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Post by longsuffering on May 18, 2022 13:09:42 GMT -5
A sneaky (as in a mostly unheralded) good win in the Carter/Duffner era was the 1984 19-0 shutout of a URI team that ultimately made the 1-AA semifinals. They had a great QB in Tom Erhardt...just a magnificient job by the Sader D that day. This kind of thing could make some angry that we didn’t let our best teams compete for a national championship. I’m sure Jeff Wiley would be digging ditches right now instead of being a surgeon if he had missed those precious classes in the mid-late 80s. I kept checking the T&G every day. I was convinced Father Brooks would accept the invite for the weekend only tournament. There was no logic to standing down when other sports had teams staying overnight away from campus mid week. It seemed like a league policy that sounded good when passed, but would fold like a house of cards when any league member had a chance to compete for a national championship. It did but too late for the Duffner era teams.
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Post by hchoops on May 18, 2022 13:12:12 GMT -5
Was that a PL rule or just an HC decision ?
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Post by longsuffering on May 18, 2022 13:14:35 GMT -5
Was that a PL rule or just an HC decision ? PL rule I believe. My feeling was no other President would stand in the way if Father Brooks wanted to allow Holy Cross student athletes to compete. I don't know if Father Brooks ever considered it or inquired.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 18, 2022 15:18:26 GMT -5
HERO Sports is out with their preseason top 25. Names of interest: 9. Villanova 17. HC 22. Harvard 23. Dartmouth Inadvertently omitted: UNH, URI Inadvertently omitted from your list: 15. Delaware 25. Richmond Also omitted: the rest of the Patriot League besides HC.
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Post by HC92 on May 18, 2022 17:55:44 GMT -5
Intentionally omitted. We never play Delaware or Richmond so no one here cares. No one here cares about URI or UNH either except Foley so I threw them in for amusement. It is interesting that the second best team in the vaunted CAA checks in tied for 25th.
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Post by hc87 on May 18, 2022 18:24:55 GMT -5
A sneaky (as in a mostly unheralded) good win in the Carter/Duffner era was the 1984 19-0 shutout of a URI team that ultimately made the 1-AA semifinals. They had a great QB in Tom Erhardt...just a magnificient job by the Sader D that day. This kind of thing could make some angry that we didn’t let our best teams compete for a national championship. I’m sure Jeff Wiley would be digging ditches right now instead of being a surgeon if he had missed those precious classes in the mid-late 80s. LOL....no doubt. I forget how it was decided but that 1984 team forego the FCS playoffs to play BC that season. Started out 7-0 and reached #2 in the 1-AA polls before a couple of tough losses at BU and UNH...I think they kind of got banged up later in the season. A very good overall team when healthy.
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Post by longsuffering on May 18, 2022 19:19:04 GMT -5
I remember being in agreement with that '84 decision to play BC. I figured a chance to win the Captain Edward J. O'Meila Trophy by one fine Crusader was worth more than a chance for a 1-AA Tournament victory.
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Post by hcpride on May 18, 2022 19:26:05 GMT -5
This kind of thing could make some angry that we didn’t let our best teams compete for a national championship. I’m sure Jeff Wiley would be digging ditches right now instead of being a surgeon if he had missed those precious classes in the mid-late 80s. LOL....no doubt. I forget how it was decided but that 1984 team forego the FCS playoffs to play BC that season. Started out 7-0 and reached #2 in the 1-AA polls before a couple of tough losses at BU and UNH...I think they kind of got banged up later in the season. A very good overall team when healthy. I noted that big win v Ehrhardt’s URI on p.1 of this thread - I do agree it’s one of those wins one doesn’t hear much about. Of course, the HC team was loaded (perhaps not quite so much as the year before.) As far as the 1984 playoffs go, I honestly can’t remember if we were even invited after those two tough late-season losses. Dropped us down quite a bit in the rankings. The ultimate timing of the BC game was such that, unlike the previous year, you couldn’t do both.
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Post by longsuffering on May 18, 2022 19:29:28 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on May 18, 2022 19:35:33 GMT -5
LOL....no doubt. I forget how it was decided but that 1984 team forego the FCS playoffs to play BC that season. Started out 7-0 and reached #2 in the 1-AA polls before a couple of tough losses at BU and UNH...I think they kind of got banged up later in the season. A very good overall team when healthy. I noted that big win v Ehrhardt’s URI on p.1 of this thread - I do agree it’s one of those wins one doesn’t hear much about l. Of course, the HC team was loaded (perhaps not quite so much as the year before.) As far as the 1984 playoffs go, I honestly can’t remember if we were even invited after those two tough late-season losses. Dropped us down quite a bit in the rankings. The ultimate timing of the BC game was such that, unlike the previous year, you couldn’t do both. Their were five votes for the 1984 O'Melia Trophy. Two went for Doug Flutie, two for Darren Flutie and the fifth was for D. Flutie. The judges had to decide that the fifth voter meant Doug Flutie, but Doug who connected with his brother Darren for their only touchdown pass in their time as BC teammates on the frozen tundra of Fitton Field that afternoon felt Darren deserved to win.
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Post by thecrossisback on May 18, 2022 22:38:36 GMT -5
HERO Sports is out with their preseason top 25. Names of interest: 9. Villanova 17. HC 22. Harvard 23. Dartmouth Inadvertently omitted: UNH, URI Inadvertently omitted from your list: 15. Delaware 25. Richmond Also omitted: the rest of the Patriot League besides HC. Foley since you like facts. Since Bob Chesney has been the head football coach who has won more games? Rhode Island or Holy Cross?
