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Post by breezy on Dec 20, 2017 20:48:18 GMT -5
According to my list, we offered 8 QBs; 7 have committed to other schools -- Tulsa, Penn State, Boston College, Yale, Michigan State, Delaware, Harvard.
The one QB who is still uncommitted -- see recruit #45 (on page 4 of this thread).
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 20, 2017 20:49:20 GMT -5
Signees by school: Colgate: 16 Lafayette: 14 Bucknell: 12 Lehigh: 12 HC: 11 Fordham: 10 Georgetown: 0
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Post by efg72 on Dec 20, 2017 20:52:34 GMT -5
Rickii my point is the style Chesney and staff want to play, whatever it might be, will determine the players that need to be recruited. So if we decid to go to a wishbone on offense the players we recruit might not be recruited by many other schools yet be perfect players for our system. So comparisons might not be relevant or they might be very important depending on how they coach and what they need to win
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 20, 2017 21:00:24 GMT -5
Didn't coach Chesney say he would play tne system that fit the skills of his players?
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Post by breezy on Dec 20, 2017 21:04:34 GMT -5
He did say that.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 20, 2017 21:13:28 GMT -5
Now that he’s in charge of recruiting, he can start tailoring his recruiting to the style he’d like to play if he has the horses to play it. During a transition period, it makes sense to find ways to use the skill sets you inherit.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 20, 2017 21:20:53 GMT -5
and What style might that be? Run and shoot from the Carter/Duffner days Power Run and a cloud of dust like Woody ran Gilmore’s O and D Wishbone Mix
What are the skill sets of the underclassmen we can capitalize on next year? are the recruits a decent, good, great backfill for depth and possible starters?after a year does he want to transition to teach a system based on his strengths and those of his staff?
I probably don’t know anything but these are the questions I think of when comparing and evaluating talent to other programs
So that is why I suggested in an earlier post recruit speed and athletes on D and probably O right now so you have flexibility as you build a new program
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Post by efg72 on Dec 20, 2017 21:21:40 GMT -5
HC 92 is spot on
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 21, 2017 10:28:55 GMT -5
www.voy.com/152805/This Ivy board is very active and now is showing a lot of the growing 2018 football recruiting classes. In looking at the 'other offers' that some of their commits had, I am convinced more than ever that the PL has a very steep climb to catch up with ivy football. There are many 3 and 2 star recruits on those lists. We absolutely have to be able to go 'toe to toe' with Ivies in order raise our football profile. Chesney has a big job ahead of him
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Post by matunuck on Dec 21, 2017 10:39:53 GMT -5
www.voy.com/152805/This Ivy board is very active and now is showing a lot of the growing 2018 football recruiting classes. In looking at the 'other offers' that some of their commits had, I am convinced more than ever that the PL has a very steep climb to catch up with ivy football. There are many 3 and 2 star recruits on those lists. We absolutely have to be able to go 'toe to toe' with Ivies in order raise our football profile. Chesney has a big job ahead of him We will need to increase the academic profile of the college in that case -- which has slipped despite all the happy talk on this board.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 21, 2017 11:06:48 GMT -5
www.voy.com/152805/This Ivy board is very active and now is showing a lot of the growing 2018 football recruiting classes. In looking at the 'other offers' that some of their commits had, I am convinced more than ever that the PL has a very steep climb to catch up with ivy football. There are many 3 and 2 star recruits on those lists. We absolutely have to be able to go 'toe to toe' with Ivies in order raise our football profile. Chesney has a big job ahead of him Looking at the data one can already view on this thread, one can see how we stack up. It is pretty clear. See breezy most recent data on committed recruits.
HYP going 12/13 against us, CAA (Villanova, Richmond, William and Mary) going 10/10 against us, etc. tells us we are not making up ground yet. Common perception of football and academic superiority v HC makes it very tough sledding. That does not mean we don't have a group of solid recruits. That does not mean we will have an awful year v Patriot football competition.
Notwithstanding diversions and obfuscations to the contrary, there is something to be learned from examining 'other offers' of committed recruits and eyeballing stars. They are useful comparators with other programs. (Obviously there are vagaries and inaccuracies in all measurements).
