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Post by sader81 on Nov 15, 2023 8:23:42 GMT -5
Was at the game. SH is pretty good. Athletic, good defensive team, and made threes when they needed to. Sad to see Joe Reilly playing for them - he never got a shot at HC, and he’s good! Had one stretch midway through the first half where they came up empty on 6 or so trips in a row. SH took an 8 point lead, and HC couldn’t catch them thereafter. Made a few runs in the second half, but SH responded- as a good team should. This was a bump in the road, but we’re getting there!
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 15, 2023 8:26:22 GMT -5
That sounds promising. Thanks for the post. I no longer feel "the world is ending" after each loss. There are some things to improve, clearly, but there are also some good things these guys are doing. That burst of energy at the end on the last run HC made was something I see happening more in the future (even if not needed in some games where HC has a late lead).
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Post by hchoops on Nov 15, 2023 8:35:34 GMT -5
Are those who were so worried about Batch feeling any better? No His defense, especially at crunch time when his cover Reilly put us away, was not good.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 15, 2023 8:38:31 GMT -5
81's observations are right on. I remind folks that DP has said that this season may well be "2 steps forward and 1 or 1 and a half steps back" and to look for progress not necessarily results. This was a case of SH legitimately beating us rather than us losing to them. Our guys fought to they very end. Oh, SH is better than Georgetown, IMHO.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 15, 2023 8:52:59 GMT -5
SH wasn't about to let this one get away after blowing the lead late against Iona. Lesson learned for our guys - can't expect to consistently win when you are always playing from behind.
Bo really struggled last night unfortunately. Was nice to see Octave continue to be aggressive offensively; hope that continues.
Poor Ryan is singing the Two Fouls in a Minute and I'm Back on the Pine blues.....would like to see him get some extended minutes.
Definitely no padding of the attendance numbers.
Looking ahead at the roster - I really like the all around group; but, I feel like they really need to hit a home run with filling that final slot....in a "large" way.
On to the next new challenge - 3 games in 3 days.
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Post by Tom on Nov 15, 2023 9:21:38 GMT -5
Startling stat-- Nugent, Batchelder, and Williams have combined to play 247 minutes and have taken zero free throws. We need to get these guys to the line. Batch seemed to go to the whole more often than usual last night. Six 2 point field goal attempts. That might suggest that he will eventually be going to the line I think Nugent has two 2 point field goal attempts for the season. He is also a fairly solid looking 6'6". I think he'd be capable of doing more down low (and in so doing getting to the line)
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Post by WCHC Sports on Nov 15, 2023 9:43:13 GMT -5
Are those who were so worried about Batch feeling any better? Didn't see him play, and the team lost. If you feel better then I won't have a nit to pick.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Nov 15, 2023 9:45:39 GMT -5
Did SHU take 25 free throws on the road? That's pretty damn high, and a 2.5x discrepancy against the home team. I wonder if attacking just isn't our game-- usually you'll put the ball on the floor if shots aren't falling. If we're shooting near 40% + it's not as urgent, but few teams are going to win with that big of a charity stripe discrepancy.
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Post by Ray on Nov 15, 2023 9:56:06 GMT -5
Did SHU take 25 free throws on the road? That's pretty damn high, and a 2.5x discrepancy against the home team. I wonder if attacking just isn't our game-- usually you'll put the ball on the floor if shots aren't falling. If we're shooting near 40% + it's not as urgent, but few teams are going to win with that big of a charity stripe discrepancy. I think we're attacking pretty well... when I think of "not attacking", I think of the Carmody offense. We're very different now. Even last night, we won points-in-the-paint, 42-34. (also won 38-18 vs GTown, and 36-32 vs Siena).
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Post by Wayne on Nov 15, 2023 10:12:23 GMT -5
Did SHU take 25 free throws on the road? That's pretty damn high, and a 2.5x discrepancy against the home team. I wonder if attacking just isn't our game-- usually you'll put the ball on the floor if shots aren't falling. If we're shooting near 40% + it's not as urgent, but few teams are going to win with that big of a charity stripe discrepancy. SHU shot 10 free throws in the final 40 seconds when HC was fouling. FT's are a much more even 15-10 when those are taken out.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Nov 15, 2023 10:18:01 GMT -5
Are those who were so worried about Batch feeling any better? Didn't see him play, and the team lost. If you feel better then I won't have a nit to pick. Well, based on the post from hchoops I am concerned- not about his offense, though, but about the defense
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Post by Tom on Nov 15, 2023 10:33:48 GMT -5
Are those who were so worried about Batch feeling any better? Didn't see him play, and the team lost. If you feel better then I won't have a nit to pick. Scored 18. Got burned on D a few times down the stretch -------------------------- Offensively speaking, 4 bench points last night (all from Coulibaly) Singleton and Ryan basically had cameos last night. The bench seems to be getting shorter Minor tangent to short bench. . . Tse wasn't dressed last night
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Post by DiMarz on Nov 15, 2023 10:48:18 GMT -5
Did anybody else notice Chuck Hare sitting in the section behind the HC bench?
No quit from the team, And they did put up points in the 70’s…I don’t think we scored in the 70’s very often in the last few seasons.
Bo played the point guard spot a lot, he didn’t look comforted in that spot. He must have had 4 or 5 shot attempts blocked. I think he needs to pull up on some of those drives into traffic and hit a soft jumper.
The overall lack of speed and quickness was evident last night. SH isa very good team.
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Post by crusader1970 on Nov 15, 2023 12:01:07 GMT -5
As I posted prior to this game, I watched SHU against Iona and noted that their main offensive goal was clearly to get to the basket. They were very successful against a quicker team than us in Iona and, not surprisingly, again last night.