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Post by HC92 on May 19, 2022 14:24:22 GMT -5
Not sure if it was mentioned above or in another thread but HC and URI are scheduled to play home-and-home in 2024 and 2025.
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2022 15:13:46 GMT -5
Chesney, with his Salve Regina/Ocean State background might have contributed to the scheduling. Another benefit of five or six OOC games each year playing in the PL.
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Post by bfoley82 on May 19, 2022 15:48:30 GMT -5
Inadvertently omitted from your list: 15. Delaware 25. Richmond Also omitted: the rest of the Patriot League besides HC. Foley since you like facts. Since Bob Chesney has been the head football coach who has won more games? Rhode Island or Holy Cross? URI is 17-20 and HC is 25-16....That includes a TEN loss season for URI. My point stands that the CAA every year gets multiple bids while the PL is a one bid league.
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Post by hcpride on May 19, 2022 16:11:22 GMT -5
Chesney, with his Salve Regina/Ocean State background might have contributed to the scheduling. Another benefit of five or six OOC games each year playing in the PL. Another way of looking at it, to be fair, is to look at the benefit of a tougher league schedule. And the majority of the PL was absolutely awful by any standard last year. I’m not sure the phrase ‘absolutely awful’ fully captures it. Heck, the combined W-L record for the four patsies was 9-34 and that awesome 9 win total is partly due to the fact they played each other and somebody had to win.
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2022 16:34:22 GMT -5
Yes, improving PL football is much needed. I'm hoping TG will improve Lehigh like he did at HC when he first arrived. And I hope Colgate hasn't lost their winning culture. It takes so much to build it and so little to lose it.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 19, 2022 16:35:23 GMT -5
Not sure if it was mentioned above or in another thread but HC and URI are scheduled to play home-and-home in 2024 and 2025. Foley makes the Rams 24 point favorites regardless of venue
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2022 16:46:57 GMT -5
HC in a photo finish.
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Post by HC92 on May 19, 2022 18:21:46 GMT -5
Yes, improving PL football is much needed. I'm hoping TG will improve Lehigh like he did at HC when he first arrived. And I hope Colgate hasn't lost their winning culture. It takes so much to build it and so little to lose it. This notion that other PL teams getting better will provide some material benefit to HC is not supported by the facts. We’re going to be a one big league almost every year. Yes, there could be exceptions once in a while (like HC this year if we have one stumble in PL play and do very well in OOC). But we’re better off rolling through the PL every year and using the OOC to build our playoff resume. Colgate, Lehigh and Bucknell having really good hoop teams at different points over the last 15 years has done nothing for HC. Just like HC being really good in football now has done nothing for Fordham, Colgate or anyone else.
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Post by thecrossisback on May 19, 2022 18:42:21 GMT -5
Yes, improving PL football is much needed. I'm hoping TG will improve Lehigh like he did at HC when he first arrived. And I hope Colgate hasn't lost their winning culture. It takes so much to build it and so little to lose it. This notion that other PL teams getting better will provide some material benefit to HC is not supported by the facts. We’re going to be a one big league almost every year. Yes, there could be exceptions once in a while (like HC this year if we have one stumble in PL play and do very well in OOC). But we’re better off rolling through the PL every year and using the OOC to build our playoff resume. Colgate, Lehigh and Bucknell having really good hoop teams at different points over the last 15 years has done nothing for HC. Just like HC being really good in football now has done nothing for Fordham, Colgate or anyone else. I think if the other PL teams are winning and we win the conference it will move our national ranking up a little. Get more points for each win. Foley Holy Cross is a better program then Rhode Island now and for the last 100 years. It doesn’t matter how many bids your league gets it matters how good your team is!
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Post by HC92 on May 19, 2022 20:28:57 GMT -5
This notion that other PL teams getting better will provide some material benefit to HC is not supported by the facts. We’re going to be a one big league almost every year. Yes, there could be exceptions once in a while (like HC this year if we have one stumble in PL play and do very well in OOC). But we’re better off rolling through the PL every year and using the OOC to build our playoff resume. Colgate, Lehigh and Bucknell having really good hoop teams at different points over the last 15 years has done nothing for HC. Just like HC being really good in football now has done nothing for Fordham, Colgate or anyone else. I think if the other PL teams are winning and we win the conference it will move our national ranking up a little. Get more points for each win. Foley Holy Cross is a better program then Rhode Island now and for the last 100 years. It doesn’t matter how many bids your league gets it matters how good your team is! Eh, I’ll take the auto bid every year. If we beat Harvard, Yale and Buffalo, we’ll have a good shot at a seed regardless of how bad the PL is.
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Post by rgs318 on May 19, 2022 20:35:21 GMT -5
"If" can be applied too every FCS team and every schedule every year.
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Post by hcpride on May 19, 2022 20:43:10 GMT -5
I think if the other PL teams are winning and we win the conference it will move our national ranking up a little. Get more points for each win. Foley Holy Cross is a better program then Rhode Island now and for the last 100 years. It doesn’t matter how many bids your league gets it matters how good your team is! Eh, I’ll take the auto bid every year. If we beat Harvard, Yale and Buffalo, we’ll have a good shot at a seed regardless of how bad the PL is. Buffalo would be a tremendous win for us. But if we go undefeated I see a seed heading our way.
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Post by longsuffering on May 19, 2022 20:59:18 GMT -5
If Sluka is throwing seeds I see a long season for the rest of the PL.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 19, 2022 21:00:50 GMT -5
Our #1,2 and 3 priorities this season are to keep Sluka healthy l. #4 is for our defense to keep playing like...our defense.
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