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Post by rgs318 on Dec 7, 2017 15:25:13 GMT -5
Is it still a "permanent indoor football field" (minus end zones) when it is being used by the other teams it is intended to help?
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Post by rickii on Dec 7, 2017 15:51:17 GMT -5
Would you prefer I'd have said 'permanent primary indoor football field' ?
Vast majority of these buildings nationwide are multi-purpose.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2017 15:56:22 GMT -5
Multi-purpose--yes. Think of the fantastic whiffle ball tournament you could have at the Luth in the dead of Winter!!!
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 7, 2017 16:08:24 GMT -5
Back to the LAC....
Keep forgetting to ask vis a vis recruiting, facilities, et al....
Who else has a permanent indoor football field building in the Northeast ? I count Syracuse while BC's in under construction. Harvard's seasonal bubble doesn't count. Nobody in the PL, right ? Bryant built one, that suffered a catastrophic collapse during construction. Penn State. Maryland (very, very expensive conversion of Cole field house). Navy. Dartmouth wants one, but Hanover says no. www.thedartmouth.com/article/2017/10/appeal-for-indoor-practice-facility-deniedBC's, from the renderings, looks cheap. Maybe I can find some images.
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Post by alum on Dec 7, 2017 16:26:50 GMT -5
Back to the LAC....
Keep forgetting to ask vis a vis recruiting, facilities, et al....
Who else has a permanent indoor football field building in the Northeast ? I count Syracuse while BC's in under construction. Harvard's seasonal bubble doesn't count. Nobody in the PL, right ? Bryant built one, that suffered a catastrophic collapse during construction. Penn State. Maryland (very, very expensive conversion of Cole field house). Navy. Dartmouth wants one, but Hanover says no. www.thedartmouth.com/article/2017/10/appeal-for-indoor-practice-facility-deniedBC's, from the renderings, looks cheap. Maybe I can find some images. UCONN has had one for years.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 7, 2017 16:48:49 GMT -5
Multi-purpose--yes. Think of the fantastic whiffle ball tournament you could have at the Luth in the dead of Winter!!! Or the indoor practices for Lax, baseball, softball and track and field. There are a few folks who see the Luth as money spent only on football and constantly act as if that were true, saying all the cost was for football. Such statements are not accurate. Thank you for acknowledging this building is multi-purpose. Now perhaps we can stop hearing phony figures attributing the entire cost to football. Whiffle ball? Really? Your ridiculous example shows a lack of insight on your part...or a poorly targeted sense of humor.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 7, 2017 16:52:19 GMT -5
Back to the squash / racquetball courts, I found no indication in the extensive demolition notes that these were demolished.. The demolition notes cover pretty much everything that was to be torn down and taken away. In some cases, materials are salvaged and potentially re-used, e.g., acoustical tiles, bricks, the basketball courts, the wooden bleachers, The squash court flooring presumably would be a salvageable item.
The indoor practice field will be more valuable for M/W lacrosse, baseball and softball, than for other sports, --unless soccer went deep into the playoffs, or football has a great post-season.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 7, 2017 17:56:17 GMT -5
Back to the squash / racquetball courts, I found no indication in the extensive demolition notes that these were demolished.. The demolition notes cover pretty much everything that was to be torn down and taken away. In some cases, materials are salvaged and potentially re-used, e.g., acoustical tiles, bricks, the basketball courts, the wooden bleachers, The squash court flooring presumably would be a salvageable item. The indoor practice field will be more valuable for M/W lacrosse, baseball and softball, than for other sports, --unless soccer went deep into the playoffs, or football has a great post-season. You have therebye identified the limitation of all of the exhaustive inference and extrapolation that you seem to want to make on a daily basis. The four squash and racquetball courts at the back of the building were built in the early 80s. In about 2006, two of them were converted for use as changing rooms for the soccer and lacrosse teams. The other two have been used for racquet sports until this project started . That space is now made up of the sports medicine suite and the new rowing ergonomics room. As for the indoor Center, football will probably use it a handful of times in the fall and probably get some use out of it during spring practice when the weather interferes. A sport like soccer will likely use it more for winter and spring practice than in season. The lacrosse team's + baseball and softball will I am sure use it intermittently as they prepare for their seasons in January and February.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 7, 2017 18:17:16 GMT -5
Everyone here cares so much about "demolition notes" - don't you know that 94.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 7, 2017 18:20:43 GMT -5
Multi-purpose--yes. Think of the fantastic whiffle ball tournament you could have at the Luth in the dead of Winter!!! Or the indoor practices for Lax, baseball, softball and track and field. There are a few folks who see the Luth as money spent only on football and constantly act as if that were true, saying all the cost was for football. Such statements are not accurate. Thank you for acknowledging this building is multi-purpose. Now perhaps we can stop hearing phony figures attributing the entire cost to football. Whiffle ball? Really? Your ridiculous example shows a lack of insight on your part...or a poorly targeted sense of humor. Surprised at this response. Of course I’m well aware that many sports will be able to use the Luth. I think it’s an extraordinary new asset for the college and I’ve referenced it multiple times on this board. The whiffle ball comment was just an attempt, apparently a poor one, to show that its uses are limitless
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 7, 2017 19:52:42 GMT -5
BC, looks like HC's old field house/ ^^^ Someone commented that the siding resembles what they use for highway noise barriers Delaware also has an indoor facility. HC's steel is the heaviest I've seen in any of these indoor practice facilities..
