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Post by sader1970 on Oct 22, 2023 17:44:07 GMT -5
Not sure this is actually a response to your post but let there be no confusion that I support our players and coaches especially since I've come to know some of them over their years playing. Every one of them (and their families) that I know is a quality person, not just a player. They are true student-athletes in every sense of the word. Our coaching staff, starting with Coach Chesney, are top-notch and quality people who are dedicated to the Holy Cross mission and the student-athletes in their care. As posted previously, in addition to all the home games - weather be darned - I attend them from start to finish and the guys not only appreciate it, they acknowledge it and let me know how much they value the support. And, despite the 3 losses and the very uphill battle to get into the playoffs for a 5th straight time, I will be there rooting them on at Fordham, West Point and back home against Georgetown. I also know that I'm not the only person on this board that does the same. It's these relationships that make Holy Cross special for the players, coaches, staff, alums and fans. (Edit: oh, forgot "students!" Easy to forget them when many are tailgating all game long. )
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Post by efg72 on Oct 24, 2023 16:34:38 GMT -5
They were the better team that day, and despite the obvious matchup issues we were in the game at the end
One game at a time and allow the others in other conferences find ways to win
If we win and they do as well we can call it life
Go Cross Go and kick the heck out of Fordham by one point or more
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Post by efg72 on Oct 24, 2023 16:48:15 GMT -5
I will also say our conference kills us!!!
8-3 or 7-4 in a football conference we play post season
Hoops this year will also excite this group by mid to late December
Stay strong
Go Cross Go!!!
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Post by hc69 on Oct 24, 2023 17:38:53 GMT -5
That assumes we'd have the same record in a "football conference." Considering we've lost to Harvard and Lafayette, it's far from a sure thing that we'd be 8-3 or 7-4 in the CAA this year.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 24, 2023 18:53:36 GMT -5
I will also say our conference kills us!!! 8-3 or 7-4 in a football conference we play post season Hoops this year will also excite this group by mid to late December Stay strong Go Cross Go!!! Easier said than done. We might be 6-5 in the CAA this year.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 24, 2023 19:07:29 GMT -5
I was making the assumption we would have a UNH, Albany, Uri, Nova, Maine type schedule
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 24, 2023 19:17:16 GMT -5
I was making the assumption we would have a UNH, Albany, Uri, Nova, Maine type schedule That’s tough! Four of those five have made appearances in the top 25 at some point this season.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 24, 2023 19:31:48 GMT -5
Currently only Delaware and Nova are ahead of us, but UNH and URI could be close games. W&M would be close but that is one offense I would feel comfortable playing!
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 24, 2023 19:33:06 GMT -5
The PL is 25-21 overall in FCS so far this year and 1-4 against the FBS for a total of 26-25 for all seven teams. That means the PL is +4 against the rest of FCS. Not too shabby. Not a league where national aspirations go to die.
Holy Cross has been in the FCS media spotlight all season. A PL team has every opportunity to make the playoffs, same as teams in "football conferences".
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 24, 2023 19:40:41 GMT -5
Did the Laffy-HC tilt get the same build up as HC-Fordham last year? Maybe not because the Leopards came out of nowhere and last year DeMorat was finishing up a five year romp through the record books.
Next year the Laffy QB will get pub from pre-season on and unless it's Sluka, the HC QB will be on a milk carton to start the season. Might not be much different in "Football Conferences" as it would still be FCS.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 24, 2023 19:47:37 GMT -5
If Sluka returns next season he will be one of ten under consideration for the Heisman- imho
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Post by hchoops on Oct 24, 2023 20:01:40 GMT -5
very doubtful Has there been a top10 FCS player since Gordie? The FCS is invisible to the power people
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Post by cmo on Oct 24, 2023 20:14:30 GMT -5
Steve McNair probably last one.
To your point, I don’t think Trey Lance or Carson Wentz got any heisman love.
