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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 17, 2023 11:29:10 GMT -5
Thanks, MW How about Bucknell ? I think you mean, how about Lehigh?
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Post by midwestsader05 on Aug 17, 2023 11:41:12 GMT -5
Updated
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 17, 2023 12:44:16 GMT -5
Based on this ranking, Fordham and Merrimack have the best chances of all our eleven opponents of appearing in the FCS playoffs. I will say Merrimack has the better chance at this point before any games have been played. Unlikely lightning will strike twice and the PL will have two bids again this year. But a PL team has a shot at an at large berth with a competitive OOC schedule and a 9-2 record.
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Post by lehighowl on Aug 17, 2023 21:22:59 GMT -5
Per my due diligence thus far, I would rank the following 2023 opponents the following based on just the pure talent alone: 1) BC - I think there’s a lack of respect on this board currently on P5 talent. We shall see. 2) Army 3) Yale 4) Tie Harvard or Fordham - whichever gets more consistent Play from their new QB, but both have plenty of returning pieces to be in contention for conference titles 5) Merrimack - IMO they would be preseason 3rd in the PL 6) Laffy and Colgate - I tend to lean Laffy if their QB #14 can stay healthy all year. QB Brescia at Colgate needs to show he can move the ball vertically downfield instead of just being the primary power RB. 7) Lehigh 8) Bucknell and G’Town Lehigh still has good talent 1-35 but depth is lacking. I think the Mountain Hawks are considerably more talented than Colgate at this point and arguably more athletically gifted than Lafayette based on how bad Lehigh outplayed them last year yet still found a way to lose. An upgrade in coaching will pay dividends immediately. The question is how much? There have been cases of pretty drastic turnaround in the PL. I think 6 wins is possible in Bethlehem if Cahill and Hunt find their footing. Villanova, picked 7th in the CAA, is a great barometer to start the year.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 18, 2023 6:14:50 GMT -5
Per my due diligence thus far, I would rank the following 2023 opponents the following based on just the pure talent alone: 1) BC - I think there’s a lack of respect on this board currently on P5 talent. We shall see. 2) Army 3) Yale 4) Tie Harvard or Fordham - whichever gets more consistent Play from their new QB, but both have plenty of returning pieces to be in contention for conference titles 5) Merrimack - IMO they would be preseason 3rd in the PL 6) Laffy and Colgate - I tend to lean Laffy if their QB #14 can stay healthy all year. QB Brescia at Colgate needs to show he can move the ball vertically downfield instead of just being the primary power RB. 7) Lehigh 8) Bucknell and G’Town Lehigh still has good talent 1-35 but depth is lacking. I think the Mountain Hawks are considerably more talented than Colgate at this point and arguably more athletically gifted than Lafayette based on how bad Lehigh outplayed them last year yet still found a way to lose. An upgrade in coaching will pay dividends immediately. The question is how much? There have been cases of pretty drastic turnaround in the PL. I think 6 wins is possible in Bethlehem if Cahill and Hunt find their footing. Villanova, picked 7th in the CAA, is a great barometer to start the year. If it turns out Lehigh did indeed hire the right coach, I could see this being a very positive transition year for the program, with 2024 being a year the Mountain Hawks contend for the conference title.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 18, 2023 7:37:56 GMT -5
Georgetown's roster includes 15 who are either graduate students, fifth years, transfers in, or redshirts (juniors).
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 18, 2023 7:53:43 GMT -5
Great. Brings back memories of my Ohio days when the locals were impressed when a Buckeye student graduated in 4 years!!😂
In fairness, the logic was that the school was so large and classes “over-subscribed” that it was extremely difficult to schedule the courses necessary for your major/courses needed to graduate.
