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Post by football44 on Apr 21, 2023 16:32:25 GMT -5
You’re not wrong. I was introduced to him by Coach Paulson. Nice guy and seemed very excited to be at HC.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 21, 2023 16:37:50 GMT -5
Might not become official for a while. Contracts are typically July 1 -June 30. HC's current assistants are being paid through June 30th, even as they look elsewhere. HC is likely eating FCBN's remaining year(s), so I doubt it would eagerly be picking up the remaining months of current assistants AND shelling out $$$ for new assistant coaches coming on board before July 1. I am 99% certain that DP is no longer receiving a weekly paycheck from Fordham. I think that is extremely unlikely with AAU season starting today. I couldn’t even imagine HC not having the coaches on board and ready to go out and recruit. That would be extremely unusual for a team hiring a new staff DP said he was headed to Phoenix, and he said the other coaches (he used the plural) would be attending other AAU tournaments this weekend. This could mean assistant coaches at HC who are still being paid by HC, or future coaches for whom HC is covering the travel expenses,
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 21, 2023 16:47:12 GMT -5
I think that is extremely unlikely with AAU season starting today. I couldn’t even imagine HC not having the coaches on board and ready to go out and recruit. That would be extremely unusual for a team hiring a new staff DP said he was headed to Phoenix, and he said the other coaches (he used the plural) would be attending other AAU tournaments this weekend. This could mean assistant coaches at HC who are still being paid by HC, or future coaches for whom HC is covering the travel expenses, HC should use the services of the non returning assistants. As long as they have time off to interview, it is probably more productive for them to stay active and circulate. Not sure if the NCAA requires HC to terminate them (but still pay them through the end of the contract) before hiring new assistants so no more than four coaches are active.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 21, 2023 17:03:01 GMT -5
DP said he was headed to Phoenix, and he said the other coaches (he used the plural) would be attending other AAU tournaments this weekend. . . . I'm guessing Coach Paulsen wants to personally watch and introduce himself to the two three Middlesex Magic 2024 kids - Luka Toews, CJ Happy, and Jay Jones - that Nelson offered.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 21, 2023 17:39:01 GMT -5
Spot on More than an intro but he made the trip just for them CJ Happy early-fingers crossed
Recruiting relationships just might resemble the 70s up and down I-95 Schedule as well, if not a level more for OOC by 2024/25
Hoops, Xmassader pressure is building
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Post by trimster on Apr 21, 2023 18:42:09 GMT -5
DP said he was headed to Phoenix, and he said the other coaches (he used the plural) would be attending other AAU tournaments this weekend. . . . I'm guessing Coach Paulsen wants to personally watch and introduce himself to the two three Middlesex Magic 2024 kids - Luka Toews, CJ Happy, and Jay Jones - that Nelson offered.
I think there is a fourth in Ryan Mela.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 21, 2023 18:48:35 GMT -5
Magic 17u opened UAA session 1 with a 59-53 win over Kansas City RMC. Ryan Mela scored 15 points and Jacob Hogarth dominated the paint with 12 points and 10 rebounds! Magic play again at 4pm vs. WeR1. #MagicFamily
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Post by trimster on Apr 21, 2023 18:55:30 GMT -5
Magic 17u opened UAA session 1 with a 59-53 win over Kansas City RMC. Ryan Mela scored 15 points and Jacob Hogarth dominated the paint with 12 points and 10 rebounds! Magic play again at 4pm vs. WeR1. #MagicFamily Hogarth is a player. Transferred from NY power Stepinac after his soph year to South Kent in CT. Maryland offered him it appears as a frosh. It appears to me the Magic is loaded with 2024 talent. Maybe Paulsen's primary mission in going to PHX is the Magic, not unsigned 2023 talent.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 21, 2023 18:57:36 GMT -5
I'm guessing Coach Paulsen wants to personally watch and introduce himself to the two three Middlesex Magic 2024 kids - Luka Toews, CJ Happy, and Jay Jones - that Nelson offered.
