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Post by hc1998 on Mar 25, 2024 7:35:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I didn't get the memo that all youth sports were cancelled yesterday so that "every young girl in the US who plays sports" can watch the game with her parents...if I knew that I clearly would have agreed with you Wow, took you two days to come up with that response. You may or may not know this but things on TV can be taped now to view later, an option not available in 1977. Provide the stats to prove me wrong and dinner is on me. P.S. I will also wager that more people in Ireland watched HC/Iowa than watched HC/Michigan in 1977. Actually, no...I came up with the response immediately. It took me 2 days to have sufficient down time to check in with what people here had to say. I still stand by my premise...with less viewing options at the time, I believe 1977 will have higher viewership. Look historically at the most watched programs, with the exception of the Super Bowl (which is watched almost to the exclusion of everything else), the highest rated programs, with the exception of the Trump-Clinton debates, all date to the 90s or earlier, when there were less viewing options. The highest rated non-super bowl, remains, to this day, the M*A*S*H finale
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 25, 2024 7:47:33 GMT -5
She plays with an edge and a personality Much like other great players like Pistol Pete Yeah, but her on-court demeanor needs work....that stuff is not going to work at the next level... It might, because she will be the Michael Jordan of the WNBA from Day 1. At least as far as the pedestal she'll be put on by the media. Won't be easy, people will be expecting her to score 30 every game and dominate like she did college. Bar has never been set higher for an incoming WNBA player. Taurasi distant 2nd in that regard.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 25, 2024 7:52:47 GMT -5
OK, enough of this, I concede that both HC games had huge audiences and that's all that counts. I certainly watched that game in 1977. I ran into Mike Vicens at Mac's Diner a few years back and told him that John Wooden said during that game that he did not realize how good "Vincennes" was. Regarding Clark and women's basketball, take a look at this recent study (March 20) from Seton Hall entitled: "Poll: Caitlin Clark Tops Basketball Popularity; Women's Tournament Likely to Break Viewer Records". I would attach it but I'm not "tech savvy". If I ever run into you at a game, I'll buy you dinner anyway. Best.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 25, 2024 8:04:36 GMT -5
Yeah, but her on-court demeanor needs work....that stuff is not going to work at the next level... It might, because she will be the Michael Jordan of the WNBA from Day 1. At least as far as the pedestal she'll be put on by the media. Won't be easy, people will be expecting her to score 30 every game and dominate like she did college. Bar has never been set higher for an incoming WNBA player. Taurasi distant 2nd in that regard. I agree. There are a fair amount of detractors to her game (several high profile ones emerged when she was closing in on various records) but certainly the WNBA/TV execs see her as an opportunity. I’m treading lightly here but she may have significantly broader appeal than some of their other stars for a number of reasons. Soooo, her success in the WNBA is something WNBA/TV execs really really really want. Beyond that, one of Pistol Pete’s problems was the mismatch with his first team. CC is all set in that particular regard.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 25, 2024 8:10:19 GMT -5
It might, because she will be the Michael Jordan of the WNBA from Day 1. At least as far as the pedestal she'll be put on by the media. Won't be easy, people will be expecting her to score 30 every game and dominate like she did college. Bar has never been set higher for an incoming WNBA player. Taurasi distant 2nd in that regard. I agree. There are a fair amount of detractors to her game (several high profile ones emerged when she was closing in on various records) but certainly the WNBA/TV execs see her as an opportunity. I’m treading lightly here but she may have broader appeal than some of their other stars for a number of reasons. Soooo, her success in the WNBA is something WNBA/TV execs really really really want. One of Pistol Pete’s problems was the mismatch with his first team. I don’t think that’ll be an issue initially with CC. The WNBA seems to be really blowing it not having a franchise in Boston. I doubt too many Greater Bostonians drive 100 miles to Mohegan Sun. Or, at least have the CT franchise play a few games in the Gahden.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 25, 2024 8:17:14 GMT -5
If you listen just at the end of the first half when they're interviewing the Iowa coach at the bench, you can hear Chu Chu until the Iowa band starts playing. Generally with the NCAA there's set times for both teams bands to play and timeouts are assigned etc. From what I heard, sounds like Iowa just played over the GT Pep Band I can tell you one thing the Jackson State band is better than UConn's Saw something today where the Yale band yesterday in Spokane was actually Idaho's Guess the boola boola boys don't open the purse strings for special events.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 25, 2024 8:19:15 GMT -5
Caitlin Clark's counterpart in music for the past year or so is Taylor Swift. I admire the way Swift built her business and has kept her fans and how much joy they get from following her. I'll give Clark a couple of years to see if young girls are lining up at the turnstyles when her WNBA team comes to their region. Maybe it's not a fair comparison. The WNBA plays 40 games a year and Swift only tours once every few years.