But that’s probably not why Hoyas (or Holy Cross) have 5th years.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Aug 18, 2023 8:45:03 GMT -5
Per my due diligence thus far, I would rank the following 2023 opponents the following based on just the pure talent alone: 1) BC - I think there’s a lack of respect on this board currently on P5 talent. We shall see. 2) Army 3) Yale 4) Tie Harvard or Fordham - whichever gets more consistent Play from their new QB, but both have plenty of returning pieces to be in contention for conference titles 5) Merrimack - IMO they would be preseason 3rd in the PL 6) Laffy and Colgate - I tend to lean Laffy if their QB #14 can stay healthy all year. QB Brescia at Colgate needs to show he can move the ball vertically downfield instead of just being the primary power RB. 7) Lehigh 8) Bucknell and G’Town Lehigh still has good talent 1-35 but depth is lacking. I think the Mountain Hawks are considerably more talented than Colgate at this point and arguably more athletically gifted than Lafayette based on how bad Lehigh outplayed them last year yet still found a way to lose. An upgrade in coaching will pay dividends immediately. The question is how much? There have been cases of pretty drastic turnaround in the PL. I think 6 wins is possible in Bethlehem if Cahill and Hunt find their footing. Villanova, picked 7th in the CAA, is a great barometer to start the year. You could definitely be right. I just based it off of watching film of last year’s HC games, and what each team had returning, but Lehigh could absolutely be in that cohort with Lafayette and Colgate.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 18, 2023 8:50:05 GMT -5
Did Lehigh recruit well the past two seasons ?
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Post by midwestsader05 on Aug 18, 2023 8:58:37 GMT -5
Lehigh still has good talent 1-35 but depth is lacking. I think the Mountain Hawks are considerably more talented than Colgate at this point and arguably more athletically gifted than Lafayette based on how bad Lehigh outplayed them last year yet still found a way to lose. An upgrade in coaching will pay dividends immediately. The question is how much? There have been cases of pretty drastic turnaround in the PL. I think 6 wins is possible in Bethlehem if Cahill and Hunt find their footing. Villanova, picked 7th in the CAA, is a great barometer to start the year. You could definitely be right. I just based it off of watching film of last year’s HC games, and what each team had returning, but Lehigh could absolutely be in that cohort with Lafayette and Colgate. Lehighowl, Could Leach, Sibblis, Burbage and Norris have returned to Lehigh ? It’s unclear from the outside sometimes. That’s one reason I had them one notch behind. Tough transfer losses. For example, Reynolds (Ohio) and Reichwein (Nova) for us were ineligible after playing their 5th years with HC but had medical redshirts from freshman year. Ayir Asante (Wyoming) however could have returned to HC but chose to graduate and play his final year with an air raid FBS offense.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 18, 2023 9:07:23 GMT -5
TG left Kevin Cahill a 2-9 team to turn around. He left Bob Chesney a 4-7 team to turn around, which he did to 5-6. Based on that and the known high quality of Coach Chesney's turn around skills, it is not likely Lehigh is overly well stocked with talent that can be turned into a contender this season. On the other hand it's the PL.
Chesney also did not have to begin his head coaching career at the D-1 level like Cahill will do this season. The former Yale OC certainly has a solid 20 year coaching background but has not been a head coach before Lehigh.
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Post by lehighowl on Aug 18, 2023 10:06:00 GMT -5
TG left Kevin Cahill a 2-9 team to turn around. He left Bob Chesney a 4-7 team to turn around, which he did to 5-6. Based on that and the known high quality of Coach Chesney's turn around skills, it is not likely Lehigh is overly well stocked with talent that can be turned into a contender this season. On the other hand it's the PL. Chesney also did not have to begin his head coaching career at the D-1 level like Cahill will do this season. The former Yale OC certainly has a solid 20 year coaching background but has not been a head coach before Lehigh. But Cahill did bring in former Colgate head coach Dan Hunt as the OC and lead assistant. While I do question Hunt's offensive acumen (or was he "forced" to continue Biddle Ball?), that was generally a smart move from an organizational standpoint! Hunt should also have some additional motivation given how things ended in Hamilton. Gilmore and Brisson were an incompetent/dysfunctional tandem which had a profound effect on the team's moral, ultimate potential. Cahill is the antithesis of Gilmore which has already created a better culture. Lehigh has some very good skill players but Silbor has to develop towards his potential and the OL must be figured out for the wide receivers and running backs to excel. The OL really holds the key to everything on offense. An always strength under Coen (OL coach at heart), Lehigh lost their way in the trenches under Gilmore which was a big reason the offensive struggled to score more than 10 points a game. The defense should be pretty good so long as the new DC (bit sketchy resume) doesn't upset the apple cart. Former DC Mike Kashurba is thankfully still on the staff as the special teams coach so if the defense does need some "help", he's there to assist Nagy. Lehigh suffered an unfortunate twist of fate with Coen's illness. They were posed for big things in 2016-2018 but Coen's tragic illness decimated the program's potential. Then hiring Gilmore (who no one wanted) combined with Covid compounded the unsettled situation. As things stand, I think the new staff reflects the desire to move the program forward with an environment that supports today's student-athlete in a way that returns Lehigh to its winning ways in short order. While Cahaill and Company are facing a big turnaround from a W/L perspective, the close losses last year, modest OOC schedule and talent relative to the PL affords the opportunity for a pretty drastic turnaround. Lehigh is not a difficult place to win if you have a clue. Lehigh continues to invest money into practice facilties/Goodman Stadium. Gilmore was simply THAT bad! Fans were openly chanting "Fire Gilmore" at the Lafayette game last year. That type of stuff rarely, if ever happens at PL sporting events. He was openly despised by the end of his tenure in Bethlehem.