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 21, 2017 11:07:21 GMT -5
I actually think that our future is convincing kids that would otherwise go to lower level BCS schools (MAC, CUSA eyc.) to come to HC. Sprinkling a few wins over Ivy League schools in recruiting and we will upgrade the talent level across the board.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 21, 2017 11:10:56 GMT -5
I actually think that our future is convincing kids that would otherwise go to lower level BCS schools (MAC, CUSA eyc.) to come to HC. Sprinkling a few wins over Ivy League schools in recruiting and we will upgrade the talent level across the board. agree much more realistic than regularly beating the ivies, esp the ones that give full scholar, O no, Ivies do not give those
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Post by hcpride on Dec 21, 2017 11:19:00 GMT -5
I actually think that our future is convincing kids that would otherwise go to lower level BCS schools (MAC, CUSA eyc.) to come to HC. Sprinkling a few wins over Ivy League schools in recruiting and we will upgrade the talent level across the board. There are AI (academic) factors involved. But I do agree with the concept.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 21, 2017 11:59:47 GMT -5
www.voy.com/152805/This Ivy board is very active and now is showing a lot of the growing 2018 football recruiting classes. In looking at the 'other offers' that some of their commits had, I am convinced more than ever that the PL has a very steep climb to catch up with ivy football. There are many 3 and 2 star recruits on those lists. We absolutely have to be able to go 'toe to toe' with Ivies in order raise our football profile. Chesney has a big job ahead of him Looking at the data one can already view on this thread, one can see how we stack up. It is pretty clear. See breezy most recent data on committed recruits.
HYP going 12/13 against us, CAA (Villanova, Richmond, William and Mary) going 10/10 against us, etc. tells us we are not making up ground yet. Common perception of football and academic superiority v HC makes it very tough sledding. That does not mean we don't have a group of solid recruits. That does not mean we will have an awful year v Patriot football competition.
Notwithstanding diversions and obfuscations to the contrary, there is something to be learned from examining 'other offers' of committed recruits and eyeballing stars. They are useful comparators with other programs. (Obviously there are vagaries and inaccuracies in all measurements).
Perhaps this data should have been studied prior to building a $95Mil indoor field. The kids who are choosing those schools are doing so for far deeper reasons than facilities. Recruiting against HYP, other Ivy's, Villanova, Richmond, W&M, etc. means recruiting kids who are looking for far more than an indoor field or player's lounge like the kids who are choosing between Alabama and Clemson. IMO, Coach Chesney will do far more for recruiting and (hopefully) (as well as more importantly) talent development than a new facility would do.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 21, 2017 12:05:15 GMT -5
Of course the coach is more important to potential recruits than the facilities; that does not mean that the new facility is a non-factor. The Luth should be very appealing (and effective) to recruits re: a number of factors, including (A) "I'd rather train there on a rainy November day than on a wind swept hill" and (B) "boy, this sure shows that HC is committed to football".
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Post by breezy on Dec 21, 2017 12:06:16 GMT -5
Here is where things stand with respect to 2018 recruiting (subject, of course, to available public sources). As of December 20, 2017 -- 119 known offers, 11 committed to HC, 89 committed to other schools, 19 offerees still uncommitted. A look at the schools chosen by the 89 recruits who turned down HC demonstrates, in my opinion, that HC is aiming high and is not just going after the "low-hanging fruit." Harvard -- 5 Yale -- 4 Navy -- 4 William & Mary -- 4 Delaware -- 4 Princeton -- 4 North Dakota State -- 3 Two each to -- Buffalo, Purdue, Richmond, Bowling Green, Wake Forest, Toledo, Charlotte, Temple, Army, Villanova, Air Force, Lehigh, Fordham. One each to -- Tulsa, Arkansas State, Penn State, UCLA, Furman, Boston College, UConn, Cincinnati, Arizona, Wisconsin, Houston, Ball State, UAB, Virginia, Michigan State, USF, Wofford, Central Arkansas, Penn, Missouri State, UMass, Columbia, Lafayette, Rice, Troy, Nevada, Cornell, Bucknell, Washington State, Ohio State, Colorado, Liberty, Sacred Heart, Georgetown, Liberty. Update: I just saw that OL Patrick Walsh, Wachusett Regional HS, Holden, MA, has switched his commitment from UMass to Harvard. That will change the summary quoted above.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 21, 2017 12:08:59 GMT -5
Of course the coach is more important to potential recruits than the facilities; that does not mean that the new facility is a non-factor. The Luth should be very appealing (and effective) to recruits re: a number of factors, including (A) "I'd rather train there on a rainy November day than on a wind swept hill" and (B) "boy, this sure shows that HC is committed to football". But, unfortunately, (C) is not "I'd rather go hear than Harvard, Yale, Richmond, Villanova, etc"
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Post by bigfan on Dec 21, 2017 12:22:40 GMT -5
If we want to improve our football program we need to get out of the Patriot League and join the CAA. If we stay in the PL we will never be good as times have changed and we can't compete for athletes who are looking at the IL.
