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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 3, 2022 8:40:47 GMT -5
Announcers didn't seem to be aware of rule change this year which makes it a penalty for a ball carrier to fake a feet-first slide I think they were aware and did make mention of this, calling it "the Kenny Pickett rule."
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Post by bringbackcaro on Sept 3, 2022 8:45:14 GMT -5
game management/over-coaching (e.g. putting in an ice cold Pekansky for Sluka on 3rd and goal from the 9) are going to hold HC back from becoming a legit top 10-15 program. Almost like you were concocting reasons to criticize Chesney. Or almost like it was similar botched late-down decision making that occurred in the Sacred Heart and Villanova games at the end of last year so it wouldn’t have been coming out of nowhere. (Not to cross sports, but I can’t imagine the # of pages of posts of you and your crew going back and forth about Nelson if the MBB Crusaders came out and had as many technical fouls called as there were unsportsmanlike penalties called last night.)
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 3, 2022 9:05:24 GMT -5
Almost like you were concocting reasons to criticize Chesney. Or almost like it was similar botched late-down decision making that occurred in the Sacred Heart and Villanova games at the end of last year so it wouldn’t have been coming out of nowhere. (Not to cross sports, but I can’t imagine the # of pages of posts of you and your crew going back and forth about Nelson if the MBB Crusaders came out and had as many technical fouls called as there were unsportsmanlike penalties called last night.) Chesney has earned a little bit of a longer leash having won three straight league titles and being 26-16 (18-3) in the PL vs. Nelson who is 15-61 (14-38). But, yeah, I didn't like a few of the after-the-whistle penalties -- Spence, Jarmolowich (2x...the late hit call on Zergiotis when he was sliding was pretty questionable), and Schon.
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Post by joe on Sept 3, 2022 9:11:45 GMT -5
Let me make sense of this for you all. Merrimack came out of the gate poking the bear with the fake kickoff nonsense which was a veiled, team-wide, de facto taunt organized by their coaching staff. HC took that personally, hence why our sideline were on fire the entire game. Not a good move for them especially considering they know HC is already trying to avenge last year’s loss. HC crossed the line a few times in retaliation but screw it. Ask for apologies later. They’ll reel it back against classier teams. The refs were worried for the health of the Merrimack players and called it tight against HC, knowing how physically dangerous HC is.
Feel better now?
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Post by mm67 on Sept 3, 2022 9:36:00 GMT -5
Understand the "screw it" mentality. It is a part of my make-up. Players needed to send a message. Guys were sky high and coaches did not want to kill the vibe. The team - coaches & players - will build from this game. Clean it up and KEEP THE MOMENTUM. GoCrossGo.
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Post by mm67 on Sept 3, 2022 9:40:54 GMT -5
Are there video highlights?
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Post by HCFC45 on Sept 3, 2022 9:45:48 GMT -5
Have a question for our resident experts....
With 25 seconds left in the 2nd quarter, after MC flagged for intentional grounding, the ball is on the 18 yard line and the scoreboard shows 2nd and 18. A timeout is taken, play resumes and now the ball is spotted on the 13 yard line. The scoreboard still show 2nd and 18. Several of us in the stands, including a parent of a player question how the ball got to the 13? Just now watched the replay of that segment and still cannot figure out how/why the ball was spotted some 5 yards ahead... Even the announcers were saying 2nd and 18 when the ball was on the 13? WHAT HAPPENED???
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Post by dadominate on Sept 3, 2022 9:48:35 GMT -5
i am pleased with last night's win.
we comfortably beat a team on their home field who beat us last year. was it a perfect performance? of course not. it was also the first game of the year and to be expected.
question to bbc... will you apply the same framework of criticism to the men's basketball team when ("if" sadly the better choice of term) it has wins by a comfortable margin? i appreciate contrarian views, but being hypercritical of chesney while hyperdefensive for the much poorer performing nelson (that's an understatement) is very strange. just as your hypercritical views of austin butler and hyperdefensive position of a few previous much poorer performing players (who are not even worth mentioning) was strange.
how about savoring the wins - and multiple patriot league championships - under chesney like the rest of us? we won't have him forever, and just like when willard left, it's far from a given that we will be as successful under whoever follows him.
on to buffalo. i'll be watching them play the erratic maryland terps today and am curious to see how they do.
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Post by hc87 on Sept 3, 2022 10:05:49 GMT -5
Have a question for our resident experts.... With 25 seconds left in the 2nd quarter, after MC flagged for intentional grounding, the ball is on the 18 yard line and the scoreboard shows 2nd and 18. A timeout is taken, play resumes and now the ball is spotted on the 13 yard line. The scoreboard still show 2nd and 18. Several of us in the stands, including a parent of a player question how the ball got to the 13? Just now watched the replay of that segment and still cannot figure out how/why the ball was spotted some 5 yards ahead... Even the announcers were saying 2nd and 18 when the ball was on the 13? WHAT HAPPENED??? Yeah, that was odd along with a few other calls or no calls last night....I believe in the NCAA intentional grounding is a 10 yd penalty and loss of down. Not sure how the line of scrimmage was changed to the 13 from the 18....haven't watched the replay yet.