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Post by Ignutz on Aug 18, 2023 14:52:34 GMT -5
Has anyone received a link/email with Season Tickets and Parking Passes? We’re only two weeks away from the opener.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 18, 2023 15:55:17 GMT -5
Not yet.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 18, 2023 16:00:49 GMT -5
I likely will have extra tickets and both field/garage parking for anybody in need
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Post by lehighowl on Aug 18, 2023 16:52:37 GMT -5
You could definitely be right. I just based it off of watching film of last year’s HC games, and what each team had returning, but Lehigh could absolutely be in that cohort with Lafayette and Colgate. Lehighowl, Could Leach, Sibblis, Burbage and Norris have returned to Lehigh ? It’s unclear from the outside sometimes. That’s one reason I had them one notch behind. Tough transfer losses. For example, Reynolds (Ohio) and Reichwein (Nova) for us were ineligible after playing their 5th years with HC but had medical redshirts from freshman year. Ayir Asante (Wyoming) however could have returned to HC but chose to graduate and play his final year with an air raid FBS offense. I'm honestly not sure about some of those specifics! RichH is more well versed in some of the roster construction nuances. I do know Lehigh brought in at least one OL transfer from BC who is expected to contribute immediately. Beyond that I am not sure who could have stayed but opted to leave. Lehigh has always been generous with affording guys a 5th year if they so choose. However, starting grad school at Johns Hopkins, Duke, or a prominent Big 10 school often sways one's decision towards moving on.
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Post by lehighowl on Aug 18, 2023 16:57:22 GMT -5
Did Lehigh recruit well the past two seasons ? Gilmore and staff did recruit fairly well despite the program's subpar performance. I believe that is a testament to the Lehigh's football brand. As I said in another post, the program sells itself in many ways relative to other schools in the Northeast. It simply needs a competent captain to steer the team towards success. If Lehigh is not challenging Fordham and HC next year for PL supremacy I'll be shocked. I think Troxell is a good coach but there are far more institutional hurdles in Easton. Hell, they have not had a winning season (minus Covid spring) since 2009! That's hard to accomplish given how bad the PL has generally been the last several years!
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Post by mm67 on Aug 18, 2023 17:11:37 GMT -5
We all want PL schools to upgrade talent level to provide stiff competition with HC even if it results in an occasional loss. No 5th year non-medical redshirts, as in the IL schools, roster size notwithstanding.Top ranked Yale, Harvard & Princeton can compete on a national level w/o non-med redshirts. PL powerhouse programs can do no less. Need is to keep PL sports in appropriate de-emphasized perspective. PL schools do not exist for football. And, yes %th year non-med redshirts serve the needs of the teams not the academic interests of the students.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 18, 2023 17:33:49 GMT -5
We all want PL schools to upgrade talent level to provide stiff competition with HC even if it results in an occasional loss. No 5th year non-medical redshirts, as in the IL schools, roster size notwithstanding.Top ranked Yale, Harvard & Princeton can compete on a national level w/o non-med redshirts. PL powerhouse programs can do no less. Need is to keep PL sports in appropriate de-emphasized perspective. PL schools do not exist for football. And, yes %th year non-med redshirts serve the needs of the teams not the academic interests of the students. If Fordham started greenshirting players, would HC approve? www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2016/1/28/10842688/ncaa-football-grayshirt-blueshirt-redshirt-rules
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Post by hiltonheadcrusader on Aug 18, 2023 17:59:32 GMT -5
We all want PL schools to upgrade talent level to provide stiff competition with HC even if it results in an occasional loss. No 5th year non-medical redshirts, as in the IL schools, roster size notwithstanding.Top ranked Yale, Harvard & Princeton can compete on a national level w/o non-med redshirts. PL powerhouse programs can do no less. Need is to keep PL sports in appropriate de-emphasized perspective. PL schools do not exist for football. And, yes %th year non-med redshirts serve the needs of the teams not the academic interests of the students. Disagree
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 18, 2023 18:04:44 GMT -5
We all want PL schools to upgrade talent level to provide stiff competition with HC even if it results in an occasional loss. No 5th year non-medical redshirts, as in the IL schools, roster size notwithstanding.Top ranked Yale, Harvard & Princeton can compete on a national level w/o non-med redshirts. PL powerhouse programs can do no less. Need is to keep PL sports in appropriate de-emphasized perspective. PL schools do not exist for football. And, yes %th year non-med redshirts serve the needs of the teams not the academic interests of the students. Did you enjoy the run to the quarters last season?
