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Post by 78purple on Jan 15, 2024 21:30:14 GMT -5
The Toronto Argonauts and Toronto FC play at the 30,000 seat outdoor BMO (Bank of Montreal) Stadium with heated coils in the soil and grow lamps for the grass. That would have been adequate to handle the game as half of Bills and Steelers fans couldn't get past the border patrol anyway.🙂 Or the Carrier Dome in Syracuse.....which would have absolutely made sense.....it would have been sold out for a change  |
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 15, 2024 21:40:55 GMT -5
The Toronto Argonauts and Toronto FC play at the 30,000 seat outdoor BMO (Bank of Montreal) Stadium with heated coils in the soil and grow lamps for the grass. That would have been adequate to handle the game as half of Bills and Steelers fans couldn't get past the border patrol anyway.🙂 Or the Carrier Dome in Syracuse.....which would have absolutely made sense.....it would have been sold out for a change That's the most logical. Keeps the game in Western (OK, Sader'70 calls it Central) New York. |
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Post by 78purple on Jan 15, 2024 21:47:35 GMT -5
Or the Carrier Dome in Syracuse.....which would have absolutely made sense.....it would have been sold out for a change That's the most logical. Keeps the game in Western (OK, Sader'70 calls it Central) New York. sematics.....its west of Albany, therefore, its western NY |
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 15, 2024 22:14:22 GMT -5
Take it up with ChuChu. I was an immigrant to Syracuse while he is a native. As a good Long Islander, I thought it was all “upstate” (anything north of the Bronx) but was educated when I moved to “central New York” but Buffalo is “Western New York.” 😂
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 16, 2024 6:05:36 GMT -5
Quick Guide
Buffalo/Rochester/Niagara Falls - Western NY
Syracuse/Utica/Watertown - Central NY
Binghamton/Elmira - Southern Tier
Ithaca/Cooperstown - Finger Lakes Region
Albany/Schenectady/Troy/Saratoga - Capital Region
Lake George and up - Adirondack Region
You also have the Catskill Region, NYC of course, LI and the Hudson Valley.
As far as where "upstate" starts, for any reasonable person in NYC, I'd say Dutchess and Ulster Counties. Putnam and Orange -- no. Those who consider Westchester upstate are ridiculous. Where I'm from, you can go on a pub crawl between both the Bronx and Westchester Counties (Yonkers). Is one half the neighborhood NYC and the other half "upstate"? No.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 16, 2024 7:12:32 GMT -5
What about the area in Westchester along The Sound - Port Chester, Rye, Mamaroneck, Larchmont, New Rochelle? Its vibe is quite different than the Hudson River towns/cities -Yonkers, Dobbs Ferry, Hastings Tarrytown, Sleep Hollow, Ossining etc. As a kid leaving the Sound area and exploring the Hudson, it felt like a different country. Enjoyed living near the Sound.
In my adult years moved to North New City in Rockland County & liked it a lot. In fact in many ways I preferred it to my life in Westchester - less congested, bucolic, more spaces, more modern. I'm pretty sure I would have liked Duchess, Orange and points further north in upstate NY. After 37+ years, sold the New City house, downsized to a small apartment in the Riverdale section of the Bronx. It's quite different. Still trying to adjust to put it nicely.
Sometimes simplifying makes life less simple in one's older years.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 16, 2024 7:44:14 GMT -5
Quick Guide Buffalo/Rochester/Niagara Falls - Western NY Syracuse/Utica/Watertown - Central NY Binghamton/Elmira - Southern Tier Ithaca/Cooperstown - Finger Lakes Region Albany/Schenectady/Troy/Saratoga - Capital Region Lake George and up - Adirondack Region You also have the Catskill Region, NYC of course, LI and the Hudson Valley. As far as where "upstate" starts, for any reasonable person in NYC, I'd say Dutchess and Ulster Counties. Putnam and Orange -- no. Those who consider Westchester upstate are ridiculous. Where I'm from, you can go on a pub crawl between both the Bronx and Westchester Counties (Yonkers). Is one half the neighborhood NYC and the other half "upstate"? No. I have no intention of prolonging this digression but only to say that your perspective is different. "any reasonable person in NYC," I was from Long Island which is, as you know, not NYC. To get to anywhere north of NYC, you have to go through the city. So, to go north, is up - i.e. " upstate New York." Now, as I've posted on Crossports, perhaps before you joined, when I was a young kid, we had relatives who lived "upstate" in Hartsdale.  Bottom line, it is perspective and as I aged and moved around, my perspective changed. I lived in Westchester as well. No, I no longer considered it "upstate." I had seen the world (Worcester) by that point.  That said, your listing above was not in my lexicon (but very accurate) until I moved to Syracuse but I have always said that the thing that I learned the most by that move was the perceived geographical sections of the state. The nuns (from Brooklyn) taught me geography well - just not how different areas named themselves. And, finally, look at a map . . . . . to get from LI to anywhere in Westchester or any other county in the state except those in NYC, you have to go north, up the state, upstate. Not ridiculous - perspective, |
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 16, 2024 10:00:14 GMT -5
Tallahassee is north of Miami. To get there from Miami, you'd have to go "up north." But nothing in Florida is "the North."
