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Post by hchoops on May 8, 2024 19:26:43 GMT -5
The point I was trying to make was not home vs road HRs, or what Alou, Cepeda, or Jim Ray Hart did at The Stick from the right handed batting box.......the point I was trying to make was what would his HR number have been if he played in a different home park, for example, Shibe Park or Atlanta Fulton County I think the essence of this is as follows-and some no doubt will disagree, but I base my conclusion on facts only: Willie Mays was not hurt in any way because he played in Candlestick Park, at least an average park for right-handed hitters. It;'s an entirely different argument , perhaps the one you are making, that if Willie played in a tremendous hitters park he, like every other player in the league, would have put up even more impressive numbers. For example. Willie hit 28 home runs in just 220 at bats at Ebbets Field. If he had been a Dodger, and if the Dodgers had not been moved to LA by the criminal Wrigley, Wrigley may deserve this description, but I believe you are referring to Walter O’Malley, Public Enemy #1. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 8, 2024 19:37:35 GMT -5
I think the essence of this is as follows-and some no doubt will disagree, but I base my conclusion on facts only: Willie Mays was not hurt in any way because he played in Candlestick Park, at least an average park for right-handed hitters. It;'s an entirely different argument , perhaps the one you are making, that if Willie played in a tremendous hitters park he, like every other player in the league, would have put up even more impressive numbers. For example. Willie hit 28 home runs in just 220 at bats at Ebbets Field. If he had been a Dodger, and if the Dodgers had not been moved to LA by the criminal Wrigley, Wrigley may deserve this description, but I believe you are referring to Walter O’Malley, Public Enemy #1. Right you are--I vilified the wrong man and I agree 100% on O'Malley. Maybe my computer would not let me indict an Irishman.... |
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Post by hchoops on May 8, 2024 19:50:07 GMT -5
When Brooklynites in the late 50s were asked for the 3 most hated men in the world, the reply was Hitler, Stalin and O’Malley, and not necessarily in that order.
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Post by fz on May 8, 2024 21:17:04 GMT -5
I was lucky to see Willie a few times. The last time was game 3 73 World Series at Shea. Catfish vs. Seaver.
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Post by timholycross on May 9, 2024 6:36:03 GMT -5
Good read, in some ways exonerates O'Malley, but by no means completely. www.goodreads.com/book/show/1491684.The_Dodgers_Move_WestOne preferred location for the Ebbets replacement would have been more or less where the Barclay Center stands, go figure. W/regard to the Braves Field question, the team played their last season in Boston 72 years ago. Do the math; any esteemed poster who saw a baseball game there would most likely be 80 or older. As far as seeing the stadium before demolition*, the Patriots played there in 1960,61 and 62; and Holy Cross played BU there in 1961. Odds are much greater that we have an eyewitness to one of those games. * there are approximately one quarter of the original stands still in use; the right field pavilion. |
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 9, 2024 6:55:05 GMT -5
You guys would love Immaculate Grid if you're not playing already.
