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Monmouth
Nov 27, 2016 20:59:54 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Nov 27, 2016 20:59:54 GMT -5
Strange that there were only 11 more fans(1565) than on Friday vs So Car. st. Not enough motivation for many students to return a few hours early Place was painfully quiet today
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Monmouth
Nov 27, 2016 21:05:48 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Nov 27, 2016 21:05:48 GMT -5
Coach Carm and staff were not on the court...The players have to execute...It's on them, and give Monmouth some kudos for their D... Unless, of course, they weren't put in the best position to brake the press. Or at least put in position to get the ball in bounds. I never liked the guy running oob to catch the pass and then inbound it. Too many moving parts.
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Post by lou on Nov 27, 2016 21:07:38 GMT -5
I never liked the guy running oob to catch the pass and then inbound it. Too many moving parts. A favorite play of FCRW
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 27, 2016 21:08:40 GMT -5
Coach Carm and staff were not on the court...The players have to execute...It's on them, and give Monmouth some kudos for their D... Unless, of course, they weren't put in the best position to brake the press. Best position or worst position, the players have to produce in that setting..
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Monmouth
Nov 27, 2016 21:12:43 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Nov 27, 2016 21:12:43 GMT -5
Unless, of course, they weren't put in the best position to brake the press. Best position or worst position, the players have to produce in that setting.. If they're put in position, they need to execute. If not, it's on the coach, right? (I'm not saying they were or weren't put in the right position)
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Nov 27, 2016 21:20:25 GMT -5
Unless, of course, they weren't put in the best position to brake the press. Or at least put in position to get the ball in bounds. I never liked the guy running oob to catch the pass and then inbound it. Too many moving parts. I thought we had to try something different to throw off the defense there. But HCBC should've called a TO on the possession where PB got called for 10 seconds. I have never seen a game where we were more owned by the full court press -- hats off to the Hawks. Definitely a missed opportunity today. Monmouth is ranked 11th in the Mid-Major top 25 which is nothing to sneeze at. When you shoot 55% and knock down 14 of 24 three point attempts, YOU HAVE TO WIN. Justin Robinson and Chris Brady would be awesome in an NCAA mid-major version of NBA Jam. Having a center like Brady really completes that team. So glad I went up to that game as I had a feeling it would be a close one and that I would get to see some very good basketball. First time I've been to a pre-New Years game at the Hart in a long time. Just wondering, why didn't they have the women play at noon and the men at 3:00pm? Seems like this would have allowed for more students coming home from Thanksgiving break to attend. Let's face it - most college kids aren't dragging themselves or their parents out of the house at 8 or 9am to get back to campus. I like the idea of M/W doubleheaders but only if the women play first. This ensures that the women's game is most attended in the second half (when they could use the support the most). Otherwise most are going to go the men's game and then leave once it's done.
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Monmouth
Nov 27, 2016 21:25:47 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Nov 27, 2016 21:25:47 GMT -5
Didn't really understand the 3-hour gap between the M and W games. I would have stayed for at least some of the women's game but the 3-hour break made that impossible. And, yes, a later start time for the men's game would have greatly helped student attendance but who knows what might have impacted the start time. Sometimes things are not in our control, particularly when a "tournament" is involved.
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 27, 2016 21:27:53 GMT -5
Best position or worst position, the players have to produce in that setting.. If they're put in position, they need to execute. If not, it's on the coach, right? (I'm not saying they were or weren't put in the right position) There is no way to determine the "right position"....The players HAVE to make it work.."bad coaches" with good players still win..bad players with good coaches not so much... It is so easy to blame the coach, he is in charge..Is the coach always putting the players in the "best position?" In the coaches mind that is happening, and he is the one who is with the players in practice and sees what they can do..In the SCS game on Friday, HC had little trouble overlall vs the press, Ant and PB handled it..What was the difference? the team they played against...If one looks at today's game with an unbiased eye, Monmouth did their job, HC couldn't...because of Monmouth...It is what it is.....
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Post by Ray on Nov 27, 2016 21:28:06 GMT -5
Really tough loss. Maybe a notch below the infamous Mississippi State (RW) and Illinois-Chicago (SK) final-minute debacles, but still an uncommonly bad result after being up, what 6 points with 55 seconds left?