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Post by mm67 on Mar 25, 2024 8:33:51 GMT -5
Caitlin Clark recently turned 22. Obviously, her demeanor during games needs to improve.She's young & acting out. She will grow & learn. She's a terrific player at the college level. She'll be fine. Hope she has a successful pro career and a happy fulfilling life.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Mar 25, 2024 8:39:15 GMT -5
Caitlin Clark recently turned 22. Obviously, her demeanor during games needs to improve.She's young & acting out. She will grow & learn. She's a terrific player at the college level. She'll be fine. Hope she has a successful pro career and a happy fulfilling life. My opinion of Clark has softened a bit when I think of the demands and pressure on her. I ask myself how well I might have handled it all when I was her age (hint: not well).
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Post by HC13 on Mar 25, 2024 8:46:45 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how her game translates to the WNBA. Will it take her a while to find her way as it did a bit for Kelsey Plum?
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 25, 2024 9:09:00 GMT -5
I agree. There are a fair amount of detractors to her game (several high profile ones emerged when she was closing in on various records) but certainly the WNBA/TV execs see her as an opportunity. I’m treading lightly here but she may have broader appeal than some of their other stars for a number of reasons. Soooo, her success in the WNBA is something WNBA/TV execs really really really want. One of Pistol Pete’s problems was the mismatch with his first team. I don’t think that’ll be an issue initially with CC. The WNBA seems to be really blowing it not having a franchise in Boston. I doubt too many Greater Bostonians drive 100 miles to Mohegan Sun. Or, at least have the CT franchise play a few games in the Gahden. The Sun are playing a game at the Garden this summer against the Sparks.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Mar 25, 2024 9:10:28 GMT -5
My take on watching the game:
- HC played their strategy early and it worked. The same strategy saw stars when the Crusaders were tired and getting diced by some really good Iowa ball movement in the second half. - HC missed a lot of free throws and layups when Iowa's two big runs occurred. The gaps grew when HC couldn't find the bottom of the net. - #15 had a bunch of turnovers when she saw the floor. Lots of giveaways. Tough game. - HC rebounding in the second half on the defensive end, whether it was position or just some tired legs, wasn't as successful. - It's a bit ridiculous to play the #1 seed in their home gym in an NCAA tournament. Neutral site-- even if closer to that team than the lower seed-- would be much more fair. - The refs were impacted by that fact, at least in the first half it seemed. HC didn't bang as much inside later in the game. - HC was still not intimidated and although the talent gap showed itself, the team stood toe-to-toe with a true #1 and it didn't look like they didn't belong on the same floor.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 25, 2024 9:17:15 GMT -5
Caitlin Clark's counterpart in music for the past year or so is Taylor Swift. I admire the way Swift built her business and has kept her fans and how much joy they get from following her. I'll give Clark a couple of years to see if young girls are lining up at the turnstyles when her WNBA team comes to their region. Maybe it's not a fair comparison. The WNBA plays 40 games a year and Swift only tours once every few years. The idea of legions of young girl fans (and their families) jamming the turnstiles to watch women’s hoops has been the WNBA’s dream since it began. Somehow, despite some very popular college players, it hadn’t consistently materialized. Some poor choices and poor messaging by the WNBA accounts for a part of that. They need an appealing star and, with any luck, the leading pros in the WNBA can appreciate that they themselves will benefit from CC’s success - but I’m not so sure.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 25, 2024 9:25:48 GMT -5
