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Post by efg72 on Sept 19, 2023 6:55:40 GMT -5
Hypothetical Georgetown and Fordham leave PL football in the next two years WON'T HAPPENWhat is the play for Holy Cross THEY HAVE ENOUGH REAL SITUATIONS TO WOFRK OUT, NO NEED FOR FICTION
Really no academic schools you can add without poaching from better athletic conferences PROBABLYIs this a time where the Brooks followers get on bended knee and beg the NESAC for acceptance? HUM...HOW ABOUT NEVER? PS: I BELIEVE FR. BROOKS HAD SUPPORTERS, NOT "FOLLOWERS."If this happens does the endowment crash NODo disheartened alums work to strip the school of all federal support OF COURSE NOTRemember this is a Monday and no other issues to raise today But remember the clock is ticking and with no plan B we have no idea what time it is THIS STATEMENT IS JUST TOO STRANGE TO GIVE A COMMENT. Do I believe this, will it happen, nobody knows PROBABLY CORRECT, BUT SINCE THIS IS MOST UNLIKELY FICTION, WHY WOULD ANYONE CARE TO KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD DO IN A CASE THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN Smile but get your thinking cap on Two- three years from now this might be a different environment TRUE, WE MAY HAVE TO CONTENT WITH TEAMS OF SPACE ALIENS AVERAGING OVER SEVEN FEET IN HEIGHT. Or will it? I don't know but I truly enjoy pushing for creative thinking and believe we must be prepared to support a future at Holy Cross equal or better than today!!! You figure out what that may or may not mean. God Bless and Go Cross Go✝️✝️✝️✝️ INDEED - GO CROSS GO!Thanks for the thoughtful response
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 19, 2023 6:58:21 GMT -5
Heck, it keeps the mind active on a Monday.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Sept 19, 2023 7:41:53 GMT -5
Is there a maximum number of FBS games a FCS team can schedule? One positive of the PL is that it gives you at least 5 OOC games to schedule. To me, if you schedule up to the max OOC you are better off than being a non power FBS program.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 19, 2023 8:00:29 GMT -5
No, the academies are never giving up playing ND or Syracuse to play at Cooper Field, that's a given. But The academies will not drop football to PL level for two reasons: the visibility of the CBS contract and, perhaps more importantly, what a friend of mine in the military called the hallway conversation. No Army four star wants to walk down the halls of the Pentagon and get razzed by a four star in the Air Force telling him that West Point cadets aren't tough enough to compete, but at USAFA, they are. The brass doesn't care much about basketball or field hockey, but success in football is very visible in the services and deemphasis is not an option. Putting that aside, what if the AAC asks Army and Navy to come in for all sports? AFA does it in the Mountain West, albeit not very successfully. If the money is there, it may be an option. The AAC is a very major basketball conference. Adding the service academies does nothing to the attractiveness of said conference to a TV network. I can't imagine those academies pushing the envelope and inviting one-and-dones (either via the NBA draft or the transfer portal).
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Post by timholycross on Sept 19, 2023 8:07:40 GMT -5
What a great voice for comic relief We are in a new world until it no longer exists Did I not state a fact??? Pretty weird that for 27 seasons to win one conference championship to be considered the best team. HC has far from dominated PL play since 1991. But that factoid is, in efg's narrative, irrelevant. All 5 remaining schools might as well close up shop at the FCS football level if there's no post season play to shoot for.
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Post by timholycross on Sept 19, 2023 8:16:07 GMT -5
Is there a maximum number of FBS games a FCS team can schedule? One positive of the PL is that it gives you at least 5 OOC games to schedule. To me, if you schedule up to the max OOC you are better off than being a non power FBS program. I don't think one wants to play more than a couple FBS teams with the scholarship difference (85 vs 63; or 60 in HC's case) and a bunch of similar factors. You'd eventually wear your players down more than they should be worn down. It's already a concern for those programs that advance in the playoffs more than a game or two. In a year, theoretically, the winner and runner up will be playing 16 or 17 games. With the lower number of scholarships!
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Post by res on Sept 19, 2023 9:40:33 GMT -5
Any FCS AD who suggests to his president that now is the time to go FBS with all the chaos there is in FBS should be fired on the spot for incompetence. No one knows what the FBS landscape will look like in five years, except it won't look like what it looks like now. Not only can they not see the light at the end of the tunnel, they can't even find the tunnel. Enjoyed the thread but this statement is way off and not by a little. Its off 30.763 Million between the Patriot and the MAC. Patriot League by tax form 990 $5.240M projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/search?q=Patriot+LeagueThe CAA with football is twice that of the Patriot. For example MAC $35.963M projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/search?q=Mid+American+Athletic+ConferenceThat's great, steve, but unfortunately you've grabbed only the revenue side. You forgot expenses. From that same site, the MAC reports net income in 2022 of just under $1 million. The PL reports roughly half of that. Not much of a difference on a per school basis.