It is very odd that the Monmouth press was so effective against us, when we had essentially two PG on the floor for long stretches. That's unusual.
Monmouth is a very good team. I'm hopeful that this game indicates we are capable of playing at a high level down the road.
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Monmouth
Nov 27, 2016 21:53:29 GMT -5
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Post by cmo on Nov 27, 2016 21:53:29 GMT -5
If they're put in position, they need to execute. If not, it's on the coach, right? (I'm not saying they were or weren't put in the right position) There is no way to determine the "right position"....The players HAVE to make it work.."bad coaches" with good players still win..bad players with good coaches not so much... It is so easy to blame the coach, he is in charge..Is the coach always putting the players in the "best position?" In the coaches mind that is happening, and he is the one who is with the players in practice and sees what they can do..In the SCS game on Friday, HC had little trouble overlall vs the press, Ant and PB handled it..What was the difference? the team they played against...If one looks at today's game with an unbiased eye, Monmouth did their job, HC couldn't...because of Monmouth...It is what it is..... I hear what you're saying, but as a coach, haven't you said to yourself on occasion "what was I thinking there?" or "I should have done/called this." I know I have.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 27, 2016 21:56:49 GMT -5
I have to say that I'm a little dumbfounded in all the confidence in the defense (with the supposed "match-up zone"), despite another game where we allowed the opponent to shoot 50% on FG We give up some easy baskets inside on breakdowns (overplay on the perimeter?) and the poor transition defense (in the last four games, opponents have a 30-4 edge in fast break points) leads to more high-percentage shots, but believe our half-court defense is getting better. Over the last three games, the defensive EFG has been 53% (not great, but significantly improved) and defensive efficiency (points per possession) has been 0.88, which is actually quite good. Don't think anybody is suggesting this team is ever going to be a defensive juggernaut, but there are reasons to be hopeful.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 27, 2016 22:11:02 GMT -5
If they're put in position, they need to execute. If not, it's on the coach, right? (I'm not saying they were or weren't put in the right position) There is no way to determine the "right position"....The players HAVE to make it work.."bad coaches" with good players still win..bad players with good coaches not so much... It is so easy to blame the coach, he is in charge..Is the coach always putting the players in the "best position?" In the coaches mind that is happening, and he is the one who is with the players in practice and sees what they can do..In the SCS game on Friday, HC had little trouble overlall vs the press, Ant and PB handled it..What was the difference? the team they played against...If one looks at today's game with an unbiased eye, Monmouth did their job, HC couldn't...because of Monmouth...It is what it is..... What was the difference? I don't know, maybe that Monmouth is a good mid-major team, and SC State is one of the worst teams in the country? Perhaps another difference might just be that different teams have different presses, different philosophies, and different personnel, all potentially requiring a different gameplan than another opponent. Surely you don't think that we should have just rolled out the same offensive gameplan today as we did on Friday because both teams might run some form of press? I would also challenge the idea that there is no way to determine the "right position" -- If the players are running the offense that the coaches installed against the press, and it's not working, it's not on the players to just magically make it work. It's on the coaches to make adjustments.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 27, 2016 22:51:30 GMT -5
I have to say that I'm a little dumbfounded in all the confidence in the defense (with the supposed "match-up zone"), despite another game where we allowed the opponent to shoot 50% on FG We give up some easy baskets inside on breakdowns (overplay on the perimeter?) and the poor transition defense (in the last four games, opponents have a 30-4 edge in fast break points) leads to more high-percentage shots, but believe our half-court defense is getting better. Over the last three games, the defensive EFG has been 53% (not great, but significantly improved) and defensive efficiency (points per possession) has been 0.88, which is actually quite good. Don't think anybody is suggesting this team is ever going to be a defensive juggernaut, but there are reasons to be hopeful. Over-play on the perimeter, flying past shot fakes on closeouts, allowing too much dribble penetration, having 2+ guys playing the ball because we not fundamentally sound in our assignments guarding good ball movement, breakdowns in communication, weakside defender getting stuck in poor position are some of the symptoms facing our defense right now, and they really get exposed when we play good opponents. Just because we are going to overcome these issues and beat weak opponents does not mean that they should just be ignored, because it'll come back to bite us in the ass in games that matter.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 27, 2016 23:03:41 GMT -5
ANT's slip to the floor was only one miscue. His needing to call time out while trying to inbound as well as his 5 second inbound violation was due mostly to very poor coaching. Our coaches saw several breakdowns of the inbounding at the end and did not sufficiently adjust. This one is definitely on our coaches. Now let's see the extent to which CBC is willing to admit failure on his part. (I'm still a huge fan of his.) ANT was clearly devastated after the game, especially after his having made that crucial 3 late in the game. I feel sorry for him.