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Post by rickii on Dec 21, 2017 13:03:11 GMT -5
and What style might that be? Run and shoot from the Carter/Duffner days Power Run and a cloud of dust like Woody ran Gilmore’s O and D Wishbone Mix What are the skill sets of the underclassmen we can capitalize on next year? are the recruits a decent, good, great backfill for depth and possible starters?after a year does he want to transition to teach a system based on his strengths and those of his staff? I probably don’t know anything but these are the questions I think of when comparing and evaluating talent to other programs So that is why I suggested in an earlier post recruit speed and athletes on D and probably O right now so you have flexibility as you build a new program Like Chesney, you're going to have to wait until winter workouts and then Spring practice.
Shouldn't be too hard to see some YouTube video of some Assumption games for clues to his offensive and defensive tendencies.
BTW, Coach Carter never ran a run and shoot.
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Post by realism on Dec 21, 2017 13:20:55 GMT -5
Here is where things stand with respect to 2018 recruiting (subject, of course, to available public sources). As of December 20, 2017 -- 119 known offers, 11 committed to HC, 89 committed to other schools, 19 offerees still uncommitted. A look at the schools chosen by the 89 recruits who turned down HC demonstrates, in my opinion, that HC is aiming high and is not just going after the "low-hanging fruit." Harvard -- 5 Yale -- 4 Navy -- 4 William & Mary -- 4 Delaware -- 4 Princeton -- 4 North Dakota State -- 3 Two each to -- Buffalo, Purdue, Richmond, Bowling Green, Wake Forest, Toledo, Charlotte, Temple, Army, Villanova, Air Force, Lehigh, Fordham. One each to -- Tulsa, Arkansas State, Penn State, UCLA, Furman, Boston College, UConn, Cincinnati, Arizona, Wisconsin, Houston, Ball State, UAB, Virginia, Michigan State, USF, Wofford, Central Arkansas, Penn, Missouri State, UMass, Columbia, Lafayette, Rice, Troy, Nevada, Cornell, Bucknell, Washington State, Ohio State, Colorado, Liberty, Sacred Heart, Georgetown, Liberty. Thanks Breezy. As standalones, these collections of data provide some valuable perspective on the current H.C. recruiting aspirations and results. With the "LOI signee competing offers" data ( below ) alongside the data on "where HC prospects actually committed" ( above ), I wonder what observations you might share ? Cedeno - DL - no other offers reported Smith - DB - Fordham, Army, IL Honohan - LB - FAU, Davidson Wood - LB - Stetson, Jacksonville Smith - OL - Colgate, Bucknell Kennedy - WR - Valporaiso Reynolds - DB - no other offers reported Gilliam - WR - no other offers reported Doherty - DB - no other offers reported Copley - DL - Youngstown, State, Ivies, App. State, Buffalo - pretty impressive list of offers
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Post by rickii on Dec 21, 2017 13:54:44 GMT -5
efg -
Just looked at a couple tapes. The O was predominately RPO set with some single I-BACK all out of shotgun. As is normal, the D was multiple 3-4, 4-3 with mixed blitz packages. Only 2 game samples so what I saw was obviously geared to the opponents tendencies.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 21, 2017 14:03:32 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 21, 2017 14:13:24 GMT -5
Of course the coach is more important to potential recruits than the facilities; that does not mean that the new facility is a non-factor. The Luth should be very appealing (and effective) to recruits re: a number of factors, including (A) "I'd rather train there on a rainy November day than on a wind swept hill" and (B) "boy, this sure shows that HC is committed to football". But, unfortunately, (C) is not "I'd rather go hear than Harvard, Yale, Richmond, Villanova, etc" Thank goodness. I would hope they would know how to use here/hear correctly if they come to HC.
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Post by gks on Dec 21, 2017 15:01:19 GMT -5
HC can regularly win recruiting battles with Ivies not called Harvard, Yale and Princeton. They just have too much money and too much prestige. When Harvard comes a knocking with a full ride it's tough to say no.
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