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Post by efg72 on Oct 10, 2022 17:05:43 GMT -5
Makes the case for looking at future options As the NCAA conference setup continues to evolve we need to have some plan so when the music stops we have the best seat for our great school. Could be the PL, CAA, or a variety of other options I hear ya....but if the game plan for Lafayette is not only to beat the Pards but beat them badly i.e. leaving starters in (as we did yesterday) well after the game has been decided, to run up the score....I'm starting tio have a problem with that. Your mileage may vary.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 10, 2022 17:10:26 GMT -5
No problem with the score but Starters could have come out at halftime or after the first series
If the subs put 3 or 4 more scores on the board i wouldn't be upset
Subs scoring is part of their development and if the opponent cant stop our 3 and 4th level on the depth chart that is on them
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Post by hc87 on Oct 10, 2022 17:15:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a quibble of mine and maybe it was "payback" for the Spring 2021 PL Championship fiasco that BU pulled....but we should in general be above the "running up the score" culture imo.....as Holy Cross, we should be bettah than that.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Oct 10, 2022 17:23:36 GMT -5
Subs played entire fourth quarter and part of the third; no problem with that whatsoever.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 10, 2022 17:27:49 GMT -5
I'm not saying we did run it up.....we probably could have won 85-0 actually.....but there was absolutely no need for any HC starters to play at all in the 2nd H yesterday....say Sluka took a bad/misfortunate hit and was injured....why was he in there?
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Post by mm67 on Oct 10, 2022 17:28:11 GMT -5
A departed dear friend was a Penn grad. We went to Fitton and watched HC pile up a big score against them. He was not a happy Quaker. It was the size of the rout more than the loss which ticked him off. He said little. Next time at Franklin Field Penn equaled the HC point total in the first game in the first half. HC was hapless and did not score in the first half. I do not remember the final score but it was a rout. They eased up. We both laughed. Payback is a dog.
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Post by breezy on Oct 10, 2022 17:29:32 GMT -5
I think Chesney did the right thing. The starters playing in the 3rd quarter was not a big deal; subs got plenty of time on the field. I actually think that pulling the starters at the start of the 3rd quarter could reasonably be construed as insulting to the Bucknell players.
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Post by mm67 on Oct 10, 2022 17:30:11 GMT -5
I'm not saying we did run it up.....we probably could have won 85-0 actually.....but there was absolutely no need for any HC starters to play at all in the 2nd H yesterday....say Sluka took a bad/misfortunate hit and was injured....why was he in there? Also, the play calling left me cold.
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Post by cmo on Oct 10, 2022 17:35:56 GMT -5
Sluka and many other key starters were pulled following our second drive of the 3rd quarter (beginning at 4:50). Not like they touched the field in the 4th quarter at all, so they played about 10-12 minutes of the second half. Don't think that is significant. Not one HC starter on either side of the field should have stepped on the playing field at PP yday in the 2nd H....our 2nd string guys are bettah than Bucknell's starters mostly. Eh, got to be careful with that. Pull guys vs Bucknell, bye week, pull guys vs Lehigh and Lafayette and all of a sudden it’s the 4th quarter vs Fordham and you haven’t played a full game in a month. “Why don’t you go in the other locker room as ask why they gave up 63.”
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Post by hcpride on Oct 10, 2022 17:39:53 GMT -5
At least Bucknell was smart enough to burn the clock and refrained from the wacky and repeated downfield throws that more foolish teams would have attempted. 33 rushes (for 109 yards) and just 15 passing attempts (for 60 yards).
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Post by hcgrad94 on Oct 10, 2022 17:42:57 GMT -5
I'm not saying we did run it up.....we probably could have won 85-0 actually.....but there was absolutely no need for any HC starters to play at all in the 2nd H yesterday....say Sluka took a bad/misfortunate hit and was injured....why was he in there? What exactly are you saying….we ran it up but we didn’t run it up? I’m going to go with Coach Chesney’s judgement over some guy who couldn’t be bothered to go and support the team on this one.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2022 17:49:42 GMT -5
That could be mitigated if our opponents win their games.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 10, 2022 17:49:43 GMT -5
We ran 35 offensive plays in the second half. 26 were rushes. We attempted one pass in the 4th.
Starters didn’t touch the field for the entire 4th quarter.
I’m not really sure what Chesney should have done? Dives right into the line?
The HC 2s and 3s are better than the Bucknell ones. As you like to say, it is what it is.