I think there is a fourth in Ryan Mela. Ryan appears now to be in the 2024 Class.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 21, 2023 19:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 22, 2023 10:16:49 GMT -5
I think there is a fourth in Ryan Mela. Ryan appears now to be in the 2024 Class. What if this kid wanted to skip AAU and get an off season after school/weekend/summer job as a cashier/bagger/parking lot kart wrangler/clean up on aisle seven guy at his local supermarket instead? Would Holy Cross and other mid majors kick him to the curb? Or would he have the same talent and potential to a smart coach like DP?
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Post by HC92 on Apr 22, 2023 10:25:21 GMT -5
Ryan appears now to be in the 2024 Class. What if this kid wanted to skip AAU and get an off season after school/weekend/summer job as a cashier/bagger/parking lot kart wrangler/clean up on aisle seven guy at his local supermarket instead? Would Holy Cross and other mid majors kick him to the curb? Or would he have the same talent and potential to a smart coach like DP? You could probably count on one hand (maybe two?) the D1 players who did not play AAU every spring in high school and usually well before that. It’s just the way it is. It’s a huge financial burden to do it not just because of the foregone wages from stocking groceries but the expense of being on the team, traveling all over the country, staying in hotels, eating on the road, driving long distances to practice, family members having to pay to watch once they pay to travel across the country. It’s a crazy system they’ve created.
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Post by trimster on Apr 22, 2023 10:44:48 GMT -5
You seem very familiar with this whole AAU thing. Do kids pay out of pocket to travel, stay and eat at a tourney? I just assumed those expenses were paid for by the AAU Program/Sneaker Sponsor.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 22, 2023 10:56:24 GMT -5
DP said he was headed to Phoenix, and he said the other coaches (he used the plural) would be attending other AAU tournaments this weekend. This could mean assistant coaches at HC who are still being paid by HC, or future coaches for whom HC is covering the travel expenses, HC should use the services of the non returning assistants. As long as they have time off to interview, it is probably more productive for them to stay active and circulate. Not sure if the NCAA requires HC to terminate them (but still pay them through the end of the contract) before hiring new assistants so no more than four coaches are active. A team is only allowed four recruiters, incl the head coach. . With all of the new coaches on board, there’s no way HC would be using any of the old coaches. I doubt they are even at HC anymore. That would be unusual.
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Post by southernsader on Apr 22, 2023 11:53:44 GMT -5
Not to mention it would be foolish to count on outgoing assistants to be effective or enthusiastic recruiters
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 22, 2023 11:57:26 GMT -5
HC should use the services of the non returning assistants. As long as they have time off to interview, it is probably more productive for them to stay active and circulate. Not sure if the NCAA requires HC to terminate them (but still pay them through the end of the contract) before hiring new assistants so no more than four coaches are active. A team is only allowed four recruiters, incl the head coach. . With all of the new coaches on board, there’s no way HC would be using any of the old coaches. I doubt they are even at HC anymore. That would be unusual. Yes, and anyway, would you expect an assistant who's being shown the door, regardless of whether he's still receiving a paycheck, to muster the zeal needed for effective recruiting.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 22, 2023 12:20:11 GMT -5
A team is only allowed four recruiters, incl the head coach. . With all of the new coaches on board, there’s no way HC would be using any of the old coaches. I doubt they are even at HC anymore. That would be unusual. Yes, and anyway, would you expect an assistant who's being shown the door, regardless of whether he's still receiving a paycheck, to muster the zeal needed for effective recruiting. I guess not. I was thinking the non-returning assistants would still benefit by putting their best foot forward in their field while looking for the next gig. But the potential damage by them putting the wrong foot forward wouldn't be worth it. The enthusiasm of new coaches just starting out with a new team just can't be beat.
