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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 27, 2016 17:37:28 GMT -5
Speaking of Charles, how good has he been over the last three games? Seems like it's only a matter of time before he knotches a triple-double.
I'd be content with splitting on the road against Albany and UNH. They will be favored in both games.
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Post by ncaam on Nov 27, 2016 17:38:50 GMT -5
Men's Basketball Falls To Loyola (Ill.) 76-73 Holy Cross Athletics 11-19-2009
WORCESTER, Mass. – Aric Van Weelden hit a three-point field goal as time expired to lift Loyola (Ill.) to a 76-73 victory over the Holy Cross men’s basketball team at the Hart Center. The Crusaders led 73-65 with one minute remaining, before the Ramblers scored the final 11 points of the game to come back for the win. Holy Cross falls to 0-3 overall with the loss, while Loyola improves to 2-1 on the season. The score was close throughout a first half which featured three ties and six lead changes. Neither team led by more than five points in the opening half, before the Crusaders took a 34-30 lead into the locker room. Holy Cross would increase its lead to nine points early in the second half, taking a 45-36 advantage on a layup by sophomore guard Mike Cavataio (Forest Hills, N.Y.) with 15:50 left to play. Loyola responded with a 10-2 spurt of its own to pull within one point (47-46) at the 12:09-mark, and was still down by just one (64-63) with three minutes remaining. Holy Cross then used a 9-2 run to go back up by eight points with one minute left in the game. But the Crusaders missed all four of their free throw attempts in the final minute, as the Ramblers hit their last four shots to rally for the victory. Junior guard Andrew Beinert (Floral Park, N.Y.) led Holy Cross with 17 points, six rebounds and six assists, while sophomore guard Devin Brown (Baltimore, Md.) added 16 points. Cavataio finished the night with 14 points and four assists, and sophomore guard R.J. Evans (Salem, Conn.) added 11 points and five rebounds. Loyola was led by Walt Gibler with 17 points and eight rebounds, and Marcus Thomas with 16 points on five-of-seven shooting from three-point range. As a team, the Ramblers hit 12-of-22 three-point shots (54.4 percent).
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 27, 2016 17:43:38 GMT -5
Speaking of Karl Charles---no doubt he has "knocked the rust off" after the slow start. If you like the Ken Pomeroy analyses KC's "O-ratings" have progressed as follows
SC= 76 SYR = 83 UMass= 118 Harv= 104 SC ST= 139 Monm= 191
His number for last season was a very good 102.1 This year to date he is at an outstanding 123.7
Yes--this is just offense, only part of the game
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 27, 2016 17:50:00 GMT -5
No luck at all there. Ask most posters who were at the game, I was given an assist on the play! I have to say that when KC made that shot, I was positive that was a game winner and thought that would have crushed Monmouth. Such a heartbreaker as we played these guys toe-to-toe for 99.9% of the game and as one poster said after the game "this was an opportunity lost." Some of the "suspects" who made mistakes at the end of the game, played so well during the rest of the game that we would not have been that close had they played at their usual level. KC's stat line was outstanding: 4 of 6 FGs, 3 of 4 3 pointers, 1 of 2 FTs (2 for 2 of course would have been better), 7 rebs with 2 being the only 2 o-boards on the day, 8 assists/0 turnovers!!!, 1 block and 1 steal. Matt H not bad either: 4 of 7 FGs, all 3s, 4 for 4 FTs, 4 rebs, 2 assists, 1 turnover, 1 block and 2 steals. He is becoming more than serviceable. A lot to like . . . . except the final score!
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 27, 2016 17:57:51 GMT -5
Overall a positive afternoon...We can find fault at the end with a number of people and plays, but on the other side, we have to look at the play of Monmouth. they were relentless in their D..they were bigger than our guards, and overall quicker. I see the game as a great learning tool, hate to see the lose, but I hope the whole program learns from the game..We scored vs a very good team, we defended pretty well (Monmouth is a very good offensive team), we spread out the scoring, 4 players in double figures..and overall took care of the ball..We have to remember it is impossible to shut out a team! They will score, so take it easy on the D...sometimes the other team makes a good play, it happens... As far as what HC does vs pressure, I personally don't like the way we attack. But that is not my call..I do like the offense, the defense, the BLOOB's. and the intensity! After seeing the game yesterday, I really didn't think HC could hang with Monmouth, but they proved me wrong! This team will be fine, and will get better as the season moves on...