Maybe Sluka changes all that. He should.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 24, 2023 20:17:57 GMT -5
very doubtful Has there been a top10 FCS player since Gordie? The FCS is invisible to the power people Steve McNair
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 24, 2023 21:46:44 GMT -5
Can a fourth year player wait to be able to see if he's drafted before deciding whether to play a fifth year? The trend seems to be to empower/unshackle student athletes with NIL and the portal but I vaguely seem to remember you have to give up your eligibility after a certain point regarding the draft but that might just be regarding hiring an agent.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 25, 2023 6:30:31 GMT -5
Can a fourth year player wait to be able to see if he's drafted before deciding whether to play a fifth year? The trend seems to be to empower/unshackle student athletes with NIL and the portal but I vaguely seem to remember you have to give up your eligibility after a certain point regarding the draft but that might just be regarding hiring an agent. To the extent this is applicable, Sam Hartman put his name in the portal DEC 27 2022 (after studying draft projections putting him 3rd or 4th round or worse) and committed to Notre Dame JAN 5 2023 as a graduate transfer and starred in their blue-gold scrimmage in April 2023. His deadline to declare for the draft was JAN 15 (ish) of 2023 and had he done so he would lose college eligibility (actually drafted or not). There are some who may have been able to withdraw their draft eligibility in early FEB 2023 but that did not apply because Sam did not declare. Draft was late APR 2023.
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Post by hc1996 on Oct 25, 2023 7:22:25 GMT -5
If Sluka returns, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that he will be in the Heisman conversation. All it takes is for people that matter to start talking about that. And, that has already started earlier this season. Recall the Harvard coach saying Sluka should be a Heisman candidate. He is literally the best football player on the field in every single game. I am pretty darn confident that he will be the best player on the field against Syracuse next year. At the beginning of this year many were saying he's a lock for the Walter Payton. Maybe that happens, maybe it doesn't. But one thing is for certain, he is one of the top 5 players in all of FCS. To make his chances better, he's a QB. Clearly draws way more attention than other positions when considering Heisman candidates.
Just my opinion, but another year at HC does Sluka far more good than a transfer to an FBS team.
This season isn't over. We are going to win out and these guys are gonna get to show their chops in the postseason again this year.
Let's go HC!!!!
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 25, 2023 7:31:40 GMT -5
If Sluka returns, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that he will be in the Heisman conversation. All it takes is for people that matter to start talking about that. And, that has already started earlier this season. Recall the Harvard coach saying Sluka should be a Heisman candidate. He is literally the best football player on the field in every single game. I am pretty darn confident that he will be the best player on the field against Syracuse next year. At the beginning of this year many were saying he's a lock for the Walter Payton. Maybe that happens, maybe it doesn't. But one thing is for certain, he is one of the top 5 players in all of FCS. To make his chances better, he's a QB. Clearly draws way more attention than other positions when considering Heisman candidates. Just my opinion, but another year at HC does Sluka far more good than a transfer to an FBS team. This season isn't over. We are going to win out and these guys are gonna get to show their chops in the postseason again this year. Let's go HC!!!! While I would love to agree with you, especially Matt staying another year at HC, I totally disagree that him staying at HC increases his chances for a Heisman. Even the top player in all of FCS would have a tough time winning the Heisman (has anyone ever done it?). Those making the selection would immediately conclude, "well, yeah, but the competition he played against is second tier." If he stays at HC, it would show more loyalty to HC and his teammates than we should ever expect of him or anyone else. If he transfers to an FBS school, even a BC (!!!!), and does well at that level, then he's got a Heisman chance. That said, he may figure he's got a better shot at the Payton award and stay with the Crusaders. But never because he thinks staying at HC increases his Heisman chances. Didn't work for Gordie with his two-way expertise.
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Post by hc1996 on Oct 25, 2023 7:44:24 GMT -5
I'm not saying he would win the Heisman. But, he would be in the conversation. Honestly, Lockbaum was never going to actually win the award. He was in the conversation for two years and finished fifth then third, but behind closed doors I'm sure it was known that a division 1-A player had to win.
If Sluka stays, and continues to produce as he has been, of course it increases his chances of being in the Heisman conversation.