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Post by mm67 on Aug 18, 2023 18:06:13 GMT -5
We all want PL schools to upgrade talent level to provide stiff competition with HC even if it results in an occasional loss. No 5th year non-medical redshirts, as in the IL schools, roster size notwithstanding.Top ranked Yale, Harvard & Princeton can compete on a national level w/o non-med redshirts. PL powerhouse programs can do no less. Need is to keep PL sports in appropriate de-emphasized perspective. PL schools do not exist for football. And, yes %th year non-med redshirts serve the needs of the teams not the academic interests of the students. If Fordham started greenshirting players, would HC approve? www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2016/1/28/10842688/ncaa-football-grayshirt-blueshirt-redshirt-rulesFive years to play 4 seasons. Is it 5 years or 41/2 years? Spring Term prior to first season plus 3 more seasons.?Do they graduate with their class? The class which matriculates in the September after their enrollment in the previous Winter Semester?All this for FCS football? Why not play 4 years with September enrollment with your graduating class? What best serves the academic interests of the students?
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Post by mm67 on Aug 18, 2023 18:07:11 GMT -5
We all want PL schools to upgrade talent level to provide stiff competition with HC even if it results in an occasional loss. No 5th year non-medical redshirts, as in the IL schools, roster size notwithstanding.Top ranked Yale, Harvard & Princeton can compete on a national level w/o non-med redshirts. PL powerhouse programs can do no less. Need is to keep PL sports in appropriate de-emphasized perspective. PL schools do not exist for football. And, yes %th year non-med redshirts serve the needs of the teams not the academic interests of the students. Did you enjoy the run to the quarters last season? You Devil, you! HA!
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Post by hcpride on Aug 18, 2023 18:27:43 GMT -5
Did Lehigh recruit well the past two seasons ? Gilmore and staff did recruit fairly well despite the program's subpar performance. I believe that is a testament to the Lehigh's football brand. As I said in another post, the program sells itself in many ways relative to other schools in the Northeast. It simply needs a competent captain to steer the team towards success. If Lehigh is not challenging Fordham and HC next year for PL supremacy I'll be shocked. I think Troxell is a good coach but there are far more institutional hurdles in Easton. Hell, they have not had a winning season (minus Covid spring) since 2009! That's hard to accomplish given how bad the PL has generally been the last several years! I’d like to see Lehigh over .500 within the next four years and a reasonable OOC plus the weak PL cellar-dwellers can help get them there. I was not necessarily impressed by Gilmore’s recruiting classes at Lehigh but that is another story. (I think the obvious coaching issues with TG may have obscured the increasing talent and depth issues v a strong recruiting team like HC).
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Post by efg72 on Aug 18, 2023 18:55:40 GMT -5
We all want PL schools to upgrade talent level to provide stiff competition with HC even if it results in an occasional loss. No 5th year non-medical redshirts, as in the IL schools, roster size notwithstanding.Top ranked Yale, Harvard & Princeton can compete on a national level w/o non-med redshirts. PL powerhouse programs can do no less. Need is to keep PL sports in appropriate de-emphasized perspective. PL schools do not exist for football. And, yes %th year non-med redshirts serve the needs of the teams not the academic interests of the students. PL is about chemistry, coaching and talent Unless something is happening out there I think we have all three covered
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