This made me think about HC basketball over the last 25 years and the defensive schemes that have been successful for us.
The two strategies that come to mind are (1) Willard's matchup zone and (2) for a limited period of time, Carmody's 1-3-1.
This causes me to wonder if, even with a fine coach like Paulsen, whether we can experience sustained success playing strictly MTM.
Maybe Paulsen will recruit the kind of players that WILL play MTM well. So I am hopeful looking forward.
However, with this group of players, especially Batch, Nugent, Louth, and Ryan, I can't help but wonder if we could mask some of our lack of foot speed with a zone defense occasionally.
Love to hear others view on this issue.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Nov 15, 2023 12:51:04 GMT -5
Deandre Williams played 20 minutes last night. I watched how he was playing and it seemed clear that he got minutes because he plays sound defense. HC is not a great defensive team, but everyone seems to be working very hard.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 15, 2023 16:05:27 GMT -5
Hey, I predicted 1,200. Had to be a winnah if we were playing The Price Is Right!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 15, 2023 19:39:24 GMT -5
Did SHU take 25 free throws on the road? That's pretty damn high, and a 2.5x discrepancy against the home team. I wonder if attacking just isn't our game-- usually you'll put the ball on the floor if shots aren't falling. If we're shooting near 40% + it's not as urgent, but few teams are going to win with that big of a charity stripe discrepancy. One of the core competencies DP has preached in his interviews since taking over is free throw rate - getting to the line a lot more often (and its corollary, limiting opponent trips to the stripe). So if "attacking" means drawing fouls and getting more of our point total free, we've been bad. (As KY has noted elsewhere, there are guys logging a ton of minutes who have yet to shoot an FT).
HC FTA/FGA Rank
2019-20. 338th 2020-21. 304th 2021-22. 233rd 2022-23 338th 2023 316th
Opponents have gotten to the line 22 times a game. HC averaging fewer than 13 (324th), and two-thirds of those have been from Bo and Louth (9-24).
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Post by hchoops on Nov 15, 2023 20:11:27 GMT -5
As I posted prior to this game, I watched SHU against Iona and noted that their main offensive goal was clearly to get to the basket. They were very successful against a quicker team than us in Iona and, not surprisingly, again last night. This made me think about HC basketball over the last 25 years and the defensive schemes that have been successful for us. The two strategies that come to mind are (1) Willard's matchup zone and (2) for a limited period of time, Carmody's 1-3-1. This causes me to wonder if, even with a fine coach like Paulsen, whether we can experience sustained success playing strictly MTM. Maybe Paulsen will recruit the kind of players that WILL play MTM well. So I am hopeful looking forward. However, with this group of players, especially Batch, Nugent, Louth, and Ryan, I can't help but wonder if we could mask some of our lack of foot speed with a zone defense occasionally. Love to hear others view on this issue. A few points 1- Very few teams play predominantly zone today. The dramatic increase of 3 point attempts has dissuaded even staunch zone disciples, I.e. Boeheim former assistant Mike Hopkins of Washington, Even Boeheim himself said on his way out the door, that if he were coaching in the future , he would severely limit his (in)famous 2-3 2- Thus almost all coaches play all man D, some very well, some average, some poorly. No matter what the conference. The lowly PL has had many top teams play man: Flannery and Paulsen at Bucknell. Langel at Colgate. 3-There are no RWs around who can come close to teaching his very complex match-up. 4- Carmody’s 1-3-1 was effective for fewer than probably 10 games in his years at HC Paulsen is a very good man to man coach, when he has the personnel.( As is true for almost all coaches) Hopefully that will happen at HC.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 15, 2023 20:17:11 GMT -5
Did SHU take 25 free throws on the road? That's pretty damn high, and a 2.5x discrepancy against the home team. I wonder if attacking just isn't our game-- usually you'll put the ball on the floor if shots aren't falling. If we're shooting near 40% + it's not as urgent, but few teams are going to win with that big of a charity stripe discrepancy. One of the core competencies DP has preached in his interviews since taking over is free throw rate - getting to the line a lot more often (and its corollary, limiting opponent trips to the stripe). So if "attacking" means drawing fouls and getting more of our point total free, we've been bad. (As KY has noted elsewhere, there are guys logging a ton of minutes who have yet to shoot an FT).
HC FTA/FGA Rank
2019-20. 338th 2020-21. 304th 2021-22. 233rd 2022-23 338th 2023 316th
Opponents have gotten to the line 22 times a game. HC averaging fewer than 13 (324th), and two-thirds of those have been from Bo and Louth (9-24).
That is.a goal for DP With our personnel it is and will continue to be this season, very difficult to achieve. We can expect at least a slight improvement, but nothing major until we recruit players who can both draw, and avoid, fouls. Also the development of the freshmen should improve this stat.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 15, 2023 20:18:41 GMT -5
People forget that Willard’s defense was really a hybrid of a 2-3 zone with man to man principles.
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Post by hc17 on Nov 15, 2023 20:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by hchoops on Nov 15, 2023 22:30:38 GMT -5
A fine idea
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 16, 2023 11:17:36 GMT -5
Bumping this. Good question.
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Post by Tom on Nov 16, 2023 12:04:29 GMT -5
Bumping this. Good question. I think some unpaid guy who doesn't actually coach, but tracks things like where shots were taken from etc.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Nov 16, 2023 12:16:48 GMT -5
Bumping this. Good question. I think some unpaid guy who doesn't actually coach, but tracks things like where shots were taken from etc. I figured it was a volunteer assistant, but -- like hc17 -- curious who it is.
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