU told then they were leaving: SI detailed the impact of the CAA's "retribution" and "pettiness" on JMU's athletes: www.si.com/college/2021/11/05/james-madison-athletes-take-biggest-fall-realignment-caa |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 15, 2022 14:41:44 GMT -5
JMU isnt even a "loss" for the CAA. Its been assumed for about a decade that they were going to leave at some point, just a matter of where and when. SBU would be a great addition. And the cross-island rivalry would no doubt be a great development for mid-major hoops in the NYC area. Well, I gotta disagree with you there. JMU football is the premier program in the CAA and it is the overall best in all CAA sports. This was quite a loss for the CAA (notwithstanding rumored departures for the last many years). That explains how nasty things got between the CAA and JMU once JMU told then they were leaving: SI detailed the impact of the CAA's "retribution" and "pettiness" on JMU's athletes: www.si.com/college/2021/11/05/james-madison-athletes-take-biggest-fall-realignment-caa BU got the same treatment from America East |
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Post by hcpride on Jan 15, 2022 14:47:02 GMT -5
Well, I gotta disagree with you there. JMU football is the premier program in the CAA and it is the overall best in all CAA sports. This was quite a loss for the CAA (notwithstanding rumored departures for the last many years). That explains how nasty things got between the CAA and JMU once JMU told then they were leaving: SI detailed the impact of the CAA's "retribution" and "pettiness" on JMU's athletes: www.si.com/college/2021/11/05/james-madison-athletes-take-biggest-fall-realignment-caa BU got the same treatment from America East Yes, as did previous departures from CAA. The SI article makes the point that a waiver could have been granted...especially given the unique Covid protocol ups and downs the kids were already going through. And there is absolutely no doubt that the departure of the very best sports program in the conference is quite a blow. (Remember, we are not just talking football departure). |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 15, 2022 16:14:40 GMT -5
The PL is like the Hotel California. You can never leave. The 5 and sometimes 6 OOC games gives HC a chance to upgrade FB schedules and ranking without having to lose the easy on ramp to the NCAA.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 15, 2022 18:57:17 GMT -5
I doubt many leadership positions are filled by the same people at any of the CAA schools or Umass or UConn from when those two fine institutions moved up to FBS. So if and when reality ever breaches the barricades erected against it in Storrs or Amherst, it should be a clean slate with no animosity, only practical considerations going into whether they join CAA FB.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 16, 2022 8:22:19 GMT -5
JMU isnt even a "loss" for the CAA. Its been assumed for about a decade that they were going to leave at some point, just a matter of where and when. SBU would be a great addition. And the cross-island rivalry would no doubt be a great development for mid-major hoops in the NYC area. Well, I gotta disagree with you there. JMU football is the premier program in the CAA and it is the overall best in all CAA sports. This was quite a loss for the CAA (notwithstanding rumored departures for the last many years). That explains how nasty things got between the CAA and JMU once JMU told then they were leaving: SI detailed the impact of the CAA's "retribution" and "pettiness" on JMU's athletes: www.si.com/college/2021/11/05/james-madison-athletes-take-biggest-fall-realignment-caa This policy wasn't created out of sour grapes with JMU. It was a league policy that had been on the books. The ODU departure was handled the same way...and JMU was one of the schools that voted on that exit policy. You're correct that from a conference ranking perspective, there's no replacing JMU right now when it comes to FCS football. The league's overall spot in the pecking order is definitely falling right now. In the 2000's, the CAA was the best I-AA conference. Now with the emergence of the Dakotas, the Missouri Valley is unquestioned #1 followed by the Big Sky at #2. But I think fans of most CAA schools kind of viewed the JMU FBS decision through the lens of "it's time to either poop or get off the pot". The CAA is going to be fine even if it's not the stalwart it once was. And they may have the opportunity to take UMASS back in a few years depending on what decisions are made in Amherst. The Minutemen coming to their senses to go back to being a perennial Top 10 FCS team would be a great thing for college football in New England and for CAA Football. |
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Post by hcpride on Jan 16, 2022 10:02:45 GMT -5
Well, I gotta disagree with you there. JMU football is the premier program in the CAA and it is the overall best in all CAA sports. This was quite a loss for the CAA (notwithstanding rumored departures for the last many years). That explains how nasty things got between the CAA and JMU once JMU told then they were leaving: SI detailed the impact of the CAA's "retribution" and "pettiness" on JMU's athletes: www.si.com/college/2021/11/05/james-madison-athletes-take-biggest-fall-realignment-caa This policy wasn't created out of sour grapes with JMU. It was a league policy that had been on the books. The ODU departure was handled the same way...and JMU was one of the schools that voted on that exit policy. You're correct that from a conference ranking perspective, there's no replacing JMU right now when it comes to FCS football. The league's overall spot in the pecking order is definitely falling right now. In the 2000's, the CAA was the best I-AA conference. Now with the emergence of the Dakotas, the Missouri Valley is unquestioned #1 followed by the Big Sky at #2. But I