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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 20, 2022 11:26:44 GMT -5
If we’re being honest, our second half of the season has been pretty unimpressive to the national FCS fan. We played close games against Bryant and Lafayette. The one decent team we played, we won by one in OT at home. If I’m an FCS fan in Fargo, I’m not impressed. True, after the Dobbs injury (not saying it’s the only factor) we’ve been unimpressive. Defeating patsies (by larger and smaller margins) and pushed to the max by bubble-team Fordham. On another point, the committee shows plenty of respect to eastern football. IMHO. The CAA may have five selectees (and I’m not confident we can beat any of them at this point). The PL, and deservedly so, is poorly regarded. The PL may be "poorly regarded" but not unfairly. We've gotten our due when deserved. Colgate -- SEED at 10-1 in 2018. Unlike this year, there was no good 2nd place team in the PL then. Fordham - received multiple at-large bids last decade, getting rewarded for FBS wins and wins over CAA opponents, as well as dominating the PL. Holy Cross - rewarded with opening round home game last year, despite getting thumped by Harvard and Merrimack. And even during the era of a 16 team playoff field, the league received at-large bids several times. Probably didn't hurt that Colgate making the natty was a recent memory at that point.
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Post by Chu Chu on Nov 20, 2022 11:37:46 GMT -5
Wow! Those horses can't be good for the field!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 20, 2022 11:44:03 GMT -5
Here's my go at it...
Automatic Qualifiers (11): Davidson, Eastern Kentucky, Gardner-Webb, Holy Cross, Sacramento State, Samford, Saint Francis, South Dakota State, Southeast Missouri State, Southeastern Louisiana, William & Mary
At-Larges (13) in order of confidence: Montana State, North Dakota State, Incarnate Word, Furman, Weber State, Richmond, Elon, UNH, North Dakota, Fordham, UC Davis, Chattanooga, Delaware
Bracket:
SEMO @ Chattanooga to #1 Sacramento State Gardner Webb @ Richmond to #8 Incarnate Word North Dakota @ Weber State to #4 NDSU EKU @ SE LA to #5 Samford
Davidson @ Elon to #2 South Dakota State Fordham @ UNH to #7 Holy Cross Saint Francis @ Delaware to #3 Montana State UC Davis @ Furman to #6 William & Mary
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Post by cruskater31 on Nov 20, 2022 11:44:59 GMT -5
We may have to start targeting more CAA schools for the OOC and fewer NEC and Ivy. NEC and Ivy wins unlikely to help this time of year. At the same time, we’d also want to become more flexible with 5th years and transfers and get to max schollies. Agreed! I think keeping an Ivy on the schedule is fine for tradition (as long as it is a team projected to win the league, which usually equates to 8-9 wins and a sniff of the top 25). We need to substitute CAA teams like UNH back into the slot over the NEC and a 2nd Ivy. Potential Matchups: Vs. W&M, toss-up; at W&M 3 pt dogs. Vs. UNH 7 point fav Vs. Richmond toss-up Vs. URI 10 point fav Vs. Delaware 3 point fav Vs. St Francis 7 point fav Vs. Elon 3 point fav Vs. Samford toss-up, at Sam 3 pt dog Vs. Chattanooga toss-up Vs. Fordham toss-up Vs. YSU 3 pt fav.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2022 12:14:48 GMT -5
Very Cool. No major league pro teams in Montana. FCS is the Show in Big Sky country. Love it.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2022 12:20:31 GMT -5
True, after the Dobbs injury (not saying it’s the only factor) we’ve been unimpressive. Defeating patsies (by larger and smaller margins) and pushed to the max by bubble-team Fordham. On another point, the committee shows plenty of respect to eastern football. IMHO. The CAA may have five selectees (and I’m not confident we can beat any of them at this point). The PL, and deservedly so, is poorly regarded. The PL may be "poorly regarded" but not unfairly. We've gotten our due when deserved. Colgate -- SEED at 10-1 in 2018. Unlike this year, there was no good 2nd place team in the PL then. Fordham - received multiple at-large bids last decade, getting rewarded for FBS wins and wins over CAA opponents, as well as dominating the PL. Holy Cross - rewarded with opening round home game last year, despite getting thumped by Harvard and Merrimack. And even during the era of a 16 team playoff field, the league received at-large bids several times. Probably didn't hurt that Colgate making the natty was a recent memory at that point. I thought HC bought the home game last year by submitting a higher bid than Sacred Heart.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 20, 2022 12:22:02 GMT -5
Until we figure out the next league option for HC athletics, I think if we can play two winnable FBS games per year, 2 CAA, and 1 Ivy, years when we have 12 games, add a team from the Valley or another Ivy.