Westchester is North of Long Island. To get to Hartsdale (where I live now) from Long Island, you'd have to go "north." Hartsdale is not Upstate. It is up the state from any place directionally south of it. I agree that Upstate, from my Westchester-life-long perspective, begins around Dutchess.
mm67, would totally agree that Rye and Hastings are pretty different from one another... but they are all equally not-Upstate in rank and title.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 16, 2024 10:24:56 GMT -5
Born & raised in Westchester. Agree w/WCHC. Of course Westchester is not remotely thought of as upstate. And, Rockland County across the Hudson to the west and north of part of Westchester is not upstate either. Agree upstate begins somewhere around Dutchess east of the Hudson & Orange County across the river. In 78+ years never heard anyone say "I'm goin' upstate to Westchester." Nope! Now I did hear folks say "I'm going to The Island." This term of usage refers to Long Island not Manhattan island. HA! Now, New Jersey? OMG stuff always seems to be happening in Jersey.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jan 16, 2024 10:35:06 GMT -5
Geographically speaking, NY State is hard to describe; on that all can agree.
Speaking of perspective, which city is further west: Los Angeles or Carson City, Nevada?
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 16, 2024 10:47:48 GMT -5
Geographically speaking, NY State is hard to describe; on that all can agree. Speaking of perspective, which city is further west: Los Angeles or Carson City, Nevada? Los Angeles is farther west, but Nevada is the West. Los Angeles is the West Coast. Got it?
Can we all agree to join forces against those lunatics that live in Queens or Brooklyn, but don't say they live on Long Island? You are LITERALLY ON THE ISLAND. You have to cross a bridge or ride a boat to get to your house from other municipalities. It's a borough, it's New York City, but it's on Long Island. I can objectively see it on a map.
[For all those wondering what this has to do with Bill Belichick, this is exactly the type of 48 minute diatribe he'd deliver about punt return formation instead of, you know, the forward pass. That's why this Cowboys fan doesn't want him.]
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jan 16, 2024 10:55:23 GMT -5
Carson City is west of LA.
I'd rather think about geography than wonder where Belichick might end up.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 16, 2024 11:05:55 GMT -5
Whoever signs Belichick should let him coach and not let him anywhere near the GM office.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 16, 2024 11:13:45 GMT -5
Quick Guide Buffalo/Rochester/Niagara Falls - Western NY Syracuse/Utica/Watertown - Central NY Binghamton/Elmira - Southern Tier Ithaca/Cooperstown - Finger Lakes Region Albany/Schenectady/Troy/Saratoga - Capital Region Lake George and up - Adirondack Region You also have the Catskill Region, NYC of course, LI and the Hudson Valley. As far as where "upstate" starts, for any reasonable person in NYC, I'd say Dutchess and Ulster Counties. Putnam and Orange -- no. Those who consider Westchester upstate are ridiculous. Where I'm from, you can go on a pub crawl between both the Bronx and Westchester Counties (Yonkers). Is one half the neighborhood NYC and the other half "upstate"? No. I have no intention of prolonging this digression but only to say that your perspective is different. "any reasonable person in NYC," I was from Long Island which is, as you know, not NYC. To get to anywhere north of NYC, you have to go through the city. So, to go north, is up - i.e. " upstate New York." Now, as I've posted on Crossports, perhaps before you joined, when I was a young kid, we had relatives who lived "upstate" in Hartsdale. Bottom line, it is perspective and as I aged and moved around, my perspective changed. I lived in Westchester as well. No, I no longer considered it "upstate." I had seen the world (Worcester) by that point. That said, your listing above was not in my lexicon (but very accurate) until I moved to Syracuse but I have always said that the thing that I learned the most by that move was the perceived geographical sections of the state. The nuns (from Brooklyn) taught me geography well - just not how different areas named themselves. And, finally, look at a map . . . . . to get from LI to anywhere in Westchester or any other county in the state except those in NYC, you have to go north, up the state, upstate. Not ridiculous - perspective, Long Islanders I guess get a pass. As long as I can say I'm going "out east" to see a basketball or lacrosse game at Hofstra. |
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Post by newfieguy74 on Jan 16, 2024 11:37:40 GMT -5
