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Post by hchoops on Mar 22, 2023 7:37:32 GMT -5
Is this Gregorian University an actual school ? Please inform.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 22, 2023 7:41:45 GMT -5
Query whether accepting accepting 80% of ED applicants is hurting the academic strength of our incoming classes. Kids tend to apply ED to schools that may be a reach and are looking for the meaningful increase in acceptance rate to try to get in.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2023 7:51:00 GMT -5
Is this Gregorian University an actual school ? Please inform. Yes. It has over 3,000 students. Comprised of three schools. I believe all are in Rome.
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Post by alum on Mar 22, 2023 7:55:18 GMT -5
Query whether accepting accepting 80% of ED applicants is hurting the academic strength of our incoming classes. Kids tend to apply ED to schools that may be a reach and are looking for the meaningful increase in acceptance rate to try to get in. We probably ought to know who is in the ED pool. I am assuming that recruited athletes (including non scholarship ones) are included. That may well total one hundred or more per year. It would appear that the Questbridge applicants also must apply ED. I am assuming that HC awards merit scholarships during ED. It would seem to me that full pay or near full pay families might apply ED in hopes of landing merit scholarships before the money is gone. Query: Does reliance on ED to fill a large part of the class harm applicants who need to be sensitive to cost (outside of the Questbride cohort?)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2023 8:01:01 GMT -5
Query whether accepting accepting 80% of ED applicants is hurting the academic strength of our incoming classes. Kids tend to apply ED to schools that may be a reach and are looking for the meaningful increase in acceptance rate to try to get in. All recruited athletes should be ED. That's 150-175 students, given that nearly a quarter of the student body competes in a varsity sport. Other schools use Early Action, which is not as binding.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 22, 2023 8:17:54 GMT -5
Query whether accepting accepting 80% of ED applicants is hurting the academic strength of our incoming classes. Kids tend to apply ED to schools that may be a reach and are looking for the meaningful increase in acceptance rate to try to get in. All recruited athletes should be ED. That's 150-175 students, given that nearly a quarter of the student body competes in a varsity sport. Other schools use Early Action, which is not as binding. Colgate (not necessarily a peer) accepted 494 of 1223 Early Decision Applicants for their most recently available CDS (2021-2022). About 40%. (edit) Their class size, BTW, is traditionally about 800 per grade...although that year (CDS 2021-2022 the enrolled number was closer to 900) one can readily see that (494) is a pretty large proportion of the enrolled class.
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 22, 2023 8:24:33 GMT -5
All recruited athletes should be ED. That's 150-175 students, given that nearly a quarter of the student body competes in a varsity sport. Other schools use Early Action, which is not as binding. Colgate (not necessarily a peer) accepted 494 of 1223 Early Decision Applicants for their most recently available CDS (2021-2022). About 25%. Isn't that more like a 40% acceptance rate for ED?
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Post by flutiewasrejected on Mar 22, 2023 8:27:49 GMT -5
Interesting point. Hypothetical below...
If ~650 ED apps with an 80% acceptance results in ~520 students comprising ~70% of a class (750), I wonder how dynamics play out with the remaining ~30% of the class.
Scenario 1 Acceptance Rate ~20%: GOAL= Drive acceptance rate lower [increase apps, keep ED acceptance % constant, and select from a growing pool of RD admits] Campus Group 1: 70% ED Admit, Very High % Rate [student profile: athlete, student of alumni, loves holy cross, trend toward wealthy (?)] Campus Group 1: 30% Reg Admit, Very Low % Rate [student profile: Love HC or barely didnt get into 'tier 1 catholic schools']
Scenario 2 Acceptance Rate ~30%-40%: GOAL Select "best fit" pool [increase apps, lower ED acceptance %, and select more from a growing pool of RD admits] Campus Group 1: 50-60% ED Admit Lower % [student profile: athlete, student of alumni, loves holy cross, trend toward wealthy (?)] Campus Group 1: 50-40% Reg Admit Higher % [student profile: reg admit students in-line with peer schools]
In Scenario 1, ~30% of students are regular admits who have vastly different academic backgrounds than the remaining 70% of students. Goal: Acceptance rate as low as we can go. In Scenario 2, ~50% of students are regular admits, making ED pool and reg admit pool closer aligned in student profile/academic background
We know what schools like Northeastern and BC do, it'll be interesting to see if/how we face these decisions going forward.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 22, 2023 8:55:58 GMT -5