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Post by bfoley82 on Nov 27, 2016 23:26:24 GMT -5
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Monmouth
Nov 27, 2016 23:40:43 GMT -5
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Post by dadominate on Nov 27, 2016 23:40:43 GMT -5
ANT's slip to the floor was only one miscue. His needing to call time out while trying to inbound as well as his 5 second inbound violation was due mostly to very poor coaching. Our coaches saw several breakdowns of the inbounding at the end and did not sufficiently adjust. This one is definitely on our coaches. Now let's see the extent to which CBC is willing to admit failure on his part. (I'm still a huge fan of his.) ANT was clearly devastated after the game, especially after his having made that crucial 3 late in the game. I feel sorry for him. i agree completely about the poor defense this season. fortunately, i think it is improving. the collapse is on both players and coaches. the chosen inbounders are a little baffling and the decision to have two tiny players on the court creates some issues on those situations with traps and challenges passing over bigger defenders. however, the coaches DID adjust and ant got the ball in good position to get up the court on the last two inbounds plays. he was 100% responsible for that turnover where he lost control and fell down, there is absolutely nothing the coaches could have done about that critical mistake. ant also dribbled himself into the corner and on the 10 second turnover and demonstrated poor awareness. not sure what the coaches could do there, either, as at least ma appeared open on one of them. devastated or not, his turnovers really hurt us and it is tough to put them on anyone else. fortunately, while there are many holes in his game, ant has generally been very good at breaking the press. while opponents might be licking their chops to press us, i'm hopeful that today was an aberration for our guards.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 27, 2016 23:58:57 GMT -5
I don't consider ANT's 10 second violation part of the "inbounding" problem. Our coaches put enormous pressure on ANT by not setting up the inbounding properly. When you're under that much pressure you tend to make mistakes.
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 28, 2016 0:07:27 GMT -5
I don't consider ANT's 10 second violation part of the "inbounding" problem. Our coaches put enormous pressure on ANT by not setting up the inbounding properly. When you're under that much pressure you tend to make mistakes. I honestly do not see it as a coaching problem. Monmouth's press was simply that suffocating.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 28, 2016 0:28:14 GMT -5
Here's the post game presser. CBC throws his players under the bus. I'm disappointed in CBC:
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Monmouth
Nov 28, 2016 0:41:14 GMT -5
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Post by HC1843 on Nov 28, 2016 0:41:14 GMT -5
Here's the post game presser. CBC throws his players under the bus. I'm disappointed in CBC: What bus? Why are we coddling these young men?
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Post by sarasota on Nov 28, 2016 5:53:02 GMT -5
CBC is coddling himself.
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Post by joe on Nov 28, 2016 6:25:27 GMT -5
Here's the post game presser. CBC throws his players under the bus. I'm disappointed in CBC: Not sure I'm seeing where anyone got thrown under a bus.
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Post by sarasota on Nov 28, 2016 6:36:23 GMT -5
He didn't acknowledge any responsibility for the failed setups of the inbounding at the end.
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Post by lou on Nov 28, 2016 7:02:49 GMT -5
It was less than 2 minutes, I'm sure he said a lot more. He's teaching them, that's what he does
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Post by bigfan on Nov 28, 2016 7:26:33 GMT -5
HC students have "No school spirit", the past few years attendance has been awful. Watch games on tv and see how the other school have better school spirit even if their team stinks.
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