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Post by hchoops on Sept 19, 2022 11:16:55 GMT -5
We know who we are and do not need any selfies We had as many as you
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Sept 19, 2022 11:22:56 GMT -5
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Post by deep Purple on Sept 19, 2022 11:22:56 GMT -5
Look very, very closely in section6 about the 50 yard line 2/3rds up and you'll see our 1970 crowd! My brother and I and some friends were a few rows in front of you guys in Section 6. Saw you guys take that Class pic late in the game...nice showing by the Class of '70! Well, they are the purplest class.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 19, 2022 11:58:29 GMT -5
1. We know who we are too 2. We also don't need selfies. In fact, this wasn't a selfie, it was a group photo to share with other Classmates who couldn't make the game. FYI, the definition of a selfie is: A selfie (/ ˈsɛlfi /) is a self-portrait photograph, typically taken with a digital camera or smartphone, which may be held in the hand or supported by a selfie stick. Selfies are often shared on social media, via social networking services such as Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, and Instagram. Two subjects posing for a joint selfie. This picture was taken by a nice gentleman in the area . Don't think it was Foley but didn't get his name. 3. So happy you had a good showing for your class. While I know you don't need to take selfies, would you care to share a group class photo? 4. I have a lot of respect for the Class of 1967. I was brought up to respect my elders.
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Sept 19, 2022 12:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Sept 19, 2022 12:01:23 GMT -5
Agree with number 4 Freshmen when we were seniors You have a terrific class
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 19, 2022 12:43:22 GMT -5
As do you. Lentz, Kimener, Willard, Peirce, Matthews (some like, some hate, whatever) and many others to numerous to name - some even Crossporters. All in good fun, hoops.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 19, 2022 14:35:26 GMT -5
What if Spectrum says we put the game out to our television viewers in fine style and made it available to ESPN/HC. They dropped the handoff. Don't look at us. If the proof is in the pudding, wouldn't Spectrum have the stronger case? We don'teven know if Spectrum was aware of the issue in real time. Someone mentioned the announcers were oblivious. Hopefully it's a fixable technology error and nobody is pointing the finger at the other guy. You mention HC selling the rights to Spectrum. If Spectrum says we can televise the game but not pay a fee, does HC say no? I assume Spectrum doesn't pay a fee to televise all the High School games they carry. If ESPN is saving on sending a production truck and crew do they pay Spectrum for this service? Interesting stuff. The PL deal with ESPN overrides any local sales of media rights. Spectrum knew before kickoff that it was having trouble providing its broadcast to ESPN. Two choices, feed nothing to ESPN (which really would have produced howls) or split off one dedicated camera with field audio and send that to ESPN. ESPN knew of the difficulty as did the officiating crew. There are no breaks for commercials in the first 23 minutes. That first quarter raced along. Occasionally, in the past on Spectrum produced broadcasts, local ads appear, e.g., insurance companies, physicians, on the ESPN broadcast. I did not see any of these on Saturday. Perhaps they were cut out to restore some of ESPN's 'lost' commercial slots. Disney+ has 152 million subscribers. ESPN+ has nearly 23 million. I do not know how many subscribers to Disney+ have ESPN+ as part of that bundle. One can multiply the monthly subscription cost x 23 million to get an estimate of monthly gross revenue (from subscriptions only) for ESPN+ Advertising revenue for ESPN+ in Disney's first fiscal quarter for 2022 was nearly $1 billion.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 19, 2022 14:44:19 GMT -5
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Sept 19, 2022 15:17:43 GMT -5
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Post by hcnj on Sept 19, 2022 15:17:43 GMT -5
Thanks, Crucis
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 19, 2022 15:23:55 GMT -5
What if Spectrum says we put the game out to our television viewers in fine style and made it available to ESPN/HC. They dropped the handoff. Don't look at us. If the proof is in the pudding, wouldn't Spectrum have the stronger case? We don'teven know if Spectrum was aware of the issue in real time. Someone mentioned the announcers were oblivious. Hopefully it's a fixable technology error and nobody is pointing the finger at the other guy. You mention HC selling the rights to Spectrum. If Spectrum says we can televise the game but not pay a fee, does HC say no? I assume Spectrum doesn't pay a fee to televise all the High School games they carry. If ESPN is saving on sending a production truck and crew do they pay Spectrum for this service? Interesting stuff. The PL deal with ESPN overrides any local sales of media rights. Spectrum knew before kickoff that it was having trouble providing its broadcast to ESPN. Two choices, feed nothing to ESPN (which really would have produced howls) or split off one dedicated camera with field audio and send that to ESPN. ESPN knew of the difficulty as did the officiating crew. There are no breaks for commercials in the first 23 