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Post by deep Purple on Dec 20, 2017 15:07:42 GMT -5
10 Signees Cedeno - DL - no other offers reported Smith - DB - Fordham, Army, IL Honohan - LB - FAU, Davidson Wood - LB - Stetson, Jacksonville Smith - OL - Colgate, Bucknell Kennedy - WR - Valporaiso Reynolds - DB - no other offers reported Gilliam - WR - no other offers reported Doherty - DB - no other offers reported Copley - DL - Youngstown, State, Ivies, App. State, Buffalo - pretty impressive list of offers So right now 26 Seniors are graduating. Doesn't mean all 26 spots are going to be taken, but my guess is what you will find is more "Walk Ons" in the group. So my guess is you will probably find a few more without offers depending on the size of the class you are trying to fill. 3 on offense so far an 7 on defense. My guess is you'll see at least 3-4 more OL, 1-2 QB, 2 RB's, 1 TE, another WR, hopefully a few more DL/DE's and a linebacker or two. 3 offers reported so far under Chesney. Hope we get into a few more battles with more players with multiple scholarship offers. Confesor is a nice get on the coaching front. Per page 6 of the thread, it looks like John Smith had other D1 offers from Army, Fordham, Bethune-Cookman and Northern Illinois
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Post by breezy on Dec 20, 2017 15:40:29 GMT -5
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Post by breezy on Dec 20, 2017 15:41:45 GMT -5
LETTER OF INTENT #11:
JON ABRAMS, Ohio
WELCOME, JON!!!
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 20, 2017 15:56:40 GMT -5
10 Signees Cedeno - DL - no other offers reported Smith - DB - Fordham, Army, IL Honohan - LB - FAU, Davidson Wood - LB - Stetson, Jacksonville Smith - OL - Colgate, Bucknell Kennedy - WR - Valporaiso Reynolds - DB - no other offers reported Gilliam - WR - no other offers reported Doherty - DB - no other offers reported Copley - DL - Youngstown, State, Ivies, App. State, Buffalo - pretty impressive list of offers So right now 26 Seniors are graduating. Doesn't mean all 26 spots are going to be taken, but my guess is what you will find is more "Walk Ons" in the group. So my guess is you will probably find a few more without offers depending on the size of the class you are trying to fill. 3 on offense so far an 7 on defense. My guess is you'll see at least 3-4 more OL, 1-2 QB, 2 RB's, 1 TE, another WR, hopefully a few more DL/DE's and a linebacker or two. 3 offers reported so far under Chesney. Hope we get into a few more battles with more players with multiple scholarship offers. Confesor is a nice get on the coaching front. Per page 6 of the thread, it looks like John Smith had other D1 offers from Army, Fordham, Bethune-Cookman and Northern Illinois I know we're only leveraging twitter for player offer information, but am somewhat concerned that 4/10 recruits have not received other offers. Could just be that we don't know about them or that we're doing a great job recruiting niche players others haven't noticed. Just stood out as somewhat strange to me.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 20, 2017 16:06:54 GMT -5
Per page 6 of the thread, it looks like John Smith had other D1 offers from Army, Fordham, Bethune-Cookman and Northern Illinois I know we're only leveraging twitter for player offer information, but am somewhat concerned that 4/10 recruits have not received other offers. Could just be that we don't know about them or that we're doing a great job recruiting niche players others haven't noticed. Just stood out as somewhat strange to me. 2 of the remainder had offers from Pioneer League only. Agree this is just going off twitter and we might be stealing kids that full-schollie programs are overlooking.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 20, 2017 16:19:23 GMT -5
Per page 6 of the thread, it looks like John Smith had other D1 offers from Army, Fordham, Bethune-Cookman and Northern Illinois I know we're only leveraging twitter for player offer information, but am somewhat concerned that 4/10 recruits have not received other offers. Could just be that we don't know about them or that we're doing a great job recruiting niche players others haven't noticed. Just stood out as somewhat strange to me. Or could it be they committed to HC early and headed off other offers? Who knows. What I think is so impressive is that the new staff was able to get these kids in the boat and now it freeze them up to go and recruit a new group to fill out the class. As we have said before it's stupid to judge a recruiting class until all of the paperwork is in, but it certainly appears as if all of the hand-wringing and negativity and sky is falling banter about this class was completely unfounded.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 20, 2017 16:24:46 GMT -5
I know we're only leveraging twitter for player offer information, but am somewhat concerned that 4/10 recruits have not received other offers. Could just be that we don't know about them or that we're doing a great job recruiting niche players others haven't noticed. Just stood out as somewhat strange to me. Or could it be they committed to HC early and headed off other offers? Who knows. What I think is so impressive is that the new staff was able to get these kids in the boat and now it freeze them up to go and recruit a new group to fill out the class. As we have said before it's stupid to judge a recruiting class until all of the paperwork is in, but it certainly appears as if all of the hand-wringing and negativity and sky is falling banter about this class was completely unfounded. Um, we lost what was likely the top two commits in the class (if not the top, then right near it), and lost a chance to get any new guys signed before the pool opened back up for the next signing period. It's great that the staff was able to keep the majority of the commitments, but the "everything is awesome" view is a bit disingenuous. The idea that it was not an issue in any way that we didn't have a coach in place for the only official visit weekend when the position was vacated 8 weeks before is just silly.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 20, 2017 16:39:15 GMT -5