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 8, 2017 7:38:25 GMT -5
From the webcam, it appears as if they are installing a cross on the north facade.
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Post by alum on Dec 8, 2017 7:56:30 GMT -5
Multi-purpose--yes. Think of the fantastic whiffle ball tournament you could have at the Luth in the dead of Winter!!! Or the indoor practices for Lax, baseball, softball and track and field.There are a few folks who see the Luth as money spent only on football and constantly act as if that were true, saying all the cost was for football. Such statements are not accurate. Thank you for acknowledging this building is multi-purpose. Now perhaps we can stop hearing phony figures attributing the entire cost to football. Whiffle ball? Really? Your ridiculous example shows a lack of insight on your part...or a poorly targeted sense of humor. No, no, no. There is no indoor track. Maybe some field events people will be able to get some work in on the turf, but that would be it and, once they return for the second semester, I assume that the men's and women's lacrosse teams will be using the facility during the late afternoon hours. Can't throw a 35 pound weight when a long pole is working on clears.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 8, 2017 8:02:26 GMT -5
Or the indoor practices for Lax, baseball, softball and track and field.There are a few folks who see the Luth as money spent only on football and constantly act as if that were true, saying all the cost was for football. Such statements are not accurate. Thank you for acknowledging this building is multi-purpose. Now perhaps we can stop hearing phony figures attributing the entire cost to football. Whiffle ball? Really? Your ridiculous example shows a lack of insight on your part...or a poorly targeted sense of humor. No, no, no. There is no indoor track. Maybe some field events people will be able to get some work in on the turf, but that would be it and, once they return for the second semester, I assume that the men's and women's lacrosse teams will be using the facility during the late afternoon hours. Can't throw a 35 pound weight when a long pole is working on clears. I'm sure both lacrosse teams will use the new indoor facility at times, but since their schedules begin in February and will be playing outside in the cold, they will want to practice in those conditions for the majority of the time. The same goes for football in the fall. What is great about this facility is it provides an opportunity for teams to come inside on days when the weather is really miserable and they wouldn't get much accomplished outside. Out-of-season training opportunities for sports like soccer is also huge.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 8, 2017 9:12:05 GMT -5
Or the indoor practices for Lax, baseball, softball and track and field.There are a few folks who see the Luth as money spent only on football and constantly act as if that were true, saying all the cost was for football. Such statements are not accurate. Thank you for acknowledging this building is multi-purpose. Now perhaps we can stop hearing phony figures attributing the entire cost to football. Whiffle ball? Really? Your ridiculous example shows a lack of insight on your part...or a poorly targeted sense of humor. No, no, no. There is no indoor track. Maybe some field events people will be able to get some work in on the turf, but that would be it and, once they return for the second semester, I assume that the men's and women's lacrosse teams will be using the facility during the late afternoon hours. Can't throw a 35 pound weight when a long pole is working on clears. Yes, yes, yes. As a former track and field coach whose athletes used to have to run in a parking lot, I know that such a facility, even for runners, could be a major asset. They will not conduct meets there, but runners can certainly practice there. Are you familiar with the requirements for training runners? An indoor carpet is certainly preferable to ice and wind outdoors. High jump, pole vault and (as you mentioned) weight events could easily be practiced there. So, yes, it can be used by track and field athletes to train in winter and bad weather.
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Post by alum on Dec 8, 2017 9:31:40 GMT -5
No, no, no. There is no indoor track. Maybe some field events people will be able to get some work in on the turf, but that would be it and, once they return for the second semester, I assume that the men's and women's lacrosse teams will be using the facility during the late afternoon hours. Can't throw a 35 pound weight when a long pole is working on clears. Yes, yes, yes. As a former track and field coach whose athletes used to have to run in a parking lot, I know that such a facility, even for runners, could be a major asset. They will not conduct meets there, but