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Post by hchoops on Jun 14, 2023 10:15:29 GMT -5
You say the players of today could beat the Csonka-Little teams. Which players of today ? Georgia ? Holy Cross ? Quite a spread
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 14, 2023 10:23:09 GMT -5
I’d take Holy Cross over ‘66-‘69 Orangemen.
I know you saw those teams. I did too. Feel free to disagree, that’s what Crossports is for. Our guys today are bigger, stronger, faster IMO, than Syracuse was then.
As for the today’s Alabamas, etc., a game against a 60’s Syracuse would be over in the first quarter.
We’ll never know.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 14, 2023 10:23:21 GMT -5
The sizes of these kids are amazing. The linemen are easily 50 pounds heavier than the linemen that played in my day and bigger than Syracuse "back in the day." And these are high school kids. Generally much taller too. Ahhh, genetics? That's why I argue with my Classmates that they were D-1A back in '66-'69 (of course, there was no D-1A, D-1AA) when they think they played superior teams and could beat the Crusader teams of today. According to Sports Reference the 1966, 6-3-1 Crusaders ( wins over BC and ranked Dartmouth) were #38 of 119 teams. So according to you, that would mean only 37 or fewer teams were at a D 1A level.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 14, 2023 10:28:26 GMT -5
I’d take Holy Cross over ‘66-‘69 Orangemen. I know you saw those teams. I did too. Feel free to disagree, that’s what Crossports is for. Our guys today are bigger, stronger, faster IMO, than Syracuse was then. As for the today’s Alabamas, etc., a game against a 60’s Syracuse would be over in the first quarter. We’ll never know. Another way to look at it is Csonka and Little were long time NFL stars. I don’t know if John Mackey also played then, but he is an all time star. I presume those were not the only NFL players. Kalif is a good NFL player - one.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 14, 2023 10:32:08 GMT -5
/\ don't follow. Perhaps I didn't make clear. It was my football classmates that claimed they were/would be D-1A in late 60's. My counterpoint was that no such split existed and outside of Syracuse and before my time, Penn State, the schedule was pretty close since we play Colgate, Harvard, until recently Dartmouth, UConn, UMass, etc. Most of the teams we played then and now would/are D-1AA or like those state schools, SHOULD be D-1AA.
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Post by sader1970 on Jun 14, 2023 10:36:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw Csonka and Little. Larry would make today's NFL but IMHO, not Little.
I'm tapping out to allow others to chime in or ignore. I don't care for the "tennis match" individual back & forths but prefer group discussions. If no one becomes the third (and 4th and 5th man) in, no point in pursuing further.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jun 14, 2023 10:41:53 GMT -5
Let’s please keep this focused on ‘24 recruiting as to not make this a thread tough to find relevant info through several unnecessary pages. DMs are great for the ping pong.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 14, 2023 11:07:54 GMT -5
I'll restate my often repeated position on this: you should judge a player or team against players and teams of the same era. I've used the Herb Elliott example a number of times: he never lost a mile race as an adult (36-0) and broke the world record by 2.7 seconds. Edwin Moses as a hurdler is another good example. In my opinion the fact that many runners today can run a mile faster than Elliott did does not make them better runners.
In basketball and football, players are so much bigger today, equipment is better, training methods have advanced, but in my opinion that does not make today's journeymen better than the stars of the 1920''s or 1940's or 1960's. Using just empirical measures, one could argue that there were no decent fielders on baseball teams of the 1930's--but of course they were trying to catch baseballs using couch pillows strapped to their hands. League fielding averages have gone from .970 in the 1930's to .985 today, meaning the frequency of errors has been cut in half.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 14, 2023 12:20:12 GMT -5
Right on, KY.
Impossible to compare athletes across different eras.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jun 14, 2023 12:28:05 GMT -5
First 10 now off The board: Offer #43 LB Sam Mattingly (TX) - Stanford Offer #18 DB Charlie Comella (MA) - Boston College for both football and baseball. Football was PWO. Unclear whether $$ for baseball.
Commitments picking up some steam. Fingers crossed we have our first in the next couple weeks.
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Post by dharry13 on Jun 14, 2023 12:59:28 GMT -5
Amen Midwest. Let’s keep it to recruiting info.
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Post by alum on Jun 14, 2023 13:22:23 GMT -5
First 10 now off The board: Offer #43 LB Sam Mattingly (TX) - Stanford Offer #18 DB Charlie Comella (MA) - Boston College for both football and baseball. Football was PWO. Unclear whether $$ for baseball.Commitments picking up some steam. Fingers crossed we have our first in the next couple weeks. Maybe after a year at the Heights we can convince him to come to Worcester with a football scholarship and as a PWO for baseball. Maybe his parents can use what would have been his tuition money as a downpayment on a nice place at the Cape.
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Post by dharry13 on Jun 15, 2023 12:47:38 GMT -5
Offer #78 Jordan Pritchard-Sewell DT from OH. 6’2/280 12 offers. Mix of FBS and FCS
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 16, 2023 8:39:23 GMT -5
6'7, 260, Offensive Tackle
Also has offers from Wyoming, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Cornell, Yale, Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan, Bucknell, Idaho, South Dakota, and South Dakota State.
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Post by hchoops on Jun 16, 2023 9:26:30 GMT -5
Where is Carter from ?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jun 16, 2023 9:43:23 GMT -5
Middleton Wisconsin—a suburb of Madison
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jun 16, 2023 9:43:43 GMT -5
A place that produces big farm boys...Wisconsin.
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Post by dharry13 on Jun 16, 2023 15:18:00 GMT -5
Offer #80 Jake Furtney 6'5/235 TE from IL Offers from Northern ILL, Ohio, South Dakota, Central Michigan, Bucknell, Akron, UNH, Lehigh, AF, Lindenwood, Colgate, ILL State, Army
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Post by football44 on Jun 16, 2023 17:27:23 GMT -5
A place that produces big farm boys...Wisconsin. Jackrabbit territory. Just a matter of time that SDS shows up in New England.
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Post by efg72 on Jun 16, 2023 18:04:24 GMT -5
Do we know if any recruits have visited campus for 24 plus hours
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jun 16, 2023 18:25:32 GMT -5
Do we know if any recruits have visited campus for 24 plus hours Official visits (overnights) don’t start for FCS till July 1. However, two of our main competitors (Ivys and the academies) have been hosting recruits on official visits all of June (including many of our offers) Another advantage the Ancient 8 have on the rest of FCS.
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Post by rgs318 on Jun 16, 2023 19:07:51 GMT -5
How are the IVIES able to get away with that?
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Post by efg72 on Jun 16, 2023 20:19:46 GMT -5
Why would the FCS schools accept an additional disadvantage in recruiting and what will it take to equalize the recruiting environment?
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Post by midwestsader05 on Jun 16, 2023 20:40:04 GMT -5
How are the IVIES able to get away with that? Same way there are able to fund way more than 63 equivalencies (80-85) on 120-130 man rosters.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jun 16, 2023 21:40:03 GMT -5
How are the IVIES able to get away with that? I presume because they (and the academies, and Georgetown) do not offer merit scollies.
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