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Post by sader1998 on Dec 1, 2022 7:15:23 GMT -5
Any chance we can garnish the Creighton wages of Marcus Blossom to pay for a BN buyout?
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 1, 2022 7:55:45 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't believe that.
His attitude is "I'm coaching great but they are playing awful."
He has destroyed a once proud program.
Just get OUT.
The College of the Holy Cross destroyed a once proud program. Brett Nelson is just a brick in the wall. This program was "plenty proud" and full of excitement during the Ralph Willard era.
It has been the coaching choices since Ralph left.
The first three hires were poor and the program suffered,
The choice of Nelson has been the worst yet. Antisocial, arrogant, and, as we are all seeing now, totally incompetent.
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Post by gks on Dec 1, 2022 7:59:50 GMT -5
The College of the Holy Cross destroyed a once proud program. Brett Nelson is just a brick in the wall. This program was "plenty proud" and full of excitement during the Ralph Willard era.
It has been the coaching choices since Ralph left.
The first three hires were poor and the program suffered,
The choice of Nelson has been the worst yet. Antisocial, arrogant, and, as we are all seeing now, totally incompetent.
Ralph's time here was an anomaly.
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Post by alumni111 on Dec 1, 2022 8:14:27 GMT -5
I still plan on going to games when my eyes allow me to....I guess I'm just like a wildabeest that just instinctively follows the herd across a river infested with crocodiles. Best simile of the year, Animal Reference Division. I'm going to have to remember that line. Gotta love a Liberal Arts education! :-)
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 1, 2022 8:19:30 GMT -5
This program was "plenty proud" and full of excitement during the Ralph Willard era.
It has been the coaching choices since Ralph left.
The first three hires were poor and the program suffered,
The choice of Nelson has been the worst yet. Antisocial, arrogant, and, as we are all seeing now, totally incompetent.
Ralph's time here was an anomaly. It was. You are absolutely correct.
But, if you don't believe that bringing in a young successful DII coach can bring us to respectability in a reasonably short term (2 years), I think you are mistaken.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 1, 2022 8:25:45 GMT -5
“My kids are not mature, they need to grow up, and I can’t find anyone that’s competitive.” Ya, real class act. 19-69 I’m not happy either and want BN gone today, but it would be fair to point out that his next sentence was that he had to do better as well. You don't fire people because of quotes like that. You fire them because they can't coach.
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Post by alumni111 on Dec 1, 2022 8:34:44 GMT -5
Some quick thoughts if the decision is made in the next three weeks Give the whistle to RJ Pull together a group of seven to ten former players and coaches to address the top five issues with the program that must be fixed for the new coach and players to be successful Get them in place immediately or as soon as possible to attract the right coach Work with the President, AD, and the Athletic Subgroup of the board to inform and gain support and investment for changes Be strategic and surgical in hiring the next coach Build a top OOC schedule that will excite players and fans Sell these changes to the Holy Cross Community and all of Worcester Trip to Europe after summer classes-year one if possible but no later than year two Other items? The more I think about this, the more I realize that after the whistle is given to RJ, ADKH must quickly assemble a "kitchen cabinet" -- no formal committee -- of alum hoops advisors, with a "friend of HC" or two from outside the program. Skew it toward more recent alums (Torey Thomas, for example; RJ would be a given if he weren't already in the program) who can relate to the current climate (transfer portal, NIL, etc.). I think the apathy and disinterest in the program can be overcome if we see that ADKH has assembled a quality group that can start meeting remotely NOW to identify the right candidates for OUR situation and address related issues. We need to start with the right LEADER. There are too many great, smart, committed-to-HC people (again, one or two non-hoops, non-alum participants would be helpful for perspective) choose from not to take advantage of them. NO search firms. NO unwieldy committee. That alone would give me not just hope, but confidence HC can turn this around.
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Post by alumni111 on Dec 1, 2022 8:36:32 GMT -5
I’m not happy either and want BN gone today, but it would be fair to point out that his next sentence was that he had to do better as well. You don't fire people because of quotes like that. You fire them because they can't coach. Agreed, but quotes like that are an indication of someone who can't coach. Coaching involves WAY more than X's and O's.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 1, 2022 8:41:40 GMT -5
We should all be prepared when the time comes for ADKH to hire our next coach, he will bring on Parker Executive Search. This is the search firm HC used when they hired Kit Hughes. It’s all very incestuous, but this is how the game is run these days.
Let’s hope this doesn’t happen.
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Dec 1, 2022 8:42:56 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Dec 1, 2022 8:42:56 GMT -5
You don't fire people because of quotes like that. You fire them because they can't coach. Agreed, but quotes like that are an indication of someone who can't coach. Coaching involves WAY more than X's and O's. Seems odd to say on Nov 30 of Year 4 that we need to find out who is competitive in our next game. Seems like something we should know. But, not sure what he can say in that interview. “We suck. I suck. We’ve won one D1 OOC game since I got here so we have to go back to the drawing board 3+ years in because I still have no idea what will work with the team I’ve recruited.” That would be true and garner him some respect but not really something he can say.
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Post by football44 on Dec 1, 2022 9:11:07 GMT -5
Brett Nelson must be crying himself to sleep each night, realizing, after great success as a player and being an assistant at a successful program, that “I don’t have what it takes to be a head basketball coach”. He’s still young- where does he go from here? Ky who cares. He can take his a-- back to West Virginia as far as I'm concerned. You want to know why he can't get kids to play for him, keep berating them on TV after a loss like last night. What an embarrassment!!