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Post by hc87 on Oct 10, 2022 17:51:12 GMT -5
I'm not saying we did run it up.....we probably could have won 85-0 actually.....but there was absolutely no need for any HC starters to play at all in the 2nd H yesterday....say Sluka took a bad/misfortunate hit and was injured....why was he in there? What exactly are you saying….we ran it up but we didn’t run it up? I’m going to go with Coach Chesney’s judgement over some guy who couldn’t be bothered to go and support the team on this one. Some guy who couldn't be bothered to go to a bloodbath Saturday....I was in Allston last week, were you there? I don't have to continue to prove my HC bona fides to you....why are you always looking for a scrap?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 10, 2022 17:52:37 GMT -5
"Having" to win by 40-50 points versus Lafayette, Lehigh and GTown to keep pace in the FCS polls leaves a bad taste in my mouth....just seems like bad form imo...seriously, what's the point of this football league if we're expected to win by such margins??? Ask the Fordham Rams. They score far more than HC.
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Post by bfoley82 on Oct 10, 2022 17:54:22 GMT -5
Franklin Pierce, just over the State line in NH, must have brought more fans to Polar than Bucknell or Colgate. Smart scheduling by the Hounds. Does Merrimack get to Polar first to play Assumption or HC? Or do the Warriors now insist all games against D-2 opponents be at their little stadium? Stonehill is another option since they are D-1 now...
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 10, 2022 18:29:23 GMT -5
Forget about just getting a seed. I'm vying for the 4 seed. Have to take care of business each game and ensure we don't drop a spot because we are almost caught sleeping in a game.
I am less concerned about running up the score than I am with starters getting hurt unnecessarily in the 2nd half of a game that is already out of reach. With Fordham's offense I expect Sluka and co. will play the whole game (although I hope we can put in backups) but for our other games we should take the starters out when it makes sense (or at least no more planned runs with Sluka when we are up 28!). As to the score, our backups will score as well against teams like Bucknell, Lehigh, and Bryant. Even if we leave Sluka in through the 3rd, we are getting reps in at different times and with different personnel packages. If Bucknell has a problem with it or the redshirts they can drop football! I'll take my redshirts
Excited to watch #1 and #2 play next weekend while we are on bye. Go SD Jacks!
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 10, 2022 18:33:10 GMT -5
Trust me - no one in Worc will ever give a rat's ass about Stonehill FB.
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 10, 2022 18:40:50 GMT -5
Polls don’t mean diddley squat. Winning in the playoffs counts. They don’t help for seeding? Human polls mean nothing for any NCAA Tournament seeding. Not considered. One of the selection criteria for the committee is strength of schedule, which will be the one piece of HC's resume, should HC be in the mix, that will hamper their profile unfortunately. Nothing the HC coaches or players can do about how their opponents perform the rest of the season, so their job is to go out and beat the team in front of them. But if one looks at this objectively, the only team HC can afford to lose to the rest of the way is Fordham and not have it significantly hurt where they'll ultimately be seeded if and when that time comes. I don't recall where HC was predicted in the playoff bracket in 2009 after clinching the league title vs. Lafayette but before going and having a dud at Bucknell the following week, but that loss was a killer. HC had already lost earlier in the year to an under-.500 Brown team which I do recall being discussed as a "bad" loss.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 10, 2022 18:42:39 GMT -5
I don’t want us to be running up the score unnecessarily but there is a lot that goes into it. It’s hard to find the right balance between doing what’s right for your team and keeping scores reasonable. I thought the balance was okay on Saturday. We have a bye next week. We played the starters two series on offense in the second half. We passed the ball once in the 4th on 3rd and long. I was more bothered by the end of the Yale game when we kept our foot on the gas until the very end.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 10, 2022 18:50:07 GMT -5
Franklin Pierce, just over the State line in NH, must have brought more fans to Polar than Bucknell or Colgate. Smart scheduling by the Hounds. Does Merrimack get to Polar first to play Assumption or HC? Or do the Warriors now insist all games against D-2 opponents be at their little stadium? Stonehill is another option since they are D-1 now... No value in putting Stonehill on the schedule unless they are a new PLmember
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Post by mm67 on Oct 10, 2022 18:51:33 GMT -5
Don't want to engage in damned if you win, damned if you lose rhetoric. But, IMHO dive plays run by the 2nd & 3rd string players would have been fine in the late 3rd and entire 4th quarter. I hope HC was not attempting to pile up points to improve its FCS ranking. However, Chesney is a great coach. I must defer to his judgement.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 10, 2022 19:03:19 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s right to put in a second or third team player and ask him not to try to score. The subs want their time in the spotlight and they want to impress the coaches . You eat up the clock and suppress the score with running plays after 29 seconds, right?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 10, 2022 19:07:54 GMT -5
Stonehill is another option since they are D-1 now... No value in putting Stonehill on the schedule unless they are a new PLmember They won't be. I would have no issue seeing Stonehill on the football schedule...as long as we win handily I do feel the potential for a mini-rivalry is more present with Merrimack. Would love to see us battle them in football, hockey, hoops and lax more often than not.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 10, 2022 19:11:01 GMT -5
^
And you will, as there is multi-year, multi-sport arrangement with Merrimack in place.
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