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Post by hc69 on Aug 1, 2024 14:45:46 GMT -5
From the rest of his post my guess is that #5yearplan refers a plan he had to get into the best college he could, not how long he wants to play college football. And my guess that his need-based aid package would be close to a full ride no matter where he went. Doesn't sound like a kid who comes from money. I really hope that’s the case. He’s a full ride FCS talent. He does attend a nice prep school (Salisbury) in CT although it’s possible he could be on a financial aid package there as well. Be a shame to make parents fork over a quarter million for just the G’Town diploma. Was Salisbury a fifth year?
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Post by alum on Aug 1, 2024 14:46:38 GMT -5
Wonder what #5yearplan means ? I think maybe it was 5 years in high school. I found a 2022 roster from Salisbury listing him as a 2024.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Aug 1, 2024 14:48:18 GMT -5
I really hope that’s the case. He’s a full ride FCS talent. He does attend a nice prep school (Salisbury) in CT although it’s possible he could be on a financial aid package there as well. Be a shame to make parents fork over a quarter million for just the G’Town diploma. Was Salisbury a fifth year? Doesn’t look so. He lists his 4 seasons there as 2021-2024. Doesn’t look like a PG year at first glance. He would have to have gone somewhere else as a freshman and then transferred to Salisbury repeating freshman year if so.
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Post by hcnj on Aug 1, 2024 15:06:53 GMT -5
Good player, I wish we got him, congrats to Gtown. Curran showed last year how resourceful he can be with some of our later signings.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 1, 2024 15:34:02 GMT -5
From the rest of his post my guess is that #5yearplan refers a plan he had to get into the best college he could, not how long he wants to play college football. And my guess that his need-based aid package would be close to a full ride no matter where he went. Doesn't sound like a kid who comes from money. I really hope that’s the case. He’s a full ride FCS talent. He does attend a nice prep school (Salisbury) in CT although it’s possible he could be on a financial aid package there as well. Be a shame to make the parents fork over a quarter million just for the G’Town diploma when you had a full ride (or close to one) at HC, Nova and Richmond. Gtown full cost, with expenses, is about $88-92k/year and likely to be $100 by time he graduates So if they are paying it will be no less than $360k
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Post by midwestsader05 on Aug 3, 2024 0:02:09 GMT -5
Offer #40 Derek Hite LB/TE 6'2 210 Cressan, PA Offers - St. Francis, Bucknell, Richmond Hite to VMI.
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Post by hc1996 on Aug 3, 2024 7:20:58 GMT -5
Offer #40 Derek Hite LB/TE 6'2 210 Cressan, PA Offers - St. Francis, Bucknell, Richmond Hite to VMI. I wonder what our yield rate is for kids who think it’s “Holy Cross University”? I’m guessing low.
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Post by hcnj on Aug 3, 2024 12:38:22 GMT -5
Re: University vs college: I doubt it matters much. Probably the farther away a recruit is from the NEast the more often they think "university". Most times you just say "I'm going to Holy Cross". We're a lot more conscious of it.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 3, 2024 16:05:30 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 3, 2024 17:03:57 GMT -5
Perhaps he wanted to walk in the steps of Stonewall Jackson at VMI...tough to compete with that.
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Post by hcnj on Aug 3, 2024 18:08:52 GMT -5
Perhaps he wanted to walk in the steps of Stonewall Jackson at VMI...tough to compete with that. Still the road less traveled for most given his available offers. If he was a LB recruit for us and was a level one recruit his options were probably gone with us when Georgs committed and Soltis who wanted to be a LB over TE committed to Richmond so things may have tightened up for him. Or VMI was just a great fit. 05 and Harry had pointed out the Soltis and Georgs angles elsewhere a while back that you have to be careful when thinking that someone picked another school without accounting for the fact we might have filled the spot with perhaps someone we liked a little more.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 3, 2024 18:10:36 GMT -5
After the college vs university discussion, how ironic that he went to one of the few D1 institutions that is neither!
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Post by midwestsader05 on Aug 4, 2024 6:51:05 GMT -5
Perhaps he wanted to walk in the steps of Stonewall Jackson at VMI...tough to compete with that. Still the road less traveled for most given his available offers. If he was a LB recruit for us and was a level one recruit his options were probably gone with us when Georgs committed and Soltis who wanted to be a LB over TE committed to Richmond so things may have tightened up for him. Or VMI was just a great fit. 05 and Harry had pointed out the Soltis and Georgs angles elsewhere a while back that you have to be careful when thinking that someone picked another school without accounting for the fact we might have filled the spot with perhaps someone we liked a little more. This is correct. Hite was not a level one (75% - full) and his offer was not committable once Georgs committed. This is why Harry and I try to lay out how many players and what types we are taking at each position. Specific to LB, RB, QB and WR, we had to be very strategic to try to find a level one talent at one of these positions but for closer to level two money. Curran is investing heavily into the OL and DL this class despite its smaller size
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Post by alum on Aug 4, 2024 7:02:32 GMT -5
Still the road less traveled for most given his available offers. If he was a LB recruit for us and was a level one recruit his options were probably gone with us when Georgs committed and Soltis who wanted to be a LB over TE committed to Richmond so things may have tightened up for him. Or VMI was just a great fit. 05 and Harry had pointed out the Soltis and Georgs angles elsewhere a while back that you have to be careful when thinking that someone picked another school without accounting for the fact we might have filled the spot with perhaps someone we liked a little more. This is correct. Hite was not a level one (75% - full) and his offer was not committable once Georgs committed. This is why Harry and I try to lay out how many players and what types we are taking at each position. Can you share, if you know, the percentage of football players HC brings in on full scholarships vs. partials? (I recognize that a new coach may have different thoughts about that.)