think fans of most CAA schools kind of viewed the JMU FBS decision through the lens of "it's time to either poop or get off the pot". The CAA is going to be fine even if it's not the stalwart it once was. And they may have the opportunity to take UMASS back in a few years depending on what decisions are made in Amherst. The Minutemen coming to their senses to go back to being a perennial Top 10 FCS team would be a great thing for college football in New England and for CAA Football. SI's point (and the point of all the student protests - not to mention JMU's waiver request) was that the by-laws were waiverable (at a time when a billion trillion things related to college athletics are being waived). Of course conferences have by-laws discouraging departures (seen that a dozen times or more, including the one bfoley pointed out, above). As I noted this was not only a football blow...JMU is the best overall sports program in the conference. Of course the CAA will be fine and an expansion (not just a replacement) is a good way to show they are recovering. SBU, for example (and if it happens), will fill some of those non-football holes (W. Lax comes to mind immediately) and carries a strong academic reputation into full membership. And I do agree UMass belongs in CAA football and I'd like to see us play them each year in front of good crowds. |
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Post by mainejeff on Jan 18, 2022 10:00:15 GMT -5
Well, I gotta disagree with you there. JMU football is the premier program in the CAA and it is the overall best in all CAA sports. This was quite a loss for the CAA (notwithstanding rumored departures for the last many years). That explains how nasty things got between the CAA and JMU once JMU told then they were leaving: SI detailed the impact of the CAA's "retribution" and "pettiness" on JMU's athletes: www.si.com/college/2021/11/05/james-madison-athletes-take-biggest-fall-realignment-caa BU got the same treatment from America East BU deserved that treatment after blocking America East from taking over Hockey East (even BC OK'd it!)....and then immediately left America East for the Patriot. |
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 18, 2022 11:10:55 GMT -5
If the PL continues to flounder in mediocrity, I’d love to see all sports shift to the CAA - if you want to see 10,000 plus every Saturday at Fitton bring Nova, Richmond, UNH etc… along with the strong Ivies OOC - yes, we would need 63 s hollies and grant a few redshirts each year - ‘If there’s a will, there’s … ‘
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Post by mainejeff on Jan 18, 2022 11:24:10 GMT -5
If the PL continues to flounder in mediocrity, I’d love to see all sports shift to the CAA - if you want to see 10,000 plus every Saturday at Fitton bring Nova, Richmond, UNH etc… along with the strong Ivies OOC - yes, we would need 63 s hollies and grant a few redshirts each year - ‘If there’s a will, there’s … ‘ That isn't going to happen....I don't see Holy Cross ever getting an invite to the CAA for all sports....they will never accept another "associate" member for football....you can take that one to the bank. |
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 18, 2022 11:59:02 GMT -5
I'm not talking about an 'associate' membership - ALL sports is the idea since the PL is pathetic in all sports except men's lacrosse
Realize it's a longshot but we are sinking while in the PL in literally every one of our 27 sports with the exception of football and arguably women's bball - FADMB was a fake with his long term plan to achieve consistent competitiveness with zero change in actual increased emphasis - therefore 'nothing has changed'
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 18, 2022 12:57:34 GMT -5
If the PL continues to flounder in mediocrity, I’d love to see all sports shift to the CAA - if you want to see 10,000 plus every Saturday at Fitton bring Nova, Richmond, UNH etc… along with the strong Ivies OOC - yes, we would need 63 s hollies and grant a few redshirts each year - ‘If there’s a will, there’s … ‘ That isn't going to happen....I don't see Holy Cross ever getting an invite to the CAA for all sports....they will never accept another "associate" member for football....you can take that one to the bank. One positive of the PL is Holy Cross shares similar issues as the majority of members who are non-public smaller schools than many CAA schools, so I think it's generally a good fit. But what are the factors why HC would never be acceptable to the CAA for all sports? |
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 18, 2022 13:26:27 GMT -5
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Post by mainejeff on Jan 18, 2022 14:25:09 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Jan 19, 2022 7:01:05 GMT -5
If Holy Cross had any interest in making that switch they'd certainly have to look closely at Northeastern to see if it's working out for them: costs, attendance, recruiting.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 19, 2022 9:07:26 GMT -5
What makes you think another league would even give HC a look?
The only thing HC could bring athletically to any other 1AA conference is a good FB program on solid footing. Isn't another program currently at HC that brings any value.
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Post by hc17 on Jan 19, 2022 9:38:38 GMT -5
I think there is a better chance of PL expansion (ie. Fairfield) than HC leaving for the CAA.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 19, 2022 10:04:01 GMT -5
My day has been made!!!! ACTP and Foley find common ground! Can you believe it? A rapprochement?
FWIW, I'd rather see Fairfield join the PL than us going through the gyrations of going into another league. Come on Stags, bring back football! (right!) (Disclosure: my connection to Fairfield might be coloring my perspective)
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