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Post by hc87 on Mar 9, 2023 10:10:24 GMT -5
From the world is unfair depahhhtment, the school I had been coaching (not teaching at) hoop at the last 4 years announced yesterday that it is closing its doors forevah in June. I am now officially a candidate for the HC job if the opening arises.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 9, 2023 10:10:50 GMT -5
2.01 cumulative baby. “D for Degree.” What do they call the med student who finished last in his class? Doctor
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Post by timholycross on Mar 9, 2023 10:20:51 GMT -5
To get me into HC was a monumental task that was only successful because of the efforts of Ron Perry Sr. I am so grateful, it really is the best school in the world…another example of a HC man going to bat for a future HC man. We need more of that now!!!!!!!! RP Sr. considered the source, that is, the hs program you came from!
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Post by timholycross on Mar 9, 2023 10:24:37 GMT -5
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Post by football44 on Mar 9, 2023 10:34:55 GMT -5
I'm quite comfortable with a team gpa of 2.96. Similarly, I'd be very OK with a team gpa of >2.00 if we were winning the PL championship every year. Everyone at alma mater doesn't have to be a genius. Posting that team GPA on Twitter as some sort of accomplishment when the team has a god awful record is laughable. Also HC Mens Basketball/ Patriot is not Mid Major. We need to stop referring to it as such. We (and the PL) are bottom of the barrel D1 basketball. Especially when you play multiple DIII teams a year. Totally agree. Stop promoting GPA's when the team stinks. Really bothered me having KH and VR shaking hands on the bball court before the ladies played the other night with all of the "Dean List" student athletes. Throw them a nice dinner at Hogan but don't embarrass the other players on the teams who didn't make Deans List. There are a few alumni out in the world who didn't make the Deans List doing pretty good out in the world today.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 9, 2023 10:41:59 GMT -5
The amount of activity on these threads vs. the amount of activity (public, at least) coming from the athletic department concerning hoops is incredible. Now a day behind Army, and a week behind Bucknell. This does no coach (the current or any prospective replacement) any favors. Kit is employing the Princeton Offense.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 9, 2023 10:42:25 GMT -5
I might be misrembering but didn’t we put something on the uniforms of the kids who had some academic accomplishment a handful of years ago? That seemed preposterous.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 9, 2023 10:45:40 GMT -5
The amount of activity on these threads vs. the amount of activity (public, at least) coming from the athletic department concerning hoops is incredible. Now a day behind Army, and a week behind Bucknell. This does no coach (the current or any prospective replacement) any favors. Kit is employing the Princeton Offense. Pre-shot clock Princeton offense.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 9, 2023 10:49:50 GMT -5
Welp, Lowder's dad completely torpedoed the "Nelson's probably a decent guy, but...." description.
Sucks at coaching. Total milquetoast personality. Apparently a complete douche to some of his players.
And he stays for at least 1 more. Buckle up.
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Post by Tom on Mar 9, 2023 10:53:01 GMT -5
I know my view of the world is pretty 20th century, that being said. . .
ASSUMING a change is coming, is it possible that for whatever reason nothing happened last week and now athletics wants to wait until Monday when the team is back? I know you 21st century people would just set up a team Zoom meeting, but us dinosaurs prefer to have serious discussions face to face. And, I firmly believe that IF something happens, the team deserves the courtesy of hearing it from HC before a press release
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 9, 2023 10:54:31 GMT -5
I might be misrembering but didn’t we put something on the uniforms of the kids who had some academic accomplishment a handful of years ago? That seemed preposterous. One of FADNP’s brilliant initiatives.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 9, 2023 10:57:11 GMT -5
I know my view of the world is pretty 20th century, that being said. . . ASSUMING a change is coming, is it possible that for whatever reason nothing happened last week and now athletics wants to wait until Monday when the team is back? I know you 21st century people would just set up a team Zoom meeting, but us dinosaurs prefer to have serious discussions face to face. And, I firmly believe that IF something happens, the team deserves the courtesy of hearing it from HC before a press release These conversations could have happened in person on March 1, 2 or 3.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 9, 2023 10:57:23 GMT -5
I know my view of the world is pretty 20th century, that being said. . . ASSUMING a change is coming, is it possible that for whatever reason nothing happened last week and now athletics wants to wait until Monday when the team is back? I know you 21st century people would just set up a team Zoom meeting, but us dinosaurs prefer to have serious discussions face to face. And, I firmly believe that IF something happens, the team deserves the courtesy of hearing it from HC before a press release Highly doubt it. If Kit was going to make a move, why would he want to delay the search for the new coach a whole week and change? This is a competitive business. Why do you think head football coaches bolt for new jobs in the middle of preparing their old team for a bowl game? Because schools don't want to get beat to the punch in recruiting.
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Post by Ray on Mar 9, 2023 10:58:22 GMT -5
I know my view of the world is pretty 20th century, that being said. . . ASSUMING a change is coming, is it possible that for whatever reason nothing happened last week and now athletics wants to wait until Monday when the team is back? I know you 21st century people would just set up a team Zoom meeting, but us dinosaurs prefer to have serious discussions face to face. And, I firmly believe that IF something happens, the team deserves the courtesy of hearing it from HC before a press release I actually do find this plausible. Could conceivably be a team meeting on Sunday night once everyone's back on campus, with an announcement on Monday.
