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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 21, 2024 8:07:28 GMT -5
I wonder if this was the worst scoring differential in PL games in the program’s history. Doubled up in six of eight games.
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Post by purplefan18 on Apr 24, 2024 16:11:00 GMT -5
For all marbles here I guess... hoping the seniors end on a good note in upstate NY for their final game
Anyone know how you can access the stream?
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 24, 2024 17:20:37 GMT -5
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Post by saderalum1000 on Apr 25, 2024 15:49:02 GMT -5
Crusaders up 5-3 at half in Upstate NY.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 25, 2024 16:58:49 GMT -5
Time for a change in leadership?
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 25, 2024 17:02:53 GMT -5
We led 9-5 after 3 qtrs - then proceed to go scoreless in the 4th while LeMoyne scores 5 times - yes, this 10-9 loss to conclude another miserable season has to increase the concern
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Post by purplefan18 on Apr 25, 2024 17:39:39 GMT -5
Pathetic. Unfair to the kids who dedicate 365 to this
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 25, 2024 20:54:49 GMT -5
We led 9-5 after 3 qtrs - then proceed to go scoreless in the 4th while LeMoyne scores 5 times - yes, this 10-9 loss to conclude another miserable season has to increase the concern Well, Lemoyne was a NCAA D-2 Semifinalist LAST year.
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Post by coneyislanddogs on Apr 25, 2024 23:00:42 GMT -5
Pathetic. Unfair to the kids who dedicate 365 to this Are you referring to the players who were on the team that lost all these games? I played at HC. I lost a lot of games. I never thought it was unfair to me. We weren’t good enough. If I was better, I would have likely gone somewhere else. Probably a better school. We let “kids” off the hook way too easily nowadays. But if your argument is that our school should care about an important sport that has a reflection on our brand, I’m with you. It’s pathetic that we accept basement dwelling. By the way I’m not trying to make this a “gotcha” post despite the tone. It’s simply a reality. So please don’t take offense to this despite the quotation. It’s just how I feel as a former player. No one is forced to come to HC (unless they are a transfer from Columbia).
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Post by hcpride on Apr 26, 2024 5:49:07 GMT -5
If you look back to the first page of the thread, this sort of season was universally predicted by the crossporters AND the 2024 Patriot League Men's Lacrosse Preseason Poll had us dead last by a considerable margin.
It is not the coaching or the facilities or the uniforms or the equipment.
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Post by purplefan18 on Apr 26, 2024 8:53:27 GMT -5
Pathetic. Unfair to the kids who dedicate 365 to this Are you referring to the players who were on the team that lost all these games? I played at HC. I lost a lot of games. I never thought it was unfair to me. We weren’t good enough. If I was better, I would have likely gone somewhere else. Probably a better school. We let “kids” off the hook way too easily nowadays. But if your argument is that our school should care about an important sport that has a reflection on our brand, I’m with you. It’s pathetic that we accept basement dwelling. By the way I’m not trying to make this a “gotcha” post despite the tone. It’s simply a reality. So please don’t take offense to this despite the quotation. It’s just how I feel as a former player. No one is forced to come to HC (unless they are a transfer from Columbia). Actually a very good point - definitely agree the players are too blame and the reality is what it is. More of an reactionary post..agree with the Columbia take too
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Post by saderalum1000 on Apr 26, 2024 10:00:07 GMT -5
Pathetic. Unfair to the kids who dedicate 365 to this Are you referring to the players who were on the team that lost all these games? I played at HC. I lost a lot of games. I never thought it was unfair to me. We weren’t good enough. If I was better, I would have likely gone somewhere else. Probably a better school. We let “kids” off the hook way too easily nowadays. But if your argument is that our school should care about an important sport that has a reflection on our brand, I’m with you. It’s pathetic that we accept basement dwelling. By the way I’m not trying to make this a “gotcha” post despite the tone. It’s simply a reality. So please don’t take offense to this despite the quotation. It’s just how I feel as a former player. No one is forced to come to HC (unless they are a transfer from Columbia). You're absolutely right that Holy Cross is at a talent deficit compared to the other teams on its schedule, but this is on everyone involved in the program, not just the players. Holy Cross lacrosse players don't just spawn and go to HC automatically. You get recruited and likely have options between HC and other schools - it's on the coach and the school to differentiate itself to get kids in the door. The reality is everything the school and team has to offer goes into recruiting: how good is the education going to be? How good is the coach? How good is the team? Do I like the guys on the team? How good is the support around the team? How much scholarship money are they offering me? Will I have fun here? The list goes on and on. Holy Cross is in a uniquely difficult position to recruit top tier talent and get players that are able to excel without stellar coaching. The school prides itself on being academically equivalent to an Ivy (which it's not) and thus the academic admission standards rule out a large portion of very good lacrosse players. The school also gives out very little merit based academic scholarship money, so your recruit with a 36 on the ACT and a 4.0 would way rather go to Harvard for the same price and a better education. Academics aside, Holy Cross is quite expensive and the lacrosse team has very little scholarship money, meaning the coaches have to go out and find parents who can and are willing to paying over 80k per year, again reducing the amount of players you can even think about recruiting. I could go on forever about the gear and social media (which kids really do care about when choosing a school) but I'll save that for another day. That being said, we do have to offer a beautiful athletic complex, indoor field, great weight room and locker room - all the facilities besides Father K are a big plus for recruiting. In summary, getting these good players to Holy Cross is very very difficult. You either need to change some of the above (mostly the scholarship $) or the coach needs to be able to operate within the significant constraints that are out there and try to put together a winning team. Lattimore's reign did not work out very well for a number of reasons but they won and competed because he was creative and different in his approach to how to get the guys to perform in the best way they possibly could given the constraints. The players work very hard and care - the harsh reality is we just need better players.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 26, 2024 13:22:29 GMT -5
Excellent post. HC could redirect money from the pledge to meet the full financial need of every enrolled student to providing high amounts of merit and athletic scholarship aid to the students it thinks will help the college the most.