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Post by football44 on Dec 1, 2022 9:15:10 GMT -5
Agreed, but quotes like that are an indication of someone who can't coach. Coaching involves WAY more than X's and O's. Seems odd to say on Nov 30 of Year 4 that we need to find out who is competitive in our next game. Seems like something we should know. But, not sure what he can say in that interview. “We suck. I suck. We’ve won one D1 OOC game since I got here so we have to go back to the drawing board 3+ years in because I still have no idea what will work with the team I’ve recruited.” That would be true and garner him some respect but not really something he can say. No but I can say it and will continue to say it "he sucks"!!! I've been saying this for over a year now. Thank you Marcus Blossom for this disaster.
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 1, 2022 9:18:34 GMT -5
This program was "plenty proud" and full of excitement during the Ralph Willard era.
It has been the coaching choices since Ralph left.
The first three hires were poor and the program suffered,
The choice of Nelson has been the worst yet. Antisocial, arrogant, and, as we are all seeing now, totally incompetent.
Ralph's time here was an anomaly. In the 65 years of HC hoops from ‘44-‘45 to ‘08-‘09, there were only 8 coaches and only one (Bill Raynor) with a losing record, the only coach in that time period whose record was an anomaly. In the 28 years of HC hoops from ‘94-‘95, there have been 6 coaches and only one with a winning record (Ralph Willard), whose record in that time period is anomalous. Just as with football which struggled for the most part from 1992 to 2017, HC can make the losing seasons (and coaches with a losing record) the anomaly once again with the right coaching selection. It can be done with the right selection process.
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Post by Tom on Dec 1, 2022 9:35:52 GMT -5
This disaster will have many collateral casualties. Sadly, the assistants made a career mistake by joining Brett Nelson's staff. Obviously, a program does not hire from within a losing team. Assistants may have a tough time finding another job in college basketball. Selling insurance looms for some. Doubt if many players would return to a Nelson coached team. Expect Batchelder to transfer out. As of necessity there will be a thorough house cleaning. It is a very sad bordering on tragic situation. (Of course it's basketball not the war in Ukraine but still...) mm- I think we're down to a less than 10% chance Brett Nelson coaches in the fall of 2023, maybe not the winter of 2023, either. And I think I can safely say that no one will depart Holy Cross because Brett Nelson is no longer leading them. In 2022 - or 2023 - that is a bold statement. Players left when Coach Carmody left even though they had to sit a year. Now they can jump in and play next season with no waiting period
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 1, 2022 9:40:47 GMT -5
And to go back to an old quote that comes from baseball..."We finished last with you. We can finish last without you." I believe these players are going through a lot together and they may well draw strength from that bond.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 1, 2022 10:09:54 GMT -5
If Nelson is fired after the last game, players will enter the portal well before a new coach is named. The new coach will have to recruit those, if any, he wants to remain. That is if they have not committed to another school by then.
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 1, 2022 10:24:58 GMT -5
If Nelson is fired after the last game, players will enter the portal well before a new coach is named. The new coach will have to recruit those, if any, he wants to remain. Such a great point, hoops.
Another reason to act now or certainly before the PL season begins.
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Harvard
Dec 1, 2022 10:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Dec 1, 2022 10:38:38 GMT -5
If Nelson is fired after the last game, players will enter the portal well before a new coach is named. The new coach will have to recruit those, if any, he wants to remain. I think that’s true for those who might find a scholarship to play basketball elsewhere. We have several who likely would not have such an opportunity and may well be happy not to enter the portal and to preserve their scholarship.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 1, 2022 10:54:00 GMT -5
To be brutally honest, it's more than several; it's the majority.
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Dec 1, 2022 12:47:30 GMT -5
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Post by jaredcurry on Dec 1, 2022 12:47:30 GMT -5
If Nelson is fired after the last game, players will enter the portal well before a new coach is named. The new coach will have to recruit those, if any, he wants to remain. That is if they have not committed to another school by then. They wont enter the portal, you can trust in that.
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Post by Crosser on Dec 1, 2022 13:02:22 GMT -5
I know that this is apples to oranges but in baseball when an MLB manager is fired mid season - a not uncommon occurrence, the team frequently begins to immediately play better. Sometimes much better. I’m not necessarily saying that would happen with our team, but you never know. They certainly wouldn’t do any worse.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 1, 2022 13:10:48 GMT -5
Those were great games He could recruit, prepare, and adjust League was multiple times better than it is today Need a new coach and a new league asap, I don't buy the academic association nonsense- our academic standing doesn't need the other carpetbaggers Does it hurt Vanderbilt in the classroom to be in the SEC or Northwestern in the Big 10?
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Post by hchoops on Dec 1, 2022 13:28:33 GMT -5
I know that this is apples to oranges but in baseball when an MLB manager is fired mid season - a not uncommon occurrence, the team frequently begins to immediately play better. Sometimes much better. I’m not necessarily saying that would happen with our team, but you never know. They certainly wouldn’t do any worse. See Phillies, Philadelphia, 2022
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Post by hc87 on Dec 1, 2022 13:59:21 GMT -5
There are 2 non-seniors on the rostah who may get a sniff if they entered the portal imo....Montgomery and Batchelder....maybe Coulibaly. Rough day at school....needed to vent a little anger
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Post by pcfriar on Dec 1, 2022 14:28:25 GMT -5
Understand Gates is trying to preserve a year of eligibility play football for HC. Go easy on Nelson -- He literally has bottomed out. Headed to the top now HC fans. The best is yet to come Patience is a virtue...remember? Holy Cross is a football school now! Pretty soon it will be like PC and instead of dropping baseball it will be basketball!
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