minutes. That first quarter raced along. Occasionally, in the past on Spectrum produced broadcasts, local ads appear, e.g., insurance companies, physicians, on the ESPN broadcast. I did not see any of these on Saturday. Perhaps they were cut out to restore some of ESPN's 'lost' commercial slots. Disney+ has 152 million subscribers. ESPN+ has nearly 23 million. I do not know how many subscribers to Disney+ have ESPN+ as part of that bundle. One can multiply the monthly subscription cost x 23 million to get an estimate of monthly gross revenue (from subscriptions only) for ESPN+ Advertising revenue for ESPN+ in Disney's first fiscal quarter for 2022 was nearly $1 billion. How do we know Spectrum was having trouble providing it's broadcast to ESPN and not the other way around? I ask because I can recall many technical glitches involving Holy Cross, ESPN and before that Stadium and I can't recall any with Spectrum1/Charter Channel 3 Holy Cross broadcasts, which I found a way to watch for many years. I look at it as ESPN is responsible for producing the game and if they take a money saving short cut by asking Spectrum1 to toss it over to streaming, outside of their usual area of expertise which is direct to cable, ESPN is still responsible when there is a glitch. Maybe there is a Yale or HC grad working at ESPN headquarters in Bristol who was annoyed and will help bring the quality back up to traditional ESPN standards. I noticed Kevin Shea wasn't there. Maybe he's the guy who knows what wires to plug into what holes.
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Sept 19, 2022 15:24:06 GMT -5
Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 19, 2022 15:24:06 GMT -5
You are Welcome!
Can you feel the excitement from the Recap? .....
What a great highlight package to show recruits and parents
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Post by Crucis#1 on Sept 19, 2022 15:25:48 GMT -5
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Post by CHC8485 on Sept 19, 2022 15:27:38 GMT -5
My brother and I and some friends were a few rows in front of you guys in Section 6. Saw you guys take that Class pic late in the game...nice showing by the Class of '70! Well, they are the purplest class. The Self-proclaimed purplest class by a member of that class lost to this board. To paraphrase Monty Python ... "If I went around saying I was [the purplest class] just because some moistened bint lobbed [the title at me], they'd put me away..."
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 19, 2022 17:03:00 GMT -5
The PL deal with ESPN overrides any local sales of media rights. Spectrum knew before kickoff that it was having trouble providing its broadcast to ESPN. Two choices, feed nothing to ESPN (which really would have produced howls) or split off one dedicated camera with field audio and send that to ESPN. ESPN knew of the difficulty as did the officiating crew. There are no breaks for commercials in the first 23 minutes. That first quarter raced along. Occasionally, in the past on Spectrum produced broadcasts, local ads appear, e.g., insurance companies, physicians, on the ESPN broadcast. I did not see any of these on Saturday. Perhaps they were cut out to restore some of ESPN's 'lost' commercial slots. Disney+ has 152 million subscribers. ESPN+ has nearly 23 million. I do not know how many subscribers to Disney+ have ESPN+ as part of that bundle. One can multiply the monthly subscription cost x 23 million to get an estimate of monthly gross revenue (from subscriptions only) for ESPN+ Advertising revenue for ESPN+ in Disney's first fiscal quarter for 2022 was nearly $1 billion. How do we know Spectrum was having trouble providing it's broadcast to ESPN and not the other way around? I ask because I can recall many technical glitches involving Holy Cross, ESPN and before that Stadium and I can't recall any with Spectrum1/Charter Channel 3 Holy Cross broadcasts, which I found a way to watch for many years. I look at it as ESPN is responsible for producing the game and if they take a money saving short cut by asking Spectrum1 to toss it over to streaming, outside of their usual area of expertise which is direct to cable, ESPN is still responsible when there is a glitch. Maybe there is a Yale or HC grad working at ESPN headquarters in Bristol who was annoyed and will help bring the quality back up to traditional ESPN standards. I noticed Kevin Shea wasn't there. Maybe he's the guy who knows what wires to plug into what holes. If you go back to the replay after the 23 minute mark, and look at the chyron at the bottom of the screen, the one with the score, time, etc., you will see the logo of Spectrum associated with the chyron. Not ESPN. As for the culprit at ESPN sabotaging the broadcast, look no further than this guy" espnpressroom.com/us/bios/magnus_burke/
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Sept 19, 2022 17:04:42 GMT -5
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Post by hc2020 on Sept 19, 2022 17:04:42 GMT -5
I may have missed it, but was Sam Slade mentioned here ? 4 carries for 41 yards . Not a bad career opener. Yes, he looked good. Let’s also keep in mind that he was running through holes big enough for this broken down middle-aged has-been to have probably gained about 10 yards/carry…
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Post by hchoops on Sept 19, 2022 17:28:57 GMT -5
Apologize if this was already mentioned We had 7 receivers catch 18 passes for 318 yards. Coker lad with 4. What admirable balance. Difficult to defend and to prepare for.