That approach has weaknesses also as the lower range of admitted students might have to be richer with lower academic aptitude than currently and diversity could suffer. It's tough but you can't spend the same dollar twice.
The only wiggle room might be budgeting a little extra to attract and retain the small percentage of coaches who have proven they can recruit, scheme, motivate and win at Holy Cross or a reasonable facsimile of Holy Cross. I think Kit has come close to this with the Paulsen and Curran hires and MB did a good job identifying Magarity and Riga. The question is how much money is there to implement that strategy in the non-revenue sports? Apparently not enough.
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Post by purplesader89 on Apr 26, 2024 13:43:32 GMT -5
Excellent post. HC could redirect money from the pledge to meet the full financial need of every enrolled student to providing high amounts of merit and athletic scholarship aid to the students it thinks will help the college the most. That approach has weaknesses also as the lower range of admitted students might have to be richer with lower academic aptitude than currently and diversity could suffer. It's tough but you can't spend the same dollar twice. The only wiggle room might be budgeting a little extra to attract and retain the small percentage of coaches who have proven they can recruit, scheme, motivate and win at Holy Cross or a reasonable facsimile of Holy Cross. I think Kit has come close to this with the Paulsen and Curran hires and MB did a good job identifying Magarity and Riga. The question is how much money is there to implement that strategy in the non-revenue sports? Apparently not enough. Agree on this front, I wonder though, does it more have to do with Title 9 for scholarships/scholarship money? Because I highly doubt the the school will go the extra mile (i.e discounting academic prowess and diversity) for a competitive lacrosse team.
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Post by saderalum1000 on Apr 26, 2024 13:55:39 GMT -5
Excellent post. HC could redirect money from the pledge to meet the full financial need of every enrolled student to providing high amounts of merit and athletic scholarship aid to the students it thinks will help the college the most. That approach has weaknesses also as the lower range of admitted students might have to be richer with lower academic aptitude than currently and diversity could suffer. It's tough but you can't spend the same dollar twice. The only wiggle room might be budgeting a little extra to attract and retain the small percentage of coaches who have proven they can recruit, scheme, motivate and win at Holy Cross or a reasonable facsimile of Holy Cross. I think Kit has come close to this with the Paulsen and Curran hires and MB did a good job identifying Magarity and Riga. The question is how much money is there to implement that strategy in the non-revenue sports? Apparently not enough. Genuine question: What (if any) HC sports really generate revenue? I could see football, but beyond that I can't image many are getting close to breaking even.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 26, 2024 14:01:03 GMT -5
Excellent post. HC could redirect money from the pledge to meet the full financial need of every enrolled student to providing high amounts of merit and athletic scholarship aid to the students it thinks will help the college the most. That approach has weaknesses also as the lower range of admitted students might have to be richer with lower academic aptitude than currently and diversity could suffer. It's tough but you can't spend the same dollar twice. The only wiggle room might be budgeting a little extra to attract and retain the small percentage of coaches who have proven they can recruit, scheme, motivate and win at Holy Cross or a reasonable facsimile of Holy Cross. I think Kit has come close to this with the Paulsen and Curran hires and MB did a good job identifying Magarity and Riga. The question is how much money is there to implement that strategy in the non-revenue sports? Apparently not enough. Genuine question: What (if any) HC sports really generate revenue? I could see football, but beyond that I can't image many are getting close to breaking even. Football loses a ton of money each year. No sport generates revenue at HC.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 26, 2024 14:24:08 GMT -5
Excellent post. HC could redirect money from the pledge to meet the full financial need of every enrolled student to providing high amounts of merit and athletic scholarship aid to the students it thinks will help the college the most. That approach has weaknesses also as the lower range of admitted students might have to be richer with lower academic aptitude than currently and diversity could suffer. It's tough but you can't spend the same dollar twice. The only wiggle room might be budgeting a little extra to attract and retain the small percentage of coaches who have proven they can recruit, scheme, motivate and win at Holy Cross or a reasonable facsimile of Holy Cross. I think Kit has come close to this with the Paulsen and Curran hires and MB did a good job identifying Magarity and Riga. The question is how much money is there to implement that strategy in the non-revenue sports? Apparently not enough. Genuine question: What (if any) HC sports really generate revenue? I could see football, but beyond that I can't image many are getting close to breaking even. As at most schools, football is a huge loss for a college.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 26, 2024 14:57:34 GMT -5
I was using revenue sport interchangeably with a sport that charges admission. No sport generates a profit obviously. A better delineation might be scholarship and non-scholarship sport.