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Post by HC92 on Sept 3, 2022 10:12:08 GMT -5
Have a question for our resident experts.... With 25 seconds left in the 2nd quarter, after MC flagged for intentional grounding, the ball is on the 18 yard line and the scoreboard shows 2nd and 18. A timeout is taken, play resumes and now the ball is spotted on the 13 yard line. The scoreboard still show 2nd and 18. Several of us in the stands, including a parent of a player question how the ball got to the 13? Just now watched the replay of that segment and still cannot figure out how/why the ball was spotted some 5 yards ahead... Even the announcers were saying 2nd and 18 when the ball was on the 13? WHAT HAPPENED??? My guess without watching the replay would be that they misplaced the ball originally and correctly placed it during the timeout. I think grounding is a spot foul so, if the QB threw it from the 13, that’s the correct placement of the ball. Also, the scoreboard operator was terrible all night so I’d pay no attention to what was on the scoredboard. Edit: Now thinking maybe it’s 10 yards from the spot of the grounding. Maybe the ball was really on the 3 (scoreboard said 4) and the grounding was right at the line of scrimmage?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 3, 2022 10:17:42 GMT -5
Joe said it better than I could, but I had similar feelings. I thought maybe MC had channeled Rocky vs. Clubber Lang a bit, with maybe some of them chirping "you ain't so bad" at some of the HC players early on. I like it though - let's play them every year!
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 3, 2022 10:19:07 GMT -5
Announcers didn't seem to be aware of rule change this year which makes it a penalty for a ball carrier to fake a feet-first slide But they had a ten year history with Coach Chesney, were insightful about the rarity of D-2 coaches getting a shot in D-1 and praised the Holy Cross Administration (FADNP) for hiring Chesney ("even though he was in their back yard"). It was interesting to learn that the Special Teams dominance we saw against BC started at Salve Regina. If there really is a significant stigma against D-2 head coaches when they try to move up, that is something HC could take advantage of in other sports. With 27 sports and 3,000+ students we don't have too many ways to gain an edge, as the all sports w/l record indicates.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 3, 2022 10:20:06 GMT -5
We had little difficulty defeating an inferior team.
We have (much) bigger fish to fry.
Next.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 3, 2022 10:33:45 GMT -5
Have a question for our resident experts.... With 25 seconds left in the 2nd quarter, after MC flagged for intentional grounding, the ball is on the 18 yard line and the scoreboard shows 2nd and 18. A timeout is taken, play resumes and now the ball is spotted on the 13 yard line. The scoreboard still show 2nd and 18. Several of us in the stands, including a parent of a player question how the ball got to the 13? Just now watched the replay of that segment and still cannot figure out how/why the ball was spotted some 5 yards ahead... Even the announcers were saying 2nd and 18 when the ball was on the 13? WHAT HAPPENED??? My guess without watching the replay would be that they misplaced the ball originally and correctly placed it during the timeout. I think grounding is a spot foul so, if the QB threw it from the 13, that’s the correct placement of the ball. Also, the scoreboard operator was terrible all night so I’d pay no attention to what was on the scoredboard. Edit: Now thinking maybe it’s 10 yards from the spot of the grounding. Maybe the ball was really on the 3 (scoreboard said 4) and the grounding was right at the line of scrimmage? 92 has it right. In what was a lackluster crew last night, this was one of the worst moments for them -- not understanding the rules. They eventually got it right, but wouldn't have if we didn't indirectly help them. In the NFL, intentional grounding is a ten-yard penalty and loss of down. In college, it's a loss of down and spot foul. The officials didn't get either right at first, as they marked the ball back at the Merrimack 18-yard line, which would have been a 15-yard penalty. Had we not called a timeout, they would have ended up snapping the ball from the 18. We call a timeout. Someone in the officiating crew must have realized the mistake, and then moved the ball up to the 13-yard line, which is where Zergiotis committed the penalty. Really bad. I am sure Chesney will be sending a few of the calls from the game last night to the NCAA for review.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 3, 2022 10:36:36 GMT -5
Buffalo is a bigger fish, and I'll be picking us to fry them, but is this going to be the biggest game in their football history to date like it was for Merrimack? Last night was awesome.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 3, 2022 10:38:28 GMT -5
My guess without watching the replay would be that they misplaced the ball originally and correctly placed it during the timeout. I think grounding is a spot foul so, if the QB threw it from the 13, that’s the correct placement of the ball. Also, the scoreboard operator was terrible all night so I’d pay no attention to what was on the scoredboard. Edit: Now thinking maybe it’s 10 yards from the spot of the grounding. Maybe the ball was really on the 3 (scoreboard said 4) and the grounding was right at the line of scrimmage? 92 has it right. In what was a lackluster crew last night, this was one of the worst moments for them -- not understanding the rules. They eventually got it right, but wouldn't have if we didn't indirectly help them. In the NFL, intentional grounding is a ten-yard penalty and loss of down. In college, it's a loss of down and spot foul. The officials didn't get either right at first, as they marked the ball back at the Merrimack 18-yard line, which would have been a 15-yard penalty. Had we not called a timeout, they would have ended up snapping the ball from the 18. We call a timeout. Someone in the officiating crew must have realized the mistake, and then moved the ball up to the 13-yard line, which is where Zergiotis committed the penalty. Really bad. I am sure Chesney will be sending a few of the calls from the game last night to the NCAA for review. That was suggested by the announcers last night also.