Or could it be they committed to HC early and headed off other offers? Who knows. What I think is so impressive is that the new staff was able to get these kids in the boat and now it freeze them up to go and recruit a new group to fill out the class. As we have said before it's stupid to judge a recruiting class until all of the paperwork is in, but it certainly appears as if all of the hand-wringing and negativity and sky is falling banter about this class was completely unfounded. Um, we lost what was likely the top two commits in the class (if not the top, then right near it), and lost a chance to get any new guys signed before the pool opened back up for the next signing period. It's great that the staff was able to keep the majority of the commitments, but the "everything is awesome" view is a bit disingenuous. The idea that it was not an issue in any way that we didn't have a coach in place for the only official visit weekend when the position was vacated 8 weeks before is just silly. Obviously losing those two top verbal commits and eyeballing the 'other offers' of the remainder gives us an azimuth for the second signing period. I'll take a look at the success, etc. of the rest of the league (assuming the 'other offers' category is similarly accurate/inaccurate for the other schools). Hoping first early day at HC measures up with Colgate, Lehigh, and Fordham. The volume of players opting to sign in the early period is certainly no surprise.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 20, 2017 16:40:53 GMT -5
Or could it be they committed to HC early and headed off other offers? Who knows. What I think is so impressive is that the new staff was able to get these kids in the boat and now it freeze them up to go and recruit a new group to fill out the class. As we have said before it's stupid to judge a recruiting class until all of the paperwork is in, but it certainly appears as if all of the hand-wringing and negativity and sky is falling banter about this class was completely unfounded. "The "everything is awesome" view is a bit disingenuous." Possibly. But, IMHO, it is certainly as valid as the "all is doom and gloom" view.
The idea that it was not an issue in any way that we didn't have a coach in place for the only official visit weekend when the position was vacated 8 weeks before is just silly. Have you followed any of the information released about the search committee (the one we supposedly did not have according to some) and the process that Coach Chesney, AD Pine and others have spoken about that got us the coach HC wanted and needed? If you did, you know why the time frame was what it was. If you can't see that (and if you keep focusing only on things that prove your personal biases), well that is just.....wait for it.....silly.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 20, 2017 16:56:01 GMT -5
The idea that it was not an issue in any way that we didn't have a coach in place for the only official visit weekend when the position was vacated 8 weeks before is just silly. Have you followed any of the information released about the search committee (the one we supposedly did not have according to some) and the process that Coach Chesney, AD Pine and others have spoken about that got us the coach HC wanted and needed? If you did, you know why the time frame was what it was. If you can't see that (and if you keep focusing only on things that prove your personal biases), well that is just.....wait for it.....silly. Not going to continue the discussion here, because the Message Board Sheriffs will be out in full force whining about staying on topic and merging threads and what not, but yes, the "search committee" was exactly what I predicted - a sham. Alums were brought in as "advisors," but Pine ran the search and had control over who the candidates were. Bob Chesney has been in Worcester for 5 years, and has even talked about how he often attended HC practices and games. The effort to get to know him and gauge if he was a fit for the HC job could have happened any time during the last 3-4 years. It's insanity to think that the first time we could have any sense of whether or not Chesney could be a candidate was the week after his team was eliminated this year. Chesney appears to be extremely impressive and well ahead of the other three finalists for the job. He could have been hired the Monday after his team was eliminated and had over two weeks on the job prior to signing day. There's the timeline. But if people want to keep their head buried in the sand and just think "everything is awesome" that is certainly well within their right. Carry on. Go Cross Go, and thank God we ended up with Chesney.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 20, 2017 17:02:25 GMT -5
There were other candidates (you did mention them, after all). If you choose to keep ignoring that fact, then so be it. Keep your head buried in your special sand to avoid changing any of your pre-existing beliefs.
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Post by ncaam on Dec 20, 2017 17:04:03 GMT -5
Chesney. Wow! He’s exactly what we need. He should be the standard we use in judging all future coaching hires, though It’s unlikely they will measure up to his standards. Go Cross go!
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Post by 6sader7 on Dec 20, 2017 17:12:46 GMT -5
My only point was that I hope we're not taking kids we otherwise wouldn't just to fill spots during this period.
Early signing works both ways, some kids that otherwise wouldn't be offered later in the game are able to get themselves a spot because they're willing to commit up-front.
I'm purely speculating, but something that I noticed in looking at some of these recruits HUDL videos and subsequent lack of other offers.