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Post by DiMarz on Apr 22, 2023 18:16:53 GMT -5
You seem very familiar with this whole AAU thing. Do kids pay out of pocket to travel, stay and eat at a tourney? I just assumed those expenses were paid for by the AAU Program/Sneaker Sponsor. The big time programs cover all the costs. However, some of those programs not quite at the top have very high “dues”.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 22, 2023 18:37:41 GMT -5
HC should use the services of the non returning assistants. As long as they have time off to interview, it is probably more productive for them to stay active and circulate. Not sure if the NCAA requires HC to terminate them (but still pay them through the end of the contract) before hiring new assistants so no more than four coaches are active. A team is only allowed four recruiters, incl the head coach. . With all of the new coaches on board, there’s no way HC would be using any of the old coaches. I doubt they are even at HC anymore. That would be unusual. Except that DP said that none of the new coaches were official yet, so they can't be on-board. The one carry-over assistant is on-board. The two other assistants have the same employment status as Crotty, the HC of the Magic. The two new assistants can attend and observe an AAU tournament, but I think NCAA rules prohibit them from 'recruiting'. The current assistants are still employees of HC, as their contracts run through June 30th. So they could 'recruit'.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 22, 2023 20:26:27 GMT -5
A team is only allowed four recruiters, incl the head coach. . With all of the new coaches on board, there’s no way HC would be using any of the old coaches. I doubt they are even at HC anymore. That would be unusual. Except that DP said that none of the new coaches were official yet, so they can't be on-board. The one carry-over assistant is on-board. The two other assistants have the same employment status as Crotty, the HC of the Magic. The two new assistants can attend and observe an AAU tournament, but I think NCAA rules prohibit them from 'recruiting'. The current assistants are still employees of HC, as their contracts run through June 30th. So they could 'recruit'. There’s no way guys not on the staff next year are out recruiting for HC this weekend. This happens every year at many D1 colleges across America. I am certain people in this world know how to make it work so that the new coaches in April can be out on the road recruiting rather than the departing staff.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 22, 2023 23:20:37 GMT -5
A team is only allowed four recruiters, incl the head coach. . With all of the new coaches on board, there’s no way HC would be using any of the old coaches. I doubt they are even at HC anymore. That would be unusual. Except that DP said that none of the new coaches were official yet, so they can't be on-board. The one carry-over assistant is on-board. The two other assistants have the same employment status as Crotty, the HC of the Magic. The two new assistants can attend and observe an AAU tournament, but I think NCAA rules prohibit them from 'recruiting'. The current assistants are still employees of HC, as their contracts run through June 30th. So they could 'recruit'. Just like the former UVM assistant's contract isn't up yet but was at HC last weekend. You think UVM still has him on the road right now?
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Post by bison137 on Apr 23, 2023 0:48:49 GMT -5
Except that DP said that none of the new coaches were official yet, so they can't be on-board. The one carry-over assistant is on-board. The two other assistants have the same employment status as Crotty, the HC of the Magic. The two new assistants can attend and observe an AAU tournament, but I think NCAA rules prohibit them from 'recruiting'. The current assistants are still employees of HC, as their contracts run through June 30th. So they could 'recruit'. There’s no way guys not on the staff next year are out recruiting for HC this weekend. This happens every year at many D1 colleges across America. I am certain people in this world know how to make it work so that the new coaches in April can be out on the road recruiting rather than the departing staff. Yes, that is the normal way things are done. Bucknell, for example, has had dozens of new assistants added in March and April. All of them were out recruiting by the end of April. I would be stunned if all of HC's new assistants aren't doing likewise, whether or not they are termed official or unofficial by Paulsen.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Apr 23, 2023 4:49:27 GMT -5
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Post by timholycross on Apr 23, 2023 9:59:18 GMT -5
You seem very familiar with this whole AAU thing. Do kids pay out of pocket to travel, stay and eat at a tourney? I just assumed those expenses were paid for by the AAU Program/Sneaker Sponsor. There is AAU at a number of levels; most kids who play pay to do so. One has to be pretty high up in the food chain to get something for nothing. And, of course, the very high ups probably get just about everything.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 23, 2023 11:29:23 GMT -5
You seem very familiar with this whole AAU thing. Do kids pay out of pocket to travel, stay and eat at a tourney? I just assumed those expenses were paid for by the AAU Program/Sneaker Sponsor. There are literally thousands of boys and girls teams all over the country that play in all sorts of tournaments every weekend in the spring/summer. Almost all of those kids are paying to be on the team, paying to travel to the tourneys and their families are paying to watch the tourneys. As others have suggested, I am sure there is an underworld of money flowing into the top programs that funds most or all of the big-time teams. But that’s a tiny fraction. My daughter plays in a program that has some of the older teams in the Adidas 3SG circuit, which is the lower of the two adidas circuits. Those families are paying the freight to enter the tourneys, stay over and travel back and forth over a weekend. Pretty sure they are in California this weekend.
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