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 4, 2024 9:26:49 GMT -5
And I will ask, when you post that we are looking for X# of LBs, OLs, etc., is that from some inside sources or speculation/guesswork on your part?
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Post by hcnj on Aug 4, 2024 9:52:22 GMT -5
And I will ask, when you post that we are looking for X# of LBs, OLs, etc., is that from some inside sources or speculation/guesswork on your part? That's probably not a fair question. More important is their great track record of being correct about their conclusions as to our needs.
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Post by hcnj on Aug 4, 2024 10:00:15 GMT -5
Alum, I have no inside knowledge but regarding fulls vs partials my thought is we have a bucket of money and depending on the size of the class and critical positions, guys we rate high vs other schools (l hate to sayit but that's leverage), financial situations of families sometimes can help. I don't know but I've wondered if there is any allowable non scholarship money available to an athlete that would eligible even as a non athlete. A WAG would be halfish goes to level 1 and half gets parsed out. But the experts will know more
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Post by midwestsader05 on Aug 4, 2024 12:26:37 GMT -5
No more signals as it’s camp time but got a feeling we might get some good news very soon.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Aug 4, 2024 12:40:31 GMT -5
This is correct. Hite was not a level one (75% - full) and his offer was not committable once Georgs committed. This is why Harry and I try to lay out how many players and what types we are taking at each position. Can you share, if you know, the percentage of football players HC brings in on full scholarships vs. partials? (I recognize that a new coach may have different thoughts about that.) I can look at the roster and jot down some numbers when I have time. And as we’ve said before, the Chesney era brought in tons of kids on low partial's or even PWOs, that eventually got bumped up to a full or near. So for partials that become big hits, it’s fluid and can change year to Year.
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Post by dharry13 on Aug 5, 2024 7:39:55 GMT -5
Strictly ballpark for a roster of 98 kids. You're probably looking at 80 on some form of scholarship and 18 non scholarship. Keep in mind the max is 85 kids on some form of scholarship. In terms of full scholarships of the 80 - it's about 30-35.
Think of it this way. It's about 15 per class with 4 classes. Of those 15 and a 24 man class - you're probably looking at 20 on some form of scholarship and 4 PWO's. I'm using generalities for this argument. Of the 20 kids getting scholarships you're probably looking at 8-10 each class on a full - most likely closer to 8. and the other 10-12 are on some form of partial - ranging from 5% to probably 75-80%.
That's a rough idea of how this all works without getting too granular.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 5, 2024 9:42:17 GMT -5
Strictly ballpark for a roster of 98 kids. You're probably looking at 80 on some form of scholarship and 18 non scholarship. Keep in mind the max is 85 kids on some form of scholarship. In terms of full scholarships of the 80 - it's about 30-35. Think of it this way. It's about 15 per class with 4 classes. Of those 15 and a 24 man class - you're probably looking at 20 on some form of scholarship and 4 PWO's. I'm using generalities for this argument. Of the 20 kids getting scholarships you're probably looking at 8-10 each class on a full - most likely closer to 8. and the other 10-12 are on some form of partial - ranging from 5% to probably 75-80%. That's a rough idea of how this all works without getting too granular. Looked at another way for an FCS school maxing out at 85 rostered players receiving fin aid... Illustratively, an average of 8 fulls per year = 32 fulls. Subtract 32 from the 85 max number of athletes receiving any fin aid. = 53 partials. 53 partials = an average of 13 partials per class year. Total of 85 players receiving fin aid, which is the cap. -------------- If a school awarded an average of 11 fulls a year, that's a total of 44. 85 - 44 = 41 partials, or an average of 8 per year. 8 + 11 = 19 per year receiving fin aid, or a total of 76 rostered players receiving fin aid.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Aug 6, 2024 11:49:29 GMT -5
With OL Enright now a Crusader - only really ~5-6 missing positions to watch through the fall.
CB DE DL/DT RB
P/K - not sure if they will take one specialist for each or one player that does both. Seems like they want 1 Punter AND 1 Kicker.
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Post by hcnj on Aug 6, 2024 16:41:49 GMT -5
With OL Enright now a Crusader - only really ~5-6 missing positions to watch through the fall. CB DE DL/DT RB P/K - not sure if they will take one specialist for each or one player that does both. Seems like they want 1 Punter AND 1 Kicker. I guessed wrong on who might be the next commit. There's a DL/DT target that posted his list of 12 offers Sunday night with the brief message "Blessed". I thought it was a prelude to a quick announcement that would coincide with your feeling that we were close to new commitment. We're seeing Buffalo a fair amount on our competition.
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Post by dharry13 on Aug 6, 2024 17:32:40 GMT -5
That recruit is Tim Taylor and HC is very high on his list. That I know for sure. I'm not sure who the commit would be as it's just a gut feeling. It wouldn't shock me if they get another DL though.
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Post by hcnj on Aug 6, 2024 20:24:28 GMT -5
That recruit is Tim Taylor and HC is very high on his list. That I know for sure. I'm not sure who the commit would be as it's just a gut feeling. It wouldn't shock me if they get another DL though. Right Harry, I put 2 and 2 together and got 5. Glad to hear you think we're still active with TT. He looks to be a very good prospect
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