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Post by richh on Dec 20, 2017 17:40:02 GMT -5
From what I can see most PL verbals signed. Dont forget the ESD goes until Friday. So 2 more days then we go til February. Other offers are the best measuring stick available to adequately assess the talent in your class. It gives you a birdseye view of what various staffs thought of that prospect. The absence of any or at least some higher level offers is concerning. There have been kids who developed into very good players who fit this description but not many. Stars are nice but not a real reliable indicator of success. I should note that a lot of Ivy offers come in late. Our QB commit got multiple Ivy offers post season. Likewise, our RB commit got a very strong push from Princeton.( Our 2nd W over them this year). To hold so many of your verbals is remarkable. Kudos to your current staff. Also, shows that most PL recruits choose the school not the coach.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 20, 2017 17:54:45 GMT -5
Other offers are the best measuring stick available to adequately assess the talent in your class. It gives you a birdseye view of what various staffs thought of that prospect. The absence of any or at least some higher level offers is concerning. There have been kids who developed into very good players who fit this description but not many. Generally yes. However if a player commits in May or June, there is a real chance he could have had a number of good offers had he waited until the Fall. And there are, as you say, exceptions. Abdullah Anderson, who was the PL DPOY, had never played football before his senior year in HS. Got an offer from Bucknell mid-year and immediately committed. Worked out pretty well. In total, more than half of Bucknell's All-PL players the past two years had only one offer.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 20, 2017 18:59:12 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 20, 2017 19:04:19 GMT -5
Chesney. Wow! He’s exactly what we need. He should be the standard we use in judging all future coaching hires, though It’s unlikely they will measure up to his standards. Go Cross go! You need to affix the sarcasm emoji when you make such posts. Newcomers to the board may not understand your agenda
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Post by richh on Dec 20, 2017 19:26:48 GMT -5
Not really. He still lists himself as a commit. Just surprised.Casey and Kelsey are eligible for 5th yrs so WR not a need spot for us. D on the other hand is an oozing sore
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Post by richh on Dec 20, 2017 19:28:38 GMT -5
Fordham commits are listed on their FB twitter acct. Like Cross they kept their verbals.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 20, 2017 19:50:08 GMT -5
Talking to Ohio HS Coaches from Akron and northeast Ohio Copley has tremendous upside if his first step improves Kennedy if you throw it he will catch it and given the winning tradition of his team thought he was underrecruited Abrahams is good in open space and predict him as more of a WR
Tried to get former staff to recruit NE Ohio defensive player of the year Scott Walter -DB-St Vincent St Mary— And Eric Taggart-dad played at OSU
Kennedy and St Ignatius, Walter and Taggart —- teams made it to state final four each year so they know what it takes to win
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Post by cmo on Dec 20, 2017 20:23:06 GMT -5
Of the 26 kids they are losing the breakdown is: 4 WR 4 OL 2 RB 4 DL 2 LB 2 P/PK 5 DB 2 QB 1 TE So in terms of restocking depth, RB, OL and QB are priorities with the remaining spots as you've signed 2 DL and 3 DBs already How many QB's have we offered ?
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Post by efg72 on Dec 20, 2017 20:31:23 GMT -5
Not sure I would sign more than 1 QB this year unless he is a clear answer to the system Chesney wants to run-is it like he ran with Assumption? What HC has played over the years? Or does he design something different for the PL? Whatever it might be, the QBs he signs for that role will be key to the offensive success during the next few recruiting cycles
On defense get speed, speed, and athletes
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Post by breezy on Dec 20, 2017 20:33:56 GMT -5
Here is where things stand with respect to 2018 recruiting (subject, of course, to available public sources).
As of December 20, 2017 -- 119 known offers, 11 committed to HC, 89 committed to other schools, 19 offerees still uncommitted.
A look at the schools chosen by the 89 recruits who turned down HC demonstrates, in my opinion, that HC is aiming high and is not just going after the "low-hanging fruit."
Harvard -- 5 Yale -- 4 Navy -- 4 William & Mary -- 4 Delaware -- 4 Princeton -- 4 North Dakota State -- 3
Two each to -- Buffalo, Purdue, Richmond, Bowling Green, Wake Forest, Toledo, Charlotte, Temple, Army, Villanova, Air Force, Lehigh, Fordham.
One each to -- Tulsa, Arkansas State, Penn State, UCLA, Furman, Boston College, UConn, Cincinnati, Arizona, Wisconsin, Houston, Ball State, UAB, Virginia, Michigan State, USF, Wofford, Central Arkansas, Penn, Missouri State, UMass, Columbia, Lafayette, Rice, Troy, Nevada, Cornell, Bucknell, Washington State, Ohio State, Colorado, Liberty, Sacred Heart, Georgetown, Liberty.
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Post by rickii on Dec 20, 2017 20:44:50 GMT -5
efg -
Or does he design something different for the PL?
Respectfully, haven't a clue what you mean here.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 20, 2017 20:47:01 GMT -5
The recruiting comparisons are great and I truly appreciate the comparisons, but they only are relevant if our competition (on the field and academically)play the same offensive and defensive systems and emphasize certain skill sets.
It would be interesting to know how the new staff wants to build the team for PL and OOC competition. Once established those individual position comparisons begin to be much more important. Since I have know idea about how Assumption wanted and tried to play and if Chesney wants the same style and schemes to be used with us, it is hard to know what they want and need for players. It certainly appears from what has been said by others this is an interesting and talented group of recruits.
This is only an opinion of one person and might find major disagreement across the board.
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