And Kit or his search firm could already be doing groundwork on potential candidates.
Realistically, it's very early in the coaching carousel cycle. Losing this week isn't a disaster, especially if Kit started his due diligence a while back.
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Aw, who am I kidding? Nothing's happening.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 9, 2023 11:01:53 GMT -5
I might be misrembering but didn’t we put something on the uniforms of the kids who had some academic accomplishment a handful of years ago? That seemed preposterous. One of FADNP’s brilliant initiatives. So, if this had happened our football guys would have their gpa awards on their unis and the Army guys would have their unit on theirs (xxxx Rangers, etc.)?
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Post by crusader1970 on Mar 9, 2023 11:03:41 GMT -5
Welp, Lowder's dad completely torpedoed the "Nelson's probably a decent guy, but...." description. Sucks at coaching. Total milquetoast personality. Apparently a complete douche to some of his players. And he stays for at least 1 more. Buckle up. You are so right. My exact reaction. The thought of him running the program for another year with the need to recruit possibly 2 kids for next year's team (transfer portal) and replacing possibly 6 seniors for the next season is, to say the least, depressing.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 9, 2023 11:04:17 GMT -5
From the world is unfair depahhhtment, the school I had been coaching (not teaching at) hoop at the last 4 years announced yesterday that it is closing its doors forevah in June. I am now officially a candidate for the HC job if the opening arises. Joining those alumni of Pope John (Everett), Don Bosco, Dom Savio, Xavier, Marian and (soon) St. Joseph's Prep that have no old school to go back to.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 9, 2023 11:14:34 GMT -5
If Curry’s player’s words are valid, that player did not know anything about Nelson’ s future when that player wrote Jared
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 9, 2023 11:23:44 GMT -5
I know my view of the world is pretty 20th century, that being said. . . ASSUMING a change is coming, is it possible that for whatever reason nothing happened last week and now athletics wants to wait until Monday when the team is back? I know you 21st century people would just set up a team Zoom meeting, but us dinosaurs prefer to have serious discussions face to face. And, I firmly believe that IF something happens, the team deserves the courtesy of hearing it from HC before a press release I actually do find this plausible. Could conceivably be a team meeting on Sunday night once everyone's back on campus, with an announcement on Monday.
And Kit or his search firm could already be doing groundwork on potential candidates.
Realistically, it's very early in the coaching carousel cycle. Losing this week isn't a disaster, especially if Kit started his due diligence a while back.
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Aw, who am I kidding? Nothing's happening.
If Kit is doing background work there's a good chance one of these sports bloggers wanting clicks will sniff it out and post something and we will hear about it. But it won't leak from Kit. He just built a S.C.I.F. in the Luth executive suite.🙂 I'm kidding but that's a sincere compliment. We know from PP he doesn't have unilateral control of large expenditures so I don't know enough to lower the boom on him at this point. He could be working hard internally with TPTB and/or externally in a confidential search or he could be doing nothing. We just don't know.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 9, 2023 11:52:19 GMT -5
That pretty much sums up these threads..."We just don't know." I hope that situation is corrected one way or the other very soon.
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Post by saderfan2020 on Mar 9, 2023 14:06:24 GMT -5
I've been pretty quiet because there's not much to say besides both Brett and the school need to go their separate ways, but considering it seems as though Ive had the most personal experience with him Ill drop my 2c. ill address the allegations that Brett may be manipulating his players/ staff into getting another chance, I think this is total BS. Brett is pretty awkward, and very hardheaded as a coach (see his abismal record and lack of offensive sets besides get the ball to GG in the mid-low block) but from what I can tell he's not a bad guy. Most of the players I spoke to had a ton of respect for the guy and wanted to learn from him because of his success as a cbb athlete and the ones who didn't left (that's not to say that everyone who left did it because of him however). He wanted/wants to win very badly. I'll always remember his post-game with the guys after last years pl tourney loss to AU where he essentially apologized to everyone for letting them down in-between tears which was one of the few times I've seen him show any emotion. He's great at recruiting individual talent, their skillsets often just don't work together. Look at all the players who have left and been key contributors on other teams. I have a hard time believing that he's resorting to emotionally manipulating his players unless he's had some drastic character shift since I last saw him. I think he'll make a fantastic asst. coach elsewhere and hopefully he'll get a second shot at head coaching somewhere else down the line. If this is truly reality then I am deeply sorry, but I think this is just villainizing a coach who we all agree should be let go. I'm in no way advocating for him to get another year, or month, or day, but come on, he's a mid major basketball coach not satan. I think we all need to remember that he is not the enemy, the situation is bad for everyone involved. Hopefully we get some positive news soon. I disagree, although I do agree that he is not satan. Everyone here would be floored if they new what is said inside a locker room or basketball office. I’ve said this many times, the only good thing that has come from social media is that coaches now how have to treat these kids with some kind of respect…..they are 1 “post/send” away from being unemployed. We landed Josh Sankes because his coach made him do naked suicides in front of cheerleaders because he missed foul shots. A kid being manipulated to call a complete stranger to say “I back my coach” is 100% in the realm of possibility.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 9, 2023 14:07:04 GMT -5
Not all doom and gloom. Holy Cross winter sports are guaranteed to play the next three days in league semifinals with the possibility of up to two additional games. That should help us through the weekend. Go Crusaders!
