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Post by bison137 on Mar 1, 2023 15:53:36 GMT -5
Matt Langel had six straight losing seasons at Colgate (won 8 games his first season; 10 games in his sixth season) before his first “winning” season in ‘18-‘19. He’s considered a star now. Dave Paulsen had two losing seasons at Bucknell ( 7 wins in first season) before turning things around. How much “patience” will be given to our next coach? 1. Langel inherited a horrible program: 4-10 in the PL and a 314 national ranking. By his third year, they had shown incredible improvement, advancing to #184 in the national rankings. In his fourth year, they went 12-6 in the PL, second place, and were ranked #180. So it really took him three years to turn a horrible program into a fairly good one. 2. In Paulsen's second year, they were 14-16 against a reasonably tough schedule, and came in second in the PL with a 9-5 record. And 8-2 after January 20th. In fact, had they beaten Lehigh the last week, they would have been the one seed. So it's fair to say, he had turned the program around by January of his second year.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 1, 2023 16:01:10 GMT -5
To all: If HC approached you to coach, what reasonable demands would you have for HC before accepting? Fire the AD and the everyone on the search committee that came up with my name as a potential head coach The corollary to "I would never belong to any group that would have someone like me as a member"
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 1, 2023 16:02:04 GMT -5
We've done it, folks! First NAD, now mm67's seemingly endless, near-religious optimism and beatitudes-driven kindness driven to realism and pessimism! HC BBALL TAKES ANOTHER BODY. SOMEBODY CALL THE AUTHORITIES! The funny thing is - outside this forum, I'm one of the most cynical, pessimistic SOBs on the planet in many facets of my life....HC basketball has finally caught up.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 1, 2023 16:05:21 GMT -5
Too funny, NAD. I'd say welcome to the club, but I guess you'd be the one at the door letting me in!
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Post by mm67 on Mar 1, 2023 17:16:22 GMT -5
Of all the names which one is the coach who would most certainly turn the HC program around from losers to winners? Would you hire him? Would he accept?
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Post by crossbball13 on Mar 1, 2023 18:30:19 GMT -5
This is so simple. Paulsen, Paulsen, Paulsen.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 1, 2023 18:32:39 GMT -5
Matt Langel had six straight losing seasons at Colgate (won 8 games his first season; 10 games in his sixth season) before his first “winning” season in ‘18-‘19. He’s considered a star now. Dave Paulsen had two losing seasons at Bucknell ( 7 wins in first season) before turning things around. How much “patience” will be given to our next coach? 2. In Paulsen's second year, they were 14-16 against a reasonably tough schedule, and came in second in the PL with a 9-5 record. And 8-2 after January 20th. In fact, had they beaten Lehigh the last week, they would have been the one seed. So it's fair to say, he had turned the program around by January of his second year. Pardon, Paulsen "turned around" Bucknell? They were in the KenPom Top 100 2-4 years before his arrival, and he inherited a roster with Behan*, Cohen, GW Boon, Castleberry, and Shazier. Night and day vs what he'd be inheriting if Holy Cross made the mistake of hiring him. *If it hasn't already been posted, tremendous segment on Behan's team winning the WCAC while he battles ALS on SVP's Sportscenter last night:
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 1, 2023 18:34:02 GMT -5
This is so simple. Paulsen, Paulsen, Paulsen. Do you know what his record is without a 10+ year NBA player on his roster?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 1, 2023 18:38:12 GMT -5
The talent at Bucknell when Paulsen took over was so-so, even by PL standards. GW Boon really wasn’t all that great. Castleberry a decent scorer and not much else. There’s a reason Bucknell was 12-19 in Flannery’s final season and then only won seven games in Paulsen’s first season.
His first recruiting class had Bryson Johnson, Muscala, and Willman — damn.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2023 18:42:12 GMT -5
Why would you look at what his record was without one of his players?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 1, 2023 18:46:47 GMT -5
Why would you look at what his record was without one of his players? You're a numbers guy -- if he was hired as the head coach at HC, what would you say is the probability that he brings in another 10-year NBA veteran? Now what is the probability that this unicorn stays at HC for all four years and doesn't transfer or enter the draft?
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Post by bison137 on Mar 1, 2023 18:49:38 GMT -5
The talent at Bucknell when Paulsen took over was so-so, even by PL standards. GW Boon really wasn’t all that great. Castleberry a decent scorer and not much else. There’s a reason Bucknell was 12-19 in Flannery’s final season and then only won seven games in Paulsen’s first season. His first recruiting class had Bryson Johnson, Muscala, and Willman — damn. A lot of injuries over those two seasons. Mastropaolo tore his ACL. Linthicum, a 7-footer who was just developing into a potential All-PL center, had a career ending knee injury. Stephen Tyree, who led the team in almost every category as a sophomore, tore an ACL. Vegotsky had a couple of foot injuries. Shazier a sprained ankle.