B.U. and Northeastern considered the expense of football along with being land poor in an expensive and small land area city and dropped the sport. Holy Cross at least has paid for stadiums for both football and baseball, two sports that Boston University dropped and repurposed the facilities.
It would be quite challenging for HC to repurpose Fitton Field. After the huge expense of taking down the stands you are left with a flood plain. FB also offers a great means of community and school spirit from ages three to 93 for Sader Nation, so I hope it is still being played a century from now.
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Post by purplefan18 on Apr 26, 2024 15:59:59 GMT -5
Agreed on all these points. “Talent” (if you want to call it that) lets you beat sacred heart, Lafayette in 2021, and go up 9-5 against lemoyne.
Losing is also a habit. It’s a contagious ugly habit. I’m not saying 5-9 is great but these kids would PRAY for that. When you get a kid going to holy cross, they don’t think they’re playing for navy, maryland, etc. . So don’t coach them like that. Lattimore coached them like they were holy cross players. That’s why a bunch of BU commits beat Army, and a bunch of Colgate commits beat Penn State this year.
I get it, Holy Cross players aren’t cream of the crop, but a bunch of “three stars” (paid ratings by the way) aren’t the be all end all when they can’t break this stain of losing….
Players are OK (good enough to beat middle of the pack teams with scheme), facilities are top notch, academics are respectable, money is money. Money gets you MAYBE 2-3 more goals a game?!?! It’s not the ultimate fix. Nobody is saying facilities will solve this. Treat holy cross commits like they are supposed to be treated.
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Post by purplefan18 on Apr 26, 2024 16:04:38 GMT -5
If it’s just talent, why doesn’t Duke win every year?
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Post by beachbound on Apr 26, 2024 20:02:03 GMT -5
I think you under value the importance of scholarships. It has made a big difference for the women’s program in the last 2 years. As someone who is paying 2 college tuitions and has a junior in high school, who is going to play lax in college, it is a big factor in the recruiting process.
And btw, ND has the best goalie in the country, and that was the difference last year in the national championship.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 26, 2024 20:04:58 GMT -5
If it’s just talent, why doesn’t Duke win every year? Duke isn't the most talented team every year
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Post by coneyislanddogs on Apr 27, 2024 15:20:15 GMT -5
Lacrosse is a pretty simple sport. You need at least a couple of middies who can draw a slide, an attackman or two who can finish, a fogo who can win more than 50% and a well coached defense. That’s a baseline, obviously not a PL championship winning formula. But we lack most if not all of those.
Takeaway D, depth, d pole beaters at Attack and Middy are what legit programs have. Thats where scholarships and academic flexibility need more application (I think).
It’s really not that hard to do, but HC doesn’t want to.
BU figured it out in like 2 yrs. I know lax isn’t important to everyone, but I just think all alums need to be concerned that our supposedly high caliber educational institution can’t successfully field a sport that more and more people care about. As was mentioned none of our sports are for-profit, but they all reflect our brand and pride in where we attended.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 27, 2024 17:25:17 GMT -5
Lacrosse is a pretty simple sport. You need at least a couple of middies who can draw a slide, an attackman or two who can finish, a fogo who can win more than 50% and a well coached defense. That’s a baseline, obviously not a PL championship winning formula. But we lack most if not all of those. Takeaway D, depth, d pole beaters at Attack and Middy are what legit programs have. Thats where scholarships and academic flexibility need more application (I think). It’s really not that hard to do, but HC doesn’t want to. BU figured it out in like 2 yrs. I know lax isn’t important to everyone, but I just think all alums need to be concerned that our supposedly high caliber educational institution can’t successfully field a sport that more and more people care about. As was mentioned none of our sports are for-profit, but they all reflect our brand and pride in where we attended. My neighborhood is loaded with lacrosse nets. You don't hear the slap of a baseball against a glove that much anymore.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 29, 2024 6:48:39 GMT -5
Lacrosse is a pretty simple sport. You need at least a couple of middies who can draw a slide, an attackman or two who can finish, a fogo who can win more than 50% and a well coached defense. That’s a baseline, obviously not a PL championship winning formula. But we lack most if not all of those. Takeaway D, depth, d pole beaters at Attack and Middy are what legit programs have. Thats where scholarships and academic flexibility need more application (I think). It’s really not that hard to do, but HC doesn’t want to. BU figured it out in like 2 yrs. I know lax isn’t important to everyone, but I just think all alums need to be concerned that our supposedly high caliber educational institution can’t successfully field a sport that more and more people care about. As was mentioned none of our sports are for-profit, but they all reflect our brand and pride in where we attended. You would think Holy Cross would succeed as many of the best high school programs in the country are elite prep schools or suburban schools in metro areas
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