Caitlin Clark's counterpart in music for the past year or so is Taylor Swift. I admire the way Swift built her business and has kept her fans and how much joy they get from following her. I'll give Clark a couple of years to see if young girls are lining up at the turnstyles when her WNBA team comes to their region. Maybe it's not a fair comparison. The WNBA plays 40 games a year and Swift only tours once every few years. The idea of legions of young girl fans (and their families) jamming the turnstiles to watch women’s hoops has been the WNBA’s dream since it began. Somehow, despite some very popular college players, it hadn’t consistently materialized. Some poor choices and poor messaging by the WNBA accounts for a part of that. They need an appealing star and, with any luck, the leading pros in the WNBA can appreciate that they themselves will benefit from CC’s success - but I’m not so sure. Yeah, the veterans may give her a "BPC welcome."🤣
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Post by gks on Mar 25, 2024 9:31:17 GMT -5
Caitlin Clark's counterpart in music for the past year or so is Taylor Swift. I admire the way Swift built her business and has kept her fans and how much joy they get from following her. I'll give Clark a couple of years to see if young girls are lining up at the turnstyles when her WNBA team comes to their region. Maybe it's not a fair comparison. The WNBA plays 40 games a year and Swift only tours once every few years. The idea of legions of young girl fans (and their families) jamming the turnstiles to watch women’s hoops has been the WNBA’s dream since it began. Somehow, despite some very popular college players, it hadn’t consistently materialized. Some poor choices and poor messaging by the WNBA accounts for a part of that. They need an appealing star and, with any luck, the leading pros in the WNBA can appreciate that they themselves will benefit from CC’s success - but I’m not so sure. Always thought WNBA playing in the spring/summer hurt their reach. I understand arena availability, tv windows, etc. There's something to be said that sports should be played in their seasons. It'll probably never happen but would like to see how the WNBA would do if they played during traditional basketball season.
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Post by hcpride on Mar 25, 2024 9:31:58 GMT -5
The idea of legions of young girl fans (and their families) jamming the turnstiles to watch women’s hoops has been the WNBA’s dream since it began. Somehow, despite some very popular college players, it hadn’t consistently materialized. Some poor choices and poor messaging by the WNBA accounts for a part of that. They need an appealing star and, with any luck, the leading pros in the WNBA can appreciate that they themselves will benefit from CC’s success - but I’m not so sure. Yeah, the veterans may give her a "BPC welcome."🤣 Beyond a hard forearm to the face, they might (if they are unaware how much $he could benefit them) spout off with criticism, etc. But I don’t see her new franchise giving her the ‘Pete Maravich welcome’. For those interested, Iowa plays West Virginia tonight at 8 on ESPN.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 25, 2024 9:40:25 GMT -5
Caitlin Clark's counterpart in music for the past year or so is Taylor Swift. I admire the way Swift built her business and has kept her fans and how much joy they get from following her. I'll give Clark a couple of years to see if young girls are lining up at the turnstyles when her WNBA team comes to their region. Maybe it's not a fair comparison. The WNBA plays 40 games a year and Swift only tours once every few years. The idea of legions of young girl fans (and their families) jamming the turnstiles to watch women’s hoops has been the WNBA’s dream since it began. Somehow, despite some very popular college players, it hadn’t consistently materialized. Some poor choices and poor messaging by the WNBA accounts for a part of that. They need an appealing star and, with any luck, the leading pros in the WNBA can appreciate that they themselves will benefit from CC’s success - but I’m not so sure. We'll know CC has made a difference if the WNBA can turn a profit next season for the first time in its history. They NBA subsidizes this league.