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Post by gks on Sept 19, 2022 18:35:40 GMT -5
What if Spectrum says we put the game out to our television viewers in fine style and made it available to ESPN/HC. They dropped the handoff. Don't look at us. If the proof is in the pudding, wouldn't Spectrum have the stronger case? We don'teven know if Spectrum was aware of the issue in real time. Someone mentioned the announcers were oblivious. Hopefully it's a fixable technology error and nobody is pointing the finger at the other guy. You mention HC selling the rights to Spectrum. If Spectrum says we can televise the game but not pay a fee, does HC say no? I assume Spectrum doesn't pay a fee to televise all the High School games they carry. If ESPN is saving on sending a production truck and crew do they pay Spectrum for this service? Interesting stuff. The PL deal with ESPN overrides any local sales of media rights. Spectrum knew before kickoff that it was having trouble providing its broadcast to ESPN. Two choices, feed nothing to ESPN (which really would have produced howls) or split off one dedicated camera with field audio and send that to ESPN. ESPN knew of the difficulty as did the officiating crew. There are no breaks for commercials in the first 23 minutes. That first quarter raced along. Occasionally, in the past on Spectrum produced broadcasts, local ads appear, e.g., insurance companies, physicians, on the ESPN broadcast. I did not see any of these on Saturday. Perhaps they were cut out to restore some of ESPN's 'lost' commercial slots. Disney+ has 152 million subscribers. ESPN+ has nearly 23 million. I do not know how many subscribers to Disney+ have ESPN+ as part of that bundle. One can multiply the monthly subscription cost x 23 million to get an estimate of monthly gross revenue (from subscriptions only) for ESPN+ Advertising revenue for ESPN+ in Disney's first fiscal quarter for 2022 was nearly $1 billion. Here's how it works....
The games, I think it's three this season, that are on Spectrum are produced in their entirety by Spectrum. The games air on the Spectrum cable system in Central and Western Mass (as well as some sprinkling in NH and CT). AFAIK it's a gentleman's agreement that Spectrum can air a handful of football games every year and provide the feed to HC for streaming purposes. I believe Spectrum, Charter, etc have been televising HC games since the late 80s.
Holy Cross takes the feed of the game and then sends it to whatever is the entity streaming the games. Now ESPN in the past Stadium.
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Sept 19, 2022 18:44:08 GMT -5
Post by Sons of Vaval on Sept 19, 2022 18:44:08 GMT -5
Think gks is spot on.
So who screwed up on Saturday?
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Sept 19, 2022 18:46:15 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 19, 2022 18:46:15 GMT -5
How do we know Spectrum was having trouble providing it's broadcast to ESPN and not the other way around? I ask because I can recall many technical glitches involving Holy Cross, ESPN and before that Stadium and I can't recall any with Spectrum1/Charter Channel 3 Holy Cross broadcasts, which I found a way to watch for many years. I look at it as ESPN is responsible for producing the game and if they take a money saving short cut by asking Spectrum1 to toss it over to streaming, outside of their usual area of expertise which is direct to cable, ESPN is still responsible when there is a glitch. Maybe there is a Yale or HC grad working at ESPN headquarters in Bristol who was annoyed and will help bring the quality back up to traditional ESPN standards. I noticed Kevin Shea wasn't there. Maybe he's the guy who knows what wires to plug into what holes. If you go back to the replay after the 23 minute mark, and look at the chyron at the bottom of the screen, the one with the score, time, etc., you will see the logo of Spectrum associated with the chyron. Not ESPN. As for the culprit at ESPN sabotaging the broadcast, look no further than this guy" espnpressroom.com/us/bios/magnus_burke/ Burke has a resume that could choke a horse. Maybe ESPN has too many Chiefs and not enough technicians. I hope ESPN streams the Fordham game correctly. ESPN receives the subscription fee, not Spectrum. Spectrum charges it's cable subscribers and earned their fee.