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Post by steve81 on Sept 19, 2023 11:29:31 GMT -5
That's great, steve, but unfortunately you've grabbed only the revenue side. You forgot expenses. From that same site, the MAC reports net income in 2022 of just under $1 million. The PL reports roughly half of that. Not much of a difference on a per school basis. No problem res, however the extra dollars involve do pay for the scholarships, salaries, travel, and improvements. HC has a fine practice facility, but we would never had a full size IPF, new video board, Performance Center with the Hunt Hospitality Suite and terrace for viewing the game. Regarding the net, being non profit most is distributed to the teams so never expect a big net income.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Sept 20, 2023 19:18:40 GMT -5
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Post by cruskater31 on Sept 20, 2023 19:45:29 GMT -5
a promotion and relegation model. I actually kind of like that. Imagine a winning year or two and being promoted from the MWC to the Pac. Wonder if any East Coast conferences would explore a similar model. Certainly is thinking outside the box. SDSU and NDSU are pretty obvious candidates, imo, I wonder what Montana and MSU think.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 20, 2023 20:09:24 GMT -5
Few here are thinking about the future. The comfort zone with past relationships is about nostalgia and not reality. As long as that exists here, on the BOT, and Administration we will be in a position of accepting the crumbs. That is where my old boss Mike Milken would say a single person can change the world.
Let's see how it plays out but I am not hopeful we will make the right decisions- history is on my side
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Post by mainejeff on Sept 20, 2023 20:11:24 GMT -5
Few here are thinking about the future. The comfort zone with past relationships is about nostalgia and not reality. As long as that exists here, on the BOT, and Administration we will be in a position of accepting the crumbs. That is where my old boss Mike Milken would say a single person can change the world. Let's see how it plays out but I am not hopeful we will make the right decisions- history is on my side So true.
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Post by hcpride on Sept 20, 2023 20:16:33 GMT -5
a promotion and relegation model. I actually kind of like that. Imagine a winning year or two and being promoted from the MWC to the Pac. Wonder if any East Coast conferences would explore a similar model. Certainly is thinking outside the box. SDSU and NDSU are pretty obvious candidates, imo, I wonder what Montana and MSU think. The first time Bundesliga promotion/relegation was explained to me (as I sat in the Frankfurt Football Stadium) I was struck by the sheer brilliance of the entire concept. We should have it in the CAA/Patriot League/Pioneer Football League and have Georgetown (for example) sent down to the Pioneer Football League. And the last place Pioneer Football League team gets relegated to DII. And we go up to CAA and Stony Brook (they stink BTW) comes down to the Patriot League.
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Post by efg72 on Sept 20, 2023 20:23:33 GMT -5
Hypothetical exercise
The PL schools decide to be creative and add Southern, Midwest, and West Coast academic schools to create a new FBS conference Should we join Work to make that a new FCS Conference Should it be East/West conference Include all sports or limited to hoops and football
I understand D1 requirements today, but realignment is likely to create exemptions
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 20, 2023 20:24:54 GMT -5
That promotion and relegation model is real food for thought. However, I am not sure it would be possible to get all of those very different teams/schools to agree to it.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 20, 2023 20:49:42 GMT -5
a promotion and relegation model. I actually kind of like that. Imagine a winning year or two and being promoted from the MWC to the Pac. Wonder if any East Coast conferences would explore a similar model. Certainly is thinking outside the box. SDSU and NDSU are pretty obvious candidates, imo, I wonder what Montana and MSU think. The first time Bundesliga promotion/relegation was explained to me (as I sat in the Frankfurt Football Stadium) I was struck by the sheer brilliance of the entire concept. We should have it in the CAA/Patriot League/Pioneer Football League and have Georgetown (for example) sent down to the Pioneer Football League. And the last place Pioneer Football League team gets relegated to DII. And we go up to CAA and Stony Brook (they stink BTW) comes down to the Patriot League. I have never heard that term, "Promotion Relegation" that I can recall but you explained it well and I'm thinking it's a second cousin of ranked choice voting that knocked Sarah Palin out of the race for Congress in Alaska and makes election night interesting in Maine.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 20, 2023 21:52:34 GMT -5
The first time Bundesliga promotion/relegation was explained to me (as I sat in the Frankfurt Football Stadium) I was struck by the sheer brilliance of the entire concept. We should have it in the CAA/Patriot League/Pioneer Football League and have Georgetown (for example) sent down to the Pioneer Football League. And the last place Pioneer Football League team gets relegated to DII. And we go up to CAA and Stony Brook (they stink BTW) comes down to the Patriot League. I have never heard that term, "Promotion Relegation" that I can recall but you explained it well and I'm thinking it's a second cousin of ranked choice voting that knocked Sarah Palin out of the race for Congress in Alaska and makes election night interesting in Maine. Watch the show Welcome to Wrexham and it will show you alot about the English soccer system.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 21, 2023 6:36:38 GMT -5
Or Ted Lasso.