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Post by crossbball13 on Mar 1, 2023 19:11:24 GMT -5
Why would you look at what his record was without one of his players? You're a numbers guy -- if he was hired as the head coach at HC, what would you say is the probability that he brings in another 10-year NBA veteran? Now what is the probability that this unicorn stays at HC for all four years and doesn't transfer or enter the draft? But he did recruit him. And he wasn’t Paulsen’s only successful recruit. Why discount the guy because he hires good assistants and recruited good players?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 1, 2023 19:32:04 GMT -5
You're a numbers guy -- if he was hired as the head coach at HC, what would you say is the probability that he brings in another 10-year NBA veteran? Now what is the probability that this unicorn stays at HC for all four years and doesn't transfer or enter the draft? But he did recruit him. And he wasn’t Paulsen’s only successful recruit. Why discount the guy because he hires good assistants and recruited good players? Not discounting him for recruiting Muscala. Merely drawing a comparison to how he fared with rosters that are more realistic for what he will have at HC.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 1, 2023 19:36:55 GMT -5
Even if you subtracted Muscala from those Bucknell teams and replaced him with, say, a Joe Willman level player…those were some awesome teams that would still win 20-25 games a year. Could he get guys like Cam Ayers, Bryan Cohen, Bryson Johnson, Joe Willman…along with the many others he gift wrapped to Nate Davis (Zach Thomas, Stephen Thomas, Nana Foullan, etc)? The guy didn’t miss all that much with recruiting.
I may have discounted Paulsen’s ability as an X’s and O’s guy a bit, but he’s really showing a lot with Fordham’s success last year and this year.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 3, 2023 9:27:47 GMT -5
It's going to be a damn shame if this thread reaches page two because Blossom totally botched Nelson's contract and Hughes wasn't able to figure out a way to get out of it.
But, assuming Nelson is done, I'm surprised this name hasn't been mentioned -- Will Brown.
I'd take Paulsen and a few others ahead of him, but I think he's a good coach who's worth looking at.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 3, 2023 10:24:33 GMT -5
It's going to be a damn shame if this thread reaches page two because Blossom totally botched Nelson's contract and Hughes wasn't able to figure out a way to get out of it. But, assuming Nelson is done, I'm surprised this name hasn't been mentioned -- Will Brown. I'd take Paulsen and a few others ahead of him, but I think he's a good coach who's worth looking at. Will Brown made north of 450k at Albany...can HC pay that?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 3, 2023 10:30:58 GMT -5
It's going to be a damn shame if this thread reaches page two because Blossom totally botched Nelson's contract and Hughes wasn't able to figure out a way to get out of it. But, assuming Nelson is done, I'm surprised this name hasn't been mentioned -- Will Brown. I'd take Paulsen and a few others ahead of him, but I think he's a good coach who's worth looking at. Will Brown made north of 450k at Albany...can HC pay that? It wasn't quite that much. He got a five year $1.75mm deal in 2016. So, unless he had a ton of incentives and perks in that contract, it wasn't more than $450K per year. He's also out of coaching (unless you consider the Albany Patroons coaching), so he has zero leverage.
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Post by hc17 on Mar 3, 2023 11:02:15 GMT -5
Is there a better & more realistic fit than Joe Gallo? Hasn't had a losing season in conference play (D1 & D2). Has led Merrimack to 2 first place finishes in 4 years despite the transition to D1. Schedules an aggressive out of conference slate with several Power-5 schools a year. Currently coaches in-state & has previously coached at Dartmouth. Widely regarded for his innovative 2-3 zone defense (remind you of someone?) & is only 43 years old (fits hiring trend among other HC recent hires). This coach may be the most natural fit....don't overthink it.
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Post by trimster on Mar 3, 2023 11:11:33 GMT -5
Is there a better & more realistic fit than Joe Gallo? Hasn't had a losing season in conference play (D1 & D2). Has led Merrimack to 2 first place finishes in 4 years despite the transition to D1. Schedules an aggressive out of conference slate with several Power-5 schools a year. Currently coaches in-state & has previously coached at Dartmouth. Widely regarded for his innovative 2-3 zone defense (remind you of someone?) & is only 43 years old (fits hiring trend among other HC recent hires). This coach may be the most natural fit....don't overthink it. Assuming he’s interested.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 3, 2023 11:20:12 GMT -5
When Gallo leaves MU it will be for a lot better program than HC.
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Post by Ray on Mar 3, 2023 11:51:32 GMT -5
But, assuming Nelson is done, I'm surprised this name hasn't been mentioned -- Will Brown. He's been on the list at the top of this thread. But yes, I also find it odd that there hasn't been more of a discussion about him, esp. in comparison to forum favorite John Gallagher.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 4, 2023 19:54:24 GMT -5
Nichols wins at Middlebury to reach the third round of the D3 tournament.
Brock Erickson has won everywhere he’s been and is a local guy (Worcester and Assumption ties).
He’s jumping up the leaderboard.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 4, 2023 20:05:49 GMT -5
Keene State beats Tufts and their coach, Ryan Cain, has even better Worcester ties.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 4, 2023 20:10:03 GMT -5
Keene State beats Tufts and their coach, Ryan Cain, has even better Worcester ties. Definitely an interesting name. Has only been at two schools as a player and coach — might be considered a red flag. Brock Erickson has sat on D1 benches and had success running multiple programs. I like that diversity and array of success.
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