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Post by alum on May 9, 2024 7:30:10 GMT -5
You guys would love Immaculate Grid if you're not playing already. Got 8 today (which is good for me) and drawing a complete blank on the last one. I struggle with matching players who have played on two teams, especially when they are both National Leauge clubs although today it is someone who played for the Phillies and the Tigers. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 9, 2024 7:58:02 GMT -5
You guys would love Immaculate Grid if you're not playing already. Got 8 today (which is good for me) and drawing a complete blank on the last one. I struggle with matching players who have played on two teams, especially when they are both National Leauge clubs although today it is someone who played for the Phillies and the Tigers. Placido Polanco jumped right out to me. Really need to get a hobby. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 9, 2024 8:06:31 GMT -5
Don’t know the specific question but tigers and Phillies immediately brings Jim bunning to mind
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 9, 2024 8:12:08 GMT -5
Good read, in some ways exonerates O'Malley, but by no means completely. www.goodreads.com/book/show/1491684.The_Dodgers_Move_WestOne preferred location for the Ebbets replacement would have been more or less where the Barclay Center stands, go figure. W/regard to the Braves Field question, the team played their last season in Boston 72 years ago. Do the math; any esteemed poster who saw a baseball game there would most likely be 80 or older.As far as seeing the stadium before demolition*, the Patriots played there in 1960,61 and 62; and Holy Cross played BU there in 1961. Odds are much greater that we have an eyewitness to one of those games. * there are approximately one quarter of the original stands still in use; the right field pavilion. My old Pony League manager, George Altison (RIP) founded the Boston Braves Historical Association: www.metrowestdailynews.com/story/sports/columns/2009/06/28/megliola-altison-leaves-brave-legacy/41325573007/ |
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Post by timholycross on May 9, 2024 8:13:02 GMT -5
Don’t know the specific question but tigers and Phillies immediately brings Jim bunning to mind ...and I guessed Don Demeter and he was a hit as well. The Tigers were a team of my pre-teens and up through college which seemed to never change. |
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Post by alum on May 9, 2024 8:14:14 GMT -5
Don’t know the specific question but tigers and Phillies immediately brings Jim bunning to mind I gave up and looked at the potential answers. Bunning is the most prominent player to have played for the two teams. |
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Post by timholycross on May 9, 2024 8:17:43 GMT -5
Good read, in some ways exonerates O'Malley, but by no means completely. www.goodreads.com/book/show/1491684.The_Dodgers_Move_WestOne preferred location for the Ebbets replacement would have been more or less where the Barclay Center stands, go figure. W/regard to the Braves Field question, the team played their last season in Boston 72 years ago. Do the math; any esteemed poster who saw a baseball game there would most likely be 80 or older.As far as seeing the stadium before demolition*, the Patriots played there in 1960,61 and 62; and Holy Cross played BU there in 1961. Odds are much greater that we have an eyewitness to one of those games. * there are approximately one quarter of the original stands still in use; the right field pavilion. My old Pony League manager, George Altison (RIP) founded the Boston Braves Historical Association: www.metrowestdailynews.com/story/sports/columns/2009/06/28/megliola-altison-leaves-brave-legacy/41325573007/Wellesley High School had a couple sets of Braves uniforms; the lettering was carefully removed/replaced. The Perinis were very generous to Wellesley (which wasn't nearly the community of affluence it is now) and Framingham over the years. |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 9, 2024 9:45:23 GMT -5
Don’t know the specific question but tigers and Phillies immediately brings Jim bunning to mind ...and I guessed Don Demeter and he was a hit as well. The Tigers were a team of my pre-teens and up through college which seemed to never change. I believe he once went without an error in 200+ consecutive outfield games--maybe a record. He also had some power at bat |
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Post by hchoops on May 9, 2024 17:10:39 GMT -5
Returning to the Babe, I just saw a reference to when he was a 21 year old pitcher for the Red Sox in the 1916 World Series, he pitched in Game 2. Ernie Shore threw in the first game. The Babe threw only in one game since the Sox won in 5 games with Shore wii g game 5, as many Sox fans may have known, at least those old enough to remember that Series’ significance.
Stats:
14 IP
6 hits
1 R
1ER
3 BB
4 Ks
A CG 2-1 win
No record of total pitches thrown
We can be sure we will never see that done again.