Interesting point. Hypothetical below... If ~650 ED apps with an 80% acceptance results in ~520 students comprising ~70% of a class (750), I wonder how dynamics play out with the remaining ~30% of the class. Scenario 1 Acceptance Rate ~20%: GOAL= Drive acceptance rate lower [increase apps, keep ED acceptance % constant, and select from a growing pool of RD admits] Campus Group 1: 70% ED Admit, Very High % Rate [student profile: athlete, student of alumni, loves holy cross, trend toward wealthy (?)] Campus Group 1: 30% Reg Admit, Very Low % Rate [student profile: Love HC or barely didnt get into 'tier 1 catholic schools'] Scenario 2 Acceptance Rate ~30%-40%: GOAL Select "best fit" pool [increase apps, lower ED acceptance %, and select more from a growing pool of RD admits] Campus Group 1: 50-60% ED Admit Lower % [student profile: athlete, student of alumni, loves holy cross, trend toward wealthy (?)] Campus Group 1: 50-40% Reg Admit Higher % [student profile: reg admit students in-line with peer schools] In Scenario 1, ~30% of students are regular admits who have vastly different academic backgrounds than the remaining 70% of students. Goal: Acceptance rate as low as we can go. In Scenario 2, ~50% of students are regular admits, making ED pool and reg admit pool closer aligned in student profile/academic background We know what schools like Northeastern and BC do, it'll be interesting to see if/how we face these decisions going forward. Wouldn't shock me if our continuing goal is to have about 50% ED comprising the class. About 400 per year if the class size is targeted at about 800. The % acceptance for this group will go down as we boost the number of ED applicants...and goes up if we have reduced ED applicants...or at least I'd imagine this is the strategy.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2023 9:10:22 GMT -5
When Ann made standardized tests optional, I believe she then emphasized the interview as being very important in her admissions decisions, and that emphasis has continued. IMO, this tends to depress the applicant pool, and it tends to overload ED applicants. Holy Cross simply doesn't have enough interviewers to give a quality interview to 10,000 applicants, let alone 20,000, like Colgate's applications number.
The interview is not considered by Colgate when deciding who to admit.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 22, 2023 9:47:47 GMT -5
When Ann made standardized tests optional, I believe she then emphasized the interview as being very important in her admissions decisions, and that emphasis has continued. IMO, this tends to depress the applicant pool, and it tends to overload ED applicants. Holy Cross simply doesn't have enough interviewers to give a quality interview to 10,000 Hey, I am an alum interviewer and give a high quality interview,.as evaluated by me.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2023 9:49:40 GMT -5
When Ann made standardized tests optional, I believe she then emphasized the interview as being very important in her admissions decisions, and that emphasis has continued. IMO, this tends to depress the applicant pool, and it tends to overload ED applicants. Holy Cross simply doesn't have enough interviewers to give a quality interview to 10,000 Hey, I am an alum interviewer and give a high quality interview,.as evaluated by me. Great! And how many interviews do you do in a typical year?
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Post by hchoops on Mar 22, 2023 10:02:37 GMT -5
Hey, I am an alum interviewer and give a high quality interview,.as evaluated by me. Great! And how many interviews do you do in a typical year? That is highly classified, well beyond your pay grade.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 22, 2023 10:14:58 GMT -5
When Ann made standardized tests optional, I believe she then emphasized the interview as being very important in her admissions decisions, and that emphasis has continued. IMO, this tends to depress the applicant pool, and it tends to overload ED applicants. Holy Cross simply doesn't have enough interviewers to give a quality interview to 10,000 applicants, let alone 20,000, like Colgate's applications number. The interview is not considered by Colgate when deciding who to admit. No doubt test score optional juiced applicant numbers at the time. And ‘interest emphasis’ enhances yield.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 22, 2023 10:47:05 GMT -5
One other thing to consider when comparing numbers this year vs. the recent past ... Holy Cross added an Early Decision II application deadline for January 15. That could have expanded the ED pool.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2023 10:58:28 GMT -5
One other thing to consider when comparing numbers this year vs. the recent past ... Holy Cross added an Early Decision II application deadline for January 15. That could have expanded the ED pool. Who would have jumped in for ED II? (Other than athletes.) Someone who went EA at some other school, and didn't make it, so applied EDII at HC at the midnight hour?