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Post by saderfan2020 on Mar 9, 2023 14:27:50 GMT -5
I've been pretty quiet because there's not much to say besides both Brett and the school need to go their separate ways, but considering it seems as though Ive had the most personal experience with him Ill drop my 2c. ill address the allegations that Brett may be manipulating his players/ staff into getting another chance, I think this is total BS. Brett is pretty awkward, and very hardheaded as a coach (see his abismal record and lack of offensive sets besides get the ball to GG in the mid-low block) but from what I can tell he's not a bad guy. Most of the players I spoke to had a ton of respect for the guy and wanted to learn from him because of his success as a cbb athlete and the ones who didn't left (that's not to say that everyone who left did it because of him however). He wanted/wants to win very badly. I'll always remember his post-game with the guys after last years pl tourney loss to AU where he essentially apologized to everyone for letting them down in-between tears which was one of the few times I've seen him show any emotion. He's great at recruiting individual talent, their skillsets often just don't work together. Look at all the players who have left and been key contributors on other teams. I have a hard time believing that he's resorting to emotionally manipulating his players unless he's had some drastic character shift since I last saw him. I think he'll make a fantastic asst. coach elsewhere and hopefully he'll get a second shot at head coaching somewhere else down the line. If this is truly reality then I am deeply sorry, but I think this is just villainizing a coach who we all agree should be let go. I'm in no way advocating for him to get another year, or month, or day, but come on, he's a mid major basketball coach not satan. I think we all need to remember that he is not the enemy, the situation is bad for everyone involved. Hopefully we get some positive news soon. I disagree, although I do agree that he is not satan. Everyone here would be floored if they new what is said inside a locker room or basketball office. I’ve said this many times, the only good thing that has come from social media is that coaches now how have to treat these kids with some kind of respect…..they are 1 “post/send” away from being unemployed. We landed Josh Sankes because his coach made him do naked suicides in front of cheerleaders because he missed foul shots. A kid being manipulated to call a complete stranger to say “I back my coach” is 100% in the realm of possibility. I hear you my man, and I agree that a ton of shady activity happens in college basketball but in my time on campus I served as a student manager for Brett and his staff. I was at 100% of the practices, pre-game speeches, team dinners, post game talks, flights and drives to away games, film rooms, ect. In addition, I entered HC as a PWO but destroyed my ankle a few days before the first fall practice and was told I would never be physically able to compete (years later I'm just starting to run, jump, and dunk again) so I know how Brett and his staff treat their players first hand. I was able to get really close with the players some of whom transferred away, and a few graduated so I have been able to see and hear their perspective as well. This is not to discredit your experience, you had an exponentially more successful career at HC than I've had, but things like naked suicides in front of cheerleaders simply couldn't happen in the modern day. We just grew up in two different college basketball scenes, I wasn't even out of the womb until late into your senior year. The coach would be fired before the words even finished coming out of his mouth. With all that being said, I can only speak on my experience with Brett and what I've heard, which is; he's a good guy who tries very hard but he struggles to connect with his athletes, is incredibly hardheaded, and his offensive sets are nothing short of abysmal. The only coach that I interacted with at HC that I did not like as a person has already moved on. IMO Brett and all of his staff, including RJ, need to be shown the door and it should have happened a week ago, but strictly for business and I wish them all the best.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 9, 2023 14:49:36 GMT -5
2020 If you saw the posts by the Lowder parent on the Other Games thread, would you comment on them ? I presume you were manager then.
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Post by Ignutz on Mar 9, 2023 14:54:28 GMT -5
Two things (outside of observing the abysmal results over the past few years) that tell me all that I need to know:
1. Seeing BN do his post-game interviews with ESPN+ announcers. Win or lose, it is clear that he doesn't want to be there. While I'm sure that the PG interview is not on any/many coaches favorites list, there's nothing wrong with being polite and not coming across as feeling above the process.
2. A comment to me from an HC basketball legend, whom everyone on this board fully-respects. When I asked him during a car ride a number of months ago about BN and the team and the last few years, he unhesitatingly said, "I shouldn't say this, but I just don't think he's a good coach."
My first point can probably be dismissed as a BN personality foible, but my second point should, even without the speaker being identified, deeply resonate with every Holy Cross basketball fan who knows what the program was and how far the program has fallen. I will continue to tune in on ESPN+ (until it becomes completely nauseating), but I won't attend a game until a change evidencing a renewed commitment to the program is made. I graduated many decades ago, and believe that the last two years are the only years during that span when I haven't been to the Hart Center AND travelled to see away games - including internationally.
Let's get this fixed.
In hoc signo vinces.
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