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Post by mm67 on Sept 19, 2022 19:16:58 GMT -5
Bottom Line: No excuses. No rationalizations. Get it done right. Period!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 19, 2022 19:24:59 GMT -5
Holy Cross does not have a gentleman's agreement with Spectrum that allows Spectrum to broadcast HC games at no cost to Spectrum.
Spectrum is Charter Communications, a successor to Time-Warner. Not exactly paupers.
Across all FCS schools in 2019, media rights, NCAA distributions, Bowl revenues provided five percent of total revenue. Ticket sales were four percent of total revenue.
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Sept 19, 2022 20:01:13 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 19, 2022 20:01:13 GMT -5
I think you are saying ESPN and Spectrum/Charter do not have an obligation to Holy Cross because they are paying HC but rather their obligation is to their customers who are paying them, which I agree with.
I'm not out to get ESPN in any way. I'm just clear they didn't meet their obligation to their customers while Spectrum/Charter met their obligation to their customers.
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Post by dharry13 on Sept 19, 2022 20:10:03 GMT -5
I may have missed it, but was Sam Slade mentioned here ? 4 carries for 41 yards . Not a bad career opener. Yes, he looked good. Let’s also keep in mind that he was running through holes big enough for this broken down middle-aged has-been to have probably gained about 10 yards/carry… That could be the case but he’s a Frosh. He’s a nice change of pace to Oliver, Purdy and Fuller. He ran hard and provides much needed depth at that position.
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Post by cmo on Sept 19, 2022 20:29:19 GMT -5
Nice view of home crowd here too :
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 19, 2022 22:28:27 GMT -5
Think gks is spot on. So who screwed up on Saturday? Three parties: HC - hosted and played a full game. Charter - Produced and broadcast a full game. ESPN - streamed 80% of a game.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 20, 2022 6:29:37 GMT -5
I think you are saying ESPN and Spectrum/Charter do not have an obligation to Holy Cross because they are paying HC but rather their obligation is to their customers who are paying them, which I agree with. I'm not out to get ESPN in any way. I'm just clear they didn't meet their obligation to their customers while Spectrum/Charter met their obligation to their customers. ESPN has a multi-year agreement with the Patriot League. The agreement covers digital streaming on ESPN+ of 800 PL athletic contests, annually. patriotleague.org/news/2020/9/15/general-patriot-league-reaches-multi-year-rights-agreement-with-espn-for-live-game-coverage-starting-this-fall.aspxBy locally produced television broadcast, they mean Spectrum. As I understand the agreement, for football and men's basketball, if there is no locally produced television broadcast, or CBS Sports broadcast, then ESPN is required to produce and digitally stream the game; e.g., ESPN announcers. For the Olympic sports, I believe the schools are responsible for production. (IIRC, Loyola men's lacrosse may be a locally produced television broadcast.) The ESPN-PL digital streaming agreement does not cover M/W ice hockey. For a extensive description of NESN and ESPN agreements with Hockey East, see: nuhuskies.com/news/2022/4/6/mens-ice-hockey-hockey-east-announces-new-broadcast-deals-with-espn-and-nesn.aspxAs I read the agreement, ESPN will televise at least three games, NESN will televise about 50 games, and ESPN+ will digitally stream all games. espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2021/10/ecac-hockey-announces-eight-year-extension-of-streaming-rights-agreement-w ESPN would pay the local television broadcaster for the rights to digitally stream the game. -------------------------- Edited to add an illustrative example. HC sells local television broadcast rights to Spectrum for five football games at $25,000 per game. ESPN+ is required to digitally stream these five football games. ESPN+ pays Spectrum $18,000 per game for the digital streaming rights. Spectrum hopes to make a profit after purchasing the rights and paying Spectrum's production costs through 1.) ESPN+ streaming rights payment; 2.) sale of local advertising spots during the broadcast. (Spectrum also has the monthly subscriber revenue stream.) I do not know whether the Spectrum broadcast has national TV ads; if so, these could be an additional source of revenue to Spectrum.
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