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Post by HCFC45 on Sept 3, 2022 10:46:20 GMT -5
My guess without watching the replay would be that they misplaced the ball originally and correctly placed it during the timeout. I think grounding is a spot foul so, if the QB threw it from the 13, that’s the correct placement of the ball. Also, the scoreboard operator was terrible all night so I’d pay no attention to what was on the scoredboard. Edit: Now thinking maybe it’s 10 yards from the spot of the grounding. Maybe the ball was really on the 3 (scoreboard said 4) and the grounding was right at the line of scrimmage? 92 has it right. In what was a lackluster crew last night, this was one of the worst moments for them -- not understanding the rules. They eventually got it right, but wouldn't have if we didn't indirectly help them. In the NFL, intentional grounding is a ten-yard penalty and loss of down. In college, it's a loss of down and spot foul. The officials didn't get either right at first, as they marked the ball back at the Merrimack 18-yard line, which would have been a 15-yard penalty. Had we not called a timeout, they would have ended up snapping the ball from the 18. We call a timeout. Someone in the officiating crew must have realized the mistake, and then moved the ball up to the 13-yard line, which is where Zergiotis committed the penalty. Really bad. I am sure Chesney will be sending a few of the calls from the game last night to the NCAA for review. Good explanation both '92 and SOV... you cannot tell anything from the replay I just watched... however in addition to the intentional grounding call I think I saw the official also call "ineligible receiver downfield"... could that have played into it also and/or one must take precedent over the other.... agree wholeheartedly this crew was BAD!!!
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Post by timholycross on Sept 3, 2022 10:46:44 GMT -5
I'd like to ask someone unbiased if that game was as poorly officiated as I think it was.
The penalties seemed to come out of nowhere, on many occasions you couldn't see the flag (yellow soccer field markings didn't help); plus the communication skills of the head referee were poor. There were lots of delays making signals, marking off penalties, etc.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 3, 2022 11:04:55 GMT -5
When the QB slid into the legs of an HC defender and that player was called for unsportslike conduct, that was really poor.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 3, 2022 11:07:59 GMT -5
At least in that case I understood it was a bang-bang play, a call was made; and they didn't see it our way. Most of the time I had no clue a penalty call was even being considered; they seemed to materialize out of thin air.
The telecast didn't help me understand what was going on w/all the freezing and jumping; have to factor that in to my evaluation of what was going on out there.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 3, 2022 11:10:37 GMT -5
Check out the video replay. It its pretty good quality and showed me things I did not see in the original broadcast.
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Post by purple1 on Sept 3, 2022 11:15:32 GMT -5
Attended the game last night and witnessed less than respected officiating. Yellow flags came late and from dubious observation locations. This game could have been a 45 - 3 final with competent officiating. 2 calls on hitting QB sliding were questionable; our players were diving over the QB. Taunting, chirping, etc. was going on all game by both teams. Game observations: Sluka had 40 -50 yards called back due to penalties - add those to his totals.....he remained calm in the pocket and chose the correct receiver 90% of the time. Multiple running backs pounded the M defense and offensive line did a good job with their push, really liked liberal substitution of personnel by Chris Smith. Depth and experience is being built. Shipman is a load to take down at receiver, with nice speed with Asante & Shorter. Purdy out of back field is a killer !
Defensive front 3 rushed and pursued all night despite numerous holds by M offense. Linebackers had an efficient game and were certainly targeted by Merrimack. 5 or 6 defensive backs per a snap seemed a bit unusual, but resulted in good pass coverage. I spotted 4 coverage lapses for the game and some open field tackling could have been better - all coachable items to be addressed.
Not ONE PUNT by Holy Cross for the game ! Ng missed PAT - very rare and 1 field goal attempt from 48 yds. a little mix up of the hold.
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Post by lou on Sept 3, 2022 11:21:37 GMT -5
Check out the video replay. It its pretty good quality and showed me things I did not see in the original broadcast. Just FYI...the video quality from my provider was excellent, not a single issue. As mentioned before I was streaming this game with Roku
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 3, 2022 11:23:45 GMT -5
I got it directly through the internet option on my smart tv. ESPN+ is superior to what I got. The first half had been perfect but the second half was a reception crap shoot. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 3, 2022 11:34:57 GMT -5
Any official numbers yet for game attendance? The HC website has attendance as "0" ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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