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Post by bfoley82 on Mar 25, 2024 9:41:21 GMT -5
The idea of legions of young girl fans (and their families) jamming the turnstiles to watch women’s hoops has been the WNBA’s dream since it began. Somehow, despite some very popular college players, it hadn’t consistently materialized. Some poor choices and poor messaging by the WNBA accounts for a part of that. They need an appealing star and, with any luck, the leading pros in the WNBA can appreciate that they themselves will benefit from CC’s success - but I’m not so sure. We'll know CC has made a difference if the WNBA can turn a profit next season for the first time in its history. They NBA subsidizes this league. This right here👆
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 25, 2024 11:46:04 GMT -5
The idea of legions of young girl fans (and their families) jamming the turnstiles to watch women’s hoops has been the WNBA’s dream since it began. Somehow, despite some very popular college players, it hadn’t consistently materialized. Some poor choices and poor messaging by the WNBA accounts for a part of that. They need an appealing star and, with any luck, the leading pros in the WNBA can appreciate that they themselves will benefit from CC’s success - but I’m not so sure. We'll know CC has made a difference if the WNBA can turn a profit next season for the first time in its history. They NBA subsidizes this league. Clark is hands down the biggest name the WNBA has ever had. She will fill arenas for sure her rookie year but will be interesting to see if/how soon that interest fades. It's possible that the WNBA just will never reach the level of interest that NCAA Division I basketball generates.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 25, 2024 11:52:33 GMT -5
Well, for better or worse, we will have a good idea of her effect on the WNBA this summer.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 25, 2024 12:01:17 GMT -5
I thought the Mohegan Arena, combining the UConn WBB frenzy and the cross marketing dollars of the Casino was a better choice than Boston as I felt turnout would be embarrassingly low at the Garden or the league would be relegated to a college gym in Boston. It will be interesting to compare the turnout at the Garden with Mohegan attendance figures.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 25, 2024 14:17:22 GMT -5
OK, enough of this, I concede that both HC games had huge audiences and that's all that counts. I certainly watched that game in 1977. I ran into Mike Vicens at Mac's Diner a few years back and told him that John Wooden said during that game that he did not realize how good "Vincennes" was. Regarding Clark and women's basketball, take a look at this recent study (March 20) from Seton Hall entitled: "Poll: Caitlin Clark Tops Basketball Popularity; Women's Tournament Likely to Break Viewer Records". I would attach it but I'm not "tech savvy". If I ever run into you at a game, I'll buy you dinner anyway. Best. The largest HC TV audience may have been football, when HC-Dartmouth was national game of the week. A network broadcast, ABC? That was the game moved from Fitton Field because there was insufficient electrical power for the broadcast trucks. That was before cable, before conferences were able to negotiate their own TV packages, before the audience was splintered with multiple games being broadcast simultaneously.
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Post by classof83 on Mar 25, 2024 15:29:22 GMT -5
We'll know CC has made a difference if the WNBA can turn a profit next season for the first time in its history. They NBA subsidizes this league. Clark is hands down the biggest name the WNBA has ever had. She will fill arenas for sure her rookie year but will be interesting to see if/how soon that interest fades. It's possible that the WNBA just will never reach the level of interest that NCAA Division I basketball generates. We will see but I am not sure Clark will be the biggest name the WNBA has ever had - I think I would go with Diana Taurasi.or Sue Bird. I would be curious how Geno Auriemma would have dealt with Clark's antics on Saturday. As I recall, Taurasi was somewhat of a diva as well. Iowa's coach, Bluder, was asked about Clark's behavior (in the HC game) in the pre-game presser for tonight's game against West Virginia. She didn't go into detail but commented she had a long talk with Clark yesterday. I wouldn't normally watch this game but I am curious how she plays in the game tonight against WVU - especially after WVU's coach had made some early comments that they were going to send Clark "packing". He has since walked back from those comments Did anyone watch the Stanford/Iowa State women's game last night? - if you thought the HC/Iowa game was physical - that game was much more physical.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 25, 2024 16:08:11 GMT -5
Clark is hands down the biggest name the WNBA has ever had. She will fill arenas for sure her rookie year but will be interesting to see if/how soon that interest fades. It's possible that the WNBA just will never reach the level of interest that NCAA Division I basketball generates. We will see but I am not sure Clark will be the biggest name the WNBA has ever had - I think I would go with Diana Taurasi.or Sue Bird. I would be curious how Geno Auriemma would have dealt with Clark's antics on Saturday. As I recall, Taurasi was somewhat of a diva as well. Iowa's coach, Bluder, was asked about Clark's behavior (in the HC game) in the pre-game presser for tonight's game against West Virginia. She didn't go into detail but commented she had a long talk with Clark yesterday. I wouldn't normally watch this game but I am curious how she plays in the game tonight against WVU - especially after WVU's coach had made some early comments that they were going to send Clark "packing". He has since walked back from those comments Did anyone watch the Stanford/Iowa State women's game last night? - if you thought the HC/Iowa game was physical - that game was much more physical. It would not have been an issue. Rarely saw any of Gino's players get away with that stuff outside of the 1st or 2nd year, although I must admit if Taurasi thought it was intentional she might of come up swinging. The Iowa State game was brutal - alot of pushing & hard fouls.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 25, 2024 16:36:13 GMT -5
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