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Post by deep Purple on Nov 20, 2022 12:24:10 GMT -5
JMO - Don't think Delaware or Montana should get in with four fcs losses. Should be a disqualifier.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2022 12:25:19 GMT -5
If we were allowed to host a first round game last season, why not this one ? The seeds all host their first game in the second round. The first round games are hosted by the highest bidder which made the Fordham AD's statement about being advised Fordham would not be hosting curious.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 20, 2022 12:26:55 GMT -5
It seems HC has done quite nicely with the schedule it has had. IMO HC has a perfectly fine schedule. Scheduling CAA largely state universities is similar to attempting to game USNWR rankings. Why should HC allow others to determine its choices as to scheduling or academic policies. This is another example of the tail wagging the dog. HC is a small Jesuit liberal arts college which competes against other similar high academic colleges in the PL and in some of its OOC games. I admit to a bias in that I could not care less about competing against FCS state universities. Our brief membership in the Yankee Conference was rightfully met with a collective yawn.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2022 12:28:02 GMT -5
Until we figure out the next league option for HC athletics, I think if we can play two winnable FBS games per year, 2 CAA, and 1 Ivy, years when we have 12 games, add a team from the Valley or another Ivy. For there to be a next league option in our lifetimes we have to keep eating our Wheaties.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 20, 2022 12:29:46 GMT -5
Scheduling CAA largely state universities is similar to attempting to game USNWR rankings. Why should HC allow others to determine its choices as to scheduling or academic policies. This is another example of the tail wagging the dog. HC is a small Jesuit liberal arts college which competes against other similar high academic colleges in the PL and some OOC games. You must have hated the Buffalo game and win.
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Post by efg72 on Nov 20, 2022 12:32:40 GMT -5
It is about allowing our student-athletes to compete at a level that best addresses the program's goals.
It certainly hasn't hurt Villanova, Richmond, William and Mary among others
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 20, 2022 12:32:56 GMT -5
It seems HC has done quite nicely with the schedule it has had. IMO HC has a perfectly fine schedule. Scheduling CAA largely state universities is similar to attempting to game USNWR rankings. Why should HC allow others to determine its choices as to scheduling or academic policies. This is another example of the tail wagging the dog. HC is a small Jesuit liberal arts college which competes against other similar high academic colleges in the PL and some OOC games. I admit to a bias in that I could not care less about competing against FCS state universities. Our brief membership in the Yankee Conference was rightfully met with a collective yawn. Most of our peer small liberal arts colleges are D-3. That's the rub. While seeing the PL as the best current league choice, I support any HC sport that can compete against higher competition, scheduling higher competition.
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Post by hcpride on Nov 20, 2022 12:35:23 GMT -5
Until we figure out the next league option for HC athletics, I think if we can play two winnable FBS games per year, 2 CAA, and 1 Ivy, years when we have 12 games, add a team from the Valley or another Ivy. Don’t know why we’d play Ivies if CAA games are available but otherwise that sounds reasonable.
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Post by mm67 on Nov 20, 2022 12:41:04 GMT -5
Scheduling CAA largely state universities is similar to attempting to game USNWR rankings. Why should HC allow others to determine its choices as to scheduling or academic policies. This is another example of the tail wagging the dog. HC is a small Jesuit liberal arts college which competes against other similar high academic colleges in the PL and some OOC games. You must have hated the Buffalo game and win. Hi. Actually, hate? Nah. I have no problem scheduling a game or two against state universities,U Mass/UConn for example. Service academies? Great. My point was that a steady diet of games against CAA state schools solely to achieve higher rankings was not consistent with HC's profile. Why allow the opinion of others determine HC's choices in the extreme? HC is in a good spot which should be valued. Peace.
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Post by Dean Wormer on Nov 20, 2022 13:04:29 GMT -5
Locking this since this is no longer a way too early Playoff Seeding ... unless you are talking about the 2023 bracket.
Use the 2022 FCS Playoff thread I just created.
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