I've never lived in NY (although my wife grew up in Bronxville and we spend some time each year in Rye), so when I think of "upstate" NY I think of Plattsburgh, Lake Placid, Saranac Lake. After reading this discussion maybe I should expand my definition.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 16, 2024 11:40:14 GMT -5
Belichik or Vrabel to Dallas? Belichik & Jerry Jones in the same organization? Vrabel might be a better fit. Of course a Super Bowl win in Dallas would shut down all Belichik's naysayers. Or, continued failure would be a blow to Belichik's reputation. Of course Belichik wants to continue to do the thing he loves to do, coach. Let the critics stuff it. Will NBC find a way to fill their overflowing coffers further by streaming any future Belichik games exclusively on Peacock? Bill apparently has one goal: more total victories than Shula. I can't remember exactly, but Shula diminished the Patriot's record because they cheated, The Spygate controversy. Bill holds grudges. Jets fans will remember holier-than-thou Don Shula making sure the Orange Bowl field was a quagmire for the 1982 AFC title game. And those that like to trash BB for not winning w/o Tom Brady will note Shula never won WITH Dan Marino. |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 16, 2024 11:55:08 GMT -5
Reasonable conditions by Buffalo standards expected for next Sunday's matchup w/Mahomes, Kelce and Taylor Swift.
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Post by 78purple on Jan 16, 2024 11:59:02 GMT -5
That's the most logical. Keeps the game in Western (OK, Sader'70 calls it Central) New York. sematics.....its west of Albany, therefore, its western NY Whoa, this thread really exploded |
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Post by 78purple on Jan 16, 2024 11:59:58 GMT -5
Bill apparently has one goal: more total victories than Shula. I can't remember exactly, but Shula diminished the Patriot's record because they cheated, The Spygate controversy. Bill holds grudges. Jets fans will remember holier-than-thou Don Shula making sure the Orange Bowl field was a quagmire for the 1982 AFC title game. And those that like to trash BB for not winning w/o Tom Brady will note Shula never won WITH Dan Marino. Exactly.....not many post-Griese Super Bowls period... |
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Post by mm67 on Jan 16, 2024 12:21:25 GMT -5
Best? Good for discussion. Greatest? Lombardi. His value transcends numbers.
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Post by 78purple on Jan 16, 2024 12:58:24 GMT -5
Best? Good for discussion. Greatest? Lombardi. His value transcends numbers. Great debate, but with fewer regular season games, fewer post-season games to reach the championship, no free agency/salary cap, its hard to rank Belichick below Lombardi ( even though my Dad played for him @ St. Cecilia's ) |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 16, 2024 14:32:42 GMT -5
Best? Good for discussion. Greatest? Lombardi. His value transcends numbers. 5 titles in 13 years (you have to count the first 3 as the equivalent of the Super Bowl, as the Packers won as many games as were allowed to) is tough to beat. My dad was a big fan of his; perhaps due to he and Vince having the same job (high school teacher/coach) at the same time (1946). |
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Post by 78purple on Jan 16, 2024 14:51:24 GMT -5
Best? Good for discussion. Greatest? Lombardi. His value transcends numbers. 5 titles in 13 years (you have to count the first 3 as the equivalent of the Super Bowl, as the Packers won as many games as were allowed to) is tough to beat. My dad was a big fan of his; perhaps due to he and Vince having the same job (high school teacher/coach) at the same time (1946). My Dad must have known known your Dad then.........and yes, all the Lombardi stories are true !! |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 16, 2024 18:14:10 GMT -5
5 titles in 13 years (you have to count the first 3 as the equivalent of the Super Bowl, as the Packers won as many games as were allowed to) is tough to beat. My dad was a big fan of his; perhaps due to he and Vince having the same job (high school teacher/coach) at the same time (1946). My Dad must have known known your Dad then.........and yes, all the Lombardi stories are true !! No my dad was doing the same thing Vince was doing, but in Mass....sorry for the confusion. One biographer mentioned that Vince ended up coaching basketball as well and he was good at it despite never playing the game. |
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 16, 2024 18:52:59 GMT -5
IIRC, St Cecilia's won a state title in hoops under Lombardi. They played their games in the cafeteria on a lineoleum tile floor with a 12 foot ceiling...so no long bombs. |
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