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Post by hcpride on Mar 22, 2023 11:27:33 GMT -5
One other thing to consider when comparing numbers this year vs. the recent past ... Holy Cross added an Early Decision II application deadline for January 15. That could have expanded the ED pool. Who would have jumped in for ED II? (Other than athletes.) Someone who went EA at some other school, and didn't make it, so applied EDII at HC at the midnight hour? I believe it is precisely aimed at that kid who was rejected ED at a school like BC and then applies ED II Holy Cross. Or, to a much smaller extent, the kid getting his/her act together who holds off on ED I to HC so he/she can have some strong senior grades/tests to offer via ED II to Holy Cross. I would expect it is a much smaller pool than HC ED I . Cant vouch for accuracy but here is a list of ED I and II schools and last year's ED I and II admission rates: www.collegetransitions.com/blog/early-decision-ii/
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Post by purplenurple on Mar 22, 2023 11:55:03 GMT -5
First posting news about HC admissions on LinkedIn is undisciplined messaging by the College. Worthy of a good rap on the knuckles by Sister Perpetua. LinkedIn is/should not be the primary forum for such news. Wrong audience. Incomplete and cryptic information. Looks as if someone pulled one slide from a slide deck. Maybe a student has a job posting information about the College. If so, he/she is excused. I'll save Sr. Perpetua's ruler for the new Vice President for Communications and Marketing, and/or the Vice President for Enrollment Management. There was one benefit arising from the LinkedIn post. I learned that Fr. McF is in Washington. He is President of the Gregorian University Foundation. The Gregorian University is the successor to the Roman College, founded by Ignatius of Loyola in 1551. Fr. McF's office is not in a Georgetown University-owned property, but in a small commercial office building near the University, above the UPS store that I sometimes use. The same slides posted on LinkedIn were just posted to the College's Instagram story. They are getting the word out.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 22, 2023 12:45:03 GMT -5
Who would have jumped in for ED II? (Other than athletes.) Someone who went EA at some other school, and didn't make it, so applied EDII at HC at the midnight hour? I believe it is precisely aimed at that kid who was rejected ED at a school like BC and then applies ED II Holy Cross. Or, to a much smaller extent, the kid getting his/her act together who holds off on ED I to HC so he/she can have some strong senior grades/tests to offer via ED II to Holy Cross. I would expect it is a much smaller pool than HC ED I . Cant vouch for accuracy but here is a list of ED I and II schools and last year's ED I and II admission rates: www.collegetransitions.com/blog/early-decision-ii/Thank you for the link. Interesting factoid from that link.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 22, 2023 13:40:36 GMT -5
Gaming the system? So, the numbers are more of an indication of a school's ability to manipulate the numbers? Tautological gamesmanship.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 22, 2023 14:07:08 GMT -5
Gaming the system? So, the numbers are more of an indication of a school's ability to manipulate the numbers? Tautological gamesmanship. This is just like the all-important (to some) USN&WR college ratings. Anyone who is judged by such a calculation will be incentivized to "game" every element of the equation
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 22, 2023 15:04:02 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 23, 2023 1:29:34 GMT -5
First posting news about HC admissions on LinkedIn is undisciplined messaging by the College. Worthy of a good rap on the knuckles by Sister Perpetua. LinkedIn is/should not be the primary forum for such news. Wrong audience. Incomplete and cryptic information. Looks as if someone pulled one slide from a slide deck. Maybe a student has a job posting information about the College. If so, he/she is excused. I'll save Sr. Perpetua's ruler for the new Vice President for Communications and Marketing, and/or the Vice President for Enrollment Management. There was one benefit arising from the LinkedIn post. I learned that Fr. McF is in Washington. He is President of the Gregorian University Foundation. The Gregorian University is the successor to the Roman College, founded by Ignatius of Loyola in 1551. Fr. McF's office is not in a Georgetown University-owned property, but in a small commercial office building near the University, above the UPS store that I sometimes use. LinkedIn could have been one of thirty sites HC email bombed or posted the release to.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 23, 2023 4:37:19 GMT -5
It is good to see Holy Cross is capable of releasing some admission statistics rather quickly and rather publicly. In the past, when perhaps the news wasn’t so good, we were VERY slow to do so (as many of us have pointed out). On a related topic, Notre Dame released this admissions news: Notre Dame admitted a total of 3,399 students …Drawing from a pool of 28,351 applicants, the University hit an 11.9% acceptance rate, “the lowest in Notre Dame history” according to vice president for undergraduate enrollment Micki Kidder.
The University maintained a test-optional policy for this year’s application, seeing a 3% increase in applications where students remained test-option. ndsmcobserver.com/2023/03/notre-dame-admits-class-of-2027-setting-record-low-acceptance-rate-of-11-9/
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Post by matunuck on Mar 23, 2023 9:27:57 GMT -5
FWIW: Johns Hopkins added ED II three years ago.
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