I fear that if he transfers to an FBS school, he will get lost in the shuffle. Not because he won't have the potential, but because every other team hasn't been HC and Sluka for the past 3+ years. He's not going to play QB for a Michigan, ND, Georgia, etc. He would wind up at a BC, UConn, Buffalo, etc. I don't like it. I know I'm being selfish and that kid deserves to do whatever he wants, but I honestly believe that he will shine the most and get the most national exposure as a fifth year at HC.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 25, 2023 7:55:57 GMT -5
If Sluka returns, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that he will be in the Heisman conversation. All it takes is for people that matter to start talking about that. And, that has already started earlier this season. Recall the Harvard coach saying Sluka should be a Heisman candidate. He is literally the best football player on the field in every single game. I am pretty darn confident that he will be the best player on the field against Syracuse next year. At the beginning of this year many were saying he's a lock for the Walter Payton. Maybe that happens, maybe it doesn't. But one thing is for certain, he is one of the top 5 players in all of FCS. To make his chances better, he's a QB. Clearly draws way more attention than other positions when considering Heisman candidates. Just my opinion, but another year at HC does Sluka far more good than a transfer to an FBS team. This season isn't over. We are going to win out and these guys are gonna get to show their chops in the postseason again this year. Let's go HC!!!! Not sure our QB will be better positioned at HC next year in terms of team accomplishments/personal accolades/NFL prospects given future offensive line/protection situation. Of course that is part of the calculation he will have to make as well as an asessment of any FBS options, NFL aspirations, position change, etc. At the same time I don't know about the market for a one-year QB, FCS to FBS.
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Post by cruskater31 on Oct 25, 2023 8:21:32 GMT -5
If Sluka returns, there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that he will be in the Heisman conversation. All it takes is for people that matter to start talking about that. And, that has already started earlier this season. Recall the Harvard coach saying Sluka should be a Heisman candidate. He is literally the best football player on the field in every single game. I am pretty darn confident that he will be the best player on the field against Syracuse next year. At the beginning of this year many were saying he's a lock for the Walter Payton. Maybe that happens, maybe it doesn't. But one thing is for certain, he is one of the top 5 players in all of FCS. To make his chances better, he's a QB. Clearly draws way more attention than other positions when considering Heisman candidates. Just my opinion, but another year at HC does Sluka far more good than a transfer to an FBS team. This season isn't over. We are going to win out and these guys are gonna get to show their chops in the postseason again this year. Let's go HC!!!! Not sure our QB will be better positioned at HC next year in terms of team accomplishments/personal accolades/NFL prospects given future offensive line/protection situation. Of course that is part of the calculation he will have to make as well as an asessment of any FBS options, NFL aspirations, position change, etc. At the same time I don't know about the market for a one-year QB, FCS to FBS. I imagine it would have to be the perfect fit. A coach who is going to let "Sluka sluk," a team who needs a starting QB, a team with a good OL, etc. Lot of factors for Matt to consider.
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Post by hc1996 on Oct 25, 2023 8:28:30 GMT -5
Sounds to me like HC is the perfect fit! Coach will let Sluka sluk, team needs him, we've got a good OL. I know there will be some OL changes next year but I'm liking our depth.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 25, 2023 8:36:26 GMT -5
I'm not saying he would win the Heisman. But, he would be in the conversation. Honestly, Lockbaum was never going to actually win the award. He was in the conversation for two years and finished fifth then third, but behind closed doors I'm sure it was known that a division 1-A player had to win. If Sluka stays, and continues to produce as he has been, of course it increases his chances of being in the Heisman conversation. I fear that if he transfers to an FBS school, he will get lost in the shuffle. Not because he won't have the potential, but because every other team hasn't been HC and Sluka for the past 3+ years. He's not going to play QB for a Michigan, ND, Georgia, etc. He would wind up at a BC, UConn, Buffalo, etc. I don't like it. I know I'm being selfish and that kid deserves to do whatever he wants, but I honestly believe that he will shine the most and get the most national exposure as a fifth year at HC. Interesting list of Heisman candidates that year www.sports-reference.com/cfb/awards/heisman-1987.html. Gordie didn't have to play defense that year, team was stacked and very few games were close. Nothing wrong with that, of course; but it did sabotage his chances.
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Post by hc1996 on Oct 25, 2023 8:45:18 GMT -5
Not sure I follow your logic. Are you implying that if he didn't play defense he would have had a better chance of winning the Heisman? My understanding is that it was his two way play that earned him a spot in the Heisman conversation. I'd think that if he played only offense, he wouldn't have been in the conversation.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 25, 2023 9:02:57 GMT -5
Not sure I follow your logic. Are you implying that if he didn't play defense he would have had a better chance of winning the Heisman? My understanding is that it was his two way play that earned him a spot in the Heisman conversation. I'd think that if he played only offense, he wouldn't have been in the conversation. I think hes trying to say that because the games were blowouts, we didn't have to use Gordie as often on defense. That hurt his Heisman chances because he had less defensive stats than if he'd played more snaps on that side of the ball. Yes, the whole reason Lockbaum was in that conversation on the national stage is BECAUSE he was a two-way player.
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