On the Brooklyn Robins was one named Casey Stengel
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Post by alum on May 9, 2024 17:38:18 GMT -5
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 9, 2024 19:45:21 GMT -5
You guys would love Immaculate Grid if you're not playing already. I've literally played all 403 grids. And I'm up early so I really look forward to that and my morning coffee around 630. I got introduced to it last August by softball teammates and ended up catching up on all the grids I missed from April-August 2023 while on family leave this March. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 9, 2024 19:46:33 GMT -5
You guys would love Immaculate Grid if you're not playing already. Got 8 today (which is good for me) and drawing a complete blank on the last one. I struggle with matching players who have played on two teams, especially when they are both National Leauge clubs although today it is someone who played for the Phillies and the Tigers. I whiffed on 2 today...and on the same player. How in the world did Kirk Gibson not make an All Star team for either Detroit or LA? Didn't he win a league MVP? |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 9, 2024 19:54:49 GMT -5
Got 8 today (which is good for me) and drawing a complete blank on the last one. I struggle with matching players who have played on two teams, especially when they are both National Leauge clubs although today it is someone who played for the Phillies and the Tigers. Placido Polanco jumped right out to me. Really need to get a hobby. Mark Leiter Sr. for me. Super obscure but I had a baseball card of his as a Tiger and saw him pitch at Yankee Stadium as a Philly in July of '98. He gave up a game tying 3-R HR to Tino Martinez with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th, in a game the Yanks would win in 10. Hence why he jumped out in my memory! |
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Post by longsuffering on May 9, 2024 19:58:20 GMT -5
Wellesley High School had a couple sets of Braves uniforms; the lettering was carefully removed/replaced. The Perinis were very generous to Wellesley (which wasn't nearly the community of affluence it is now) and Framingham over the years. Perini Construction built some buildings at Holy Cross, didn't they? |
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Post by CHC8485 on May 10, 2024 6:13:00 GMT -5
Yes they did.
David Perini, CEO of Perini Corp from the early 70s to late 90s, is a Holy Cross grad Class of 1959.
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Post by hc1998 on May 10, 2024 8:02:10 GMT -5
Got 8 today (which is good for me) and drawing a complete blank on the last one. I struggle with matching players who have played on two teams, especially when they are both National Leauge clubs although today it is someone who played for the Phillies and the Tigers. I whiffed on 2 today...and on the same player. How in the world did Kirk Gibson not make an All Star team for either Detroit or LA? Didn't he win a league MVP? I believe Gibson is widely heralded as one of the best players to never make an all star team...he also won the MVP, in part, because McReynolds and Strawberry split some east coast votes coming in 3rd and 2nd respectively and picking up 11 first place votes between the two of them |
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Post by WCHC Sports on May 10, 2024 8:23:41 GMT -5
Immaculate Grid is fun and can be very humbling. To nycrusader2010, you'd be surprised at the random stats this proves you think you know, but you don't. Nolan Ryan never won a Cy Young award. Tons of fantastic players never got 200 hits in a season, even in their MVP, like Goldschmidt and Votto. And WAR can really mess with ya when you're aiming for the 6+ seasons.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 10, 2024 8:36:24 GMT -5
Immaculate Grid is fun and can be very humbling. To nycrusader2010, you'd be surprised at the random stats this proves you think you know, but you don't. Nolan Ryan never won a Cy Young award. Tons of fantastic players never got 200 hits in a season, even in their MVP, like Goldschmidt and Votto. And WAR can really mess with ya when you're aiming for the 6+ seasons. Another stat - 2,000 hits. You generally assume that any player who was around for 15 years and was a pretty good hitter made this plateau. A lot of surprising names that didn't. 3,000 is the holy grail but I have newfound respect for the 2,000 benchmark as well. WRT 200 hits in a season, you're absolutely right. Also, guys who walk a lot, even if they hit well over .300 in certain seasons, won't get to 200. |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 10, 2024 8:38:11 GMT -5
Immaculate Grid is fun and can be very humbling. To nycrusader2010, you'd be surprised at the random stats this proves you think you know, but you don't. Nolan Ryan never won a Cy Young award. Tons of fantastic players never got 200 hits in a season, even in their MVP, like Goldschmidt and Votto. And WAR can really mess with ya when you're aiming for the 6+ seasons. I haven't played in a while, but when I was playing regularly and got really stumped, you realize just how many teams guys like Edwin Jackson, Oliver Perez, Octavio Dotel, Rich Hill, Matt Stairs, Bartolo Colon, Fernando Rodney, etc. played for. Always a decent chance you'd get lucky when using them. |
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