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Post by trimster on Sept 21, 2023 7:32:28 GMT -5
Is there a maximum number of FBS games a FCS team can schedule? One positive of the PL is that it gives you at least 5 OOC games to schedule. To me, if you schedule up to the max OOC you are better off than being a non power FBS program. A poster on the William and Mary board said an FBS program is only allowed to count one FCS win towards bowl eligibility.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 21, 2023 7:35:03 GMT -5
Is there a maximum number of FBS games a FCS team can schedule? One positive of the PL is that it gives you at least 5 OOC games to schedule. To me, if you schedule up to the max OOC you are better off than being a non power FBS program. A poster on the William and Mary board said an FBS program is only allowed to count one FCS win towards bowl eligibility. That is the rule IIRC
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Post by football44 on Sept 21, 2023 8:24:27 GMT -5
a promotion and relegation model. I actually kind of like that. Imagine a winning year or two and being promoted from the MWC to the Pac. Wonder if any East Coast conferences would explore a similar model. Certainly is thinking outside the box. SDSU and NDSU are pretty obvious candidates, imo, I wonder what Montana and MSU think. The first time Bundesliga promotion/relegation was explained to me (as I sat in the Frankfurt Football Stadium) I was struck by the sheer brilliance of the entire concept. We should have it in the CAA/Patriot League/Pioneer Football League and have Georgetown (for example) sent down to the Pioneer Football League. And the last place Pioneer Football League team gets relegated to DII. And we go up to CAA and Stony Brook (they stink BTW) comes down to the Patriot League. Sorry Pride, but the time has come for HC football to look out for HC football. I'm not interested Georgetown football or any other team in the PL. Same is true of the NEC. If we want to continue to bang our chest in pride over our football program we need to be prepared to make a move to strengthen the program and to keep the coaching staff in place and happy. Here's my suggestion. Delaware decides to move to the FBS we jump right into the CAA and take their spot. I don't want to hear about academics (see William and Mary and Villanova). As others on the board have talked about nostalgia, get over it or you are going to get run over by a Mack truck in the form of the 21st Century college football scene. (JMHO)
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Post by dharry13 on Sept 21, 2023 8:27:53 GMT -5
I'm with you on this opinion 44. 100%. PL stinks in pretty much every sport. I'll be happy the day HC is out of it, and just as proud of the degree if we were in the CAA - with a ton better road trips to go to against much better competition.
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Post by mm67 on Sept 21, 2023 8:59:30 GMT -5
Is the PL in danger of ceasing operations? Doesn't seem so to me. It is a stable academics first league of like-minded schools, admittedly more so in football. IMHO the league has the right balance of academics first and athletics. Don't expect the FBS turnover to materially affect the league. Now, if one is interested in a program more heavily weighted toward athletics - larger athletics budgets, more scholarships, non- med redshirts, relaxed standards for athletes and the like then the PL is not the right league. It depends on one's underlying values & where HC best fits.
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Post by rgs318 on Sept 21, 2023 9:12:26 GMT -5
I'm with you on this opinion 44. 100%. PL stinks in pretty much every sport. I'll be happy the day HC is out of it, and just as proud of the degree if we were in the CAA - with a ton better road trips to go to against much better competition. Putting football aside, as you seem to be when you say "PL stinks in pretty much every sport," how will it help HC to play against stronger competition? Will losing by more to stronger opponents somehow be a positive for HC? I am afraid I don't see how. If the PL Stinks, then HC with our annualpoor showing in the President's. Cup is certainly part of the reason. Let's take care of business wihj our own teams first, then perhaps look elsewhere.
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Post by sader1970 on Sept 21, 2023 10:53:34 GMT -5
While recognizing your "pretty much" modifier, and I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm pretty sure that the PL is actually fairly good in some sports with national rankings. LAX or soccer maybe?
That said, you are probably like me that the big ones are football and basketball with a bit of baseball thrown in.
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