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 27, 2016 18:01:28 GMT -5
Just watched some of the very end on replay and says 1455 people watched this video stream. I think that's a lot for us but guessing a lot of people from NJ padded that number.
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Post by jkh67 on Nov 27, 2016 18:13:52 GMT -5
HEARTBREAK. But many positives. We were playing against a top team. Have to work on defending the back end of the 1-3-1. Brady exposed our weakness there. Have to work on inbounding under high pressure. We can't live by the three. We are slowly getting adept at the PO. In the last minute, Coach Scott was actively coaching in the huddles. WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WERE A MEMBER OF THE MAAC LIKE MONMOUTH.Whatever one may think about the Brooks decision to join the Patriot League, there is something to be said for the oft repeated mantra about the company you keep. For a school like HC, sports are more than just athletic endeavors. They are an opportunity to promote your overall brand. From that standpoint, I would much rather be associated with Colgate, Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Army, Navy, and the Ivy League than with the likes of Niagara, Marist, Fairfield, Manhattan, etc. Let's get better in the PL in football and basketball, Then we can start to think about whether other leagues might make more sense for the college. NO MAAC FOR US, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.Switching gears, HC trying to inbound the ball coming down the stretch today was painful to watch. Carmody has been a breath of basketball fresh air over all, but our boys were totally flummoxed. That's on the coaching staff as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 27, 2016 18:44:38 GMT -5
So, so frustrating as the game seemed there for the taking. But as I was repeating over and over after the game - we needed to win at the end; Monmouth was not going to give it to us. Still, I think this game shows the value of this opening schedule. Think back to where the team was one year ago- we are clearly better, certainly not bad for a team without much talent! While the last minute reminded me of the Loyola game, the rest of the game reminded me of something that I could not put my finger on.....until I was almost home. It reminded me of that 2007 Bracketbusters game at Hofstra (1 point loss). That was a game of 2 really good non power conference teams going back and forth at each other, with a heartbreaker at the end. Sure, we need to make improvements (not the least imo, to continue to work on extending the bench), but there is a lot to like. If you had told me before the game Monmouth would score 80, I'd figure for sure it would be a double digit loss. D is still improving (Monmouth really has the inside-outside game, but at least we did a decent job on the perimeter); maybe the shooting is starting to come around. Two tough games ahead, let's see how we bounce back. I'm not crazy about having the smallest guys inbound either, but as was said, I'd be surprised if we had this much trouble again. NOTE: the talent comment is DRIPPING with sarcasm. 
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Post by bigfan on Nov 27, 2016 18:48:28 GMT -5
If we would have a center like Monmouth's Brady we would be the best team in the PL and would win most of our OOC games.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 27, 2016 18:56:06 GMT -5
Anyone else notice that we shot 58.3% beyond the arc (14 of 24) and 55.1% overall (27 of 49)? They won it on the line. While we hit a sterling 9 of 10 from the line, Monmouth made more FTs than we even took and did well themselves hitting 17 of 20 for 85%.We had 23 assists on 27 FGs. That is also outstanding.
Again, outside of the final score, the only stat that counts, we played well until the end.
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Post by lou on Nov 27, 2016 19:14:45 GMT -5
Carm is a great coach and he is an upgrade from what we had, but the end of this game he needed to make adjustments and he didn't respond and close this game out. I am sure he saw his mistakes and I doubt they would happen again in the same situation An upgrade ?? Are you sure you were at this game? Best and most entertaining game at the Hart in a long time IMO
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Nov 27, 2016 19:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by cfrivals on Nov 27, 2016 19:18:30 GMT -5
Yes I was, did you see the breakdown in last minute? Unacceptable with this staff. I am sure Bill is not passing out you played hard cigars!
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Post by hchoops on Nov 27, 2016 19:29:06 GMT -5
Strange that there were only 11 more fans(1565) than on Friday vs So Car. st. Not enough motivation for many students to return a few hours early
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 27, 2016 19:44:21 GMT -5
I have to say that I'm a little dumbfounded in all the confidence in the defense (with the supposed "match-up zone"), despite another game where we allowed the opponent to shoot 50% on FG, and this time tacked on allowing 9 offensive rebounds on just 28 missed shots, and forced only 7 turnovers.
How often can we expect the team to shoot 58% from 3, making 14 of them, to bail out the seemingly endless barrage of layups and easy baskets at the other end?
Re: rebounding, both teams had 19 defensive rebounds, but they missed 7 more shots than us, converting the difference into offensive rebounds.
I feel like I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but just relying on making a ton of 3's and ignoring the little things that lead to W's is not a sustainable formula against good teams.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 27, 2016 19:53:03 GMT -5
I feel like I'm starting to sound like a broken record, Exactly
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 27, 2016 20:03:56 GMT -5
Caro makes a fair point about the defense. Our defensive effective FG% is atrocious (59.7%). We rank 340th in this category.
Four of our six opponents rank inside the top 150. Let's see how the upcoming stretch of games go.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 27, 2016 20:18:07 GMT -5
Kenpom Albany --175 UNH--179
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 27, 2016 20:18:13 GMT -5
Caro makes a fair point about the defense. Our defensive effective FG% is atrocious (59.7%). We rank 340th in this category. Four of our six opponents rank inside the top 150. Let's see how the upcoming stretch of games go. True, but look at who the opponents were..THAT is what affects the numbers..Are we going to see a better team than Monmouth at the Hart Center this season? Maybe Bucknell...are we going to play anybody of the caliber of South Carolina or Syracuse? NO...One has to watch and make the eye test at this point..I see the D as being much better than it was last season and I believe it will show how much better in the PL season....
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Post by hc89 on Nov 27, 2016 20:21:16 GMT -5
Not enough motivation for many students to return a few hours early Student body support was next to non-existent today (save for band and cheerleaders, of course). Too bad. They all missed a really good basketball game. The team could have benefitted from some fellow student support. Does Father Boroughs ever attend basketball games? How about any of the other Jesuits in Residence?
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 27, 2016 20:21:24 GMT -5
Yes I was, did you see the breakdown in last minute? Unacceptable with this staff. I am sure Bill is not passing out you played hard cigars! Coach Carm and staff were not on the court...The players have to execute...It's on them, and give Monmouth some kudos for their D...
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Nov 27, 2016 20:21:29 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 27, 2016 20:21:29 GMT -5
Yes, these first six games to begin the season were the most difficult I can ever remember an HC to heaving. Would think we'd have to go back to the Blaney era to find a tougher beginning to a season.
Although maybe Kearney's lone season began with six more difficult opppnents.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 27, 2016 20:23:54 GMT -5
Yes I was, did you see the breakdown in last minute? Unacceptable with this staff. I am sure Bill is not passing out you played hard cigars! Coach Carm and staff were not on the court...The players have to execute...It's on them, and give Monmouth some kudos for their D... Unless, of course, they weren't put in the best position to brake the press.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 27, 2016 20:24:39 GMT -5
So, so frustrating as the game seemed there for the taking. But as I was repeating over and over after the game - we needed to win at the end; Monmouth was not going to give it to us. Still, I think this game shows the value of this opening schedule. Think back to where the team was one year ago- we are clearly better, certainly not bad for a team without much talent! While the last minute reminded me of the Loyola game, the rest of the game reminded me of something that I could not put my finger on.....until I was almost home. It reminded me of that 2007 Bracketbusters game at Hofstra (1 point loss). That was a game of 2 really good non power conference teams going back and forth at each other, with a heartbreaker at the end. Sure, we need to make improvements (not the least imo, to continue to work on extending the bench), but there is a lot to like. If you had told me before the game Monmouth would score 80, I'd figure for sure it would be a double digit loss. D is still improving (Monmouth really has the inside-outside game, but at least we did a decent job on the perimeter); maybe the shooting is starting to come around. Two tough games ahead, let's see how we bounce back. I'm not crazy about having the smallest guys inbound either, but as was said, I'd be surprised if we had this much trouble again. NOTE: the talent comment is DRIPPING with sarcasm. Nad, did you get to speak with our good friend, ref Bill McCarthy ?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 27, 2016 20:34:09 GMT -5
Hoops, did get to "speak" with him a bit. Speaking of that, hopefully, HCFC45 behaved himself and drove himself right home after the game....he was a bit beside himself!
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Post by HC92 on Nov 27, 2016 20:36:24 GMT -5
Great college basketball game today. Awful finish. Brutal referees. I've heard people talk about Bill McCarthy before but today's crew was really beyond belief. I've tried in my older years to complain less about the refs on the theory that most bad calls even out in the end but there were several calls and non-calls today that were absolutely mind-boggling. Not giving Ant the timeout on the 10-second violation was a total joke. Malachi had great inside position on a box out, Brady was all over him as he had been the entire game and Malachi somehow got called for a foul. The foul on Ant to give them a three point play after they had just tied the game was also borderline criminal. Oh well. Was very happy with most of what I saw today. Monmouth is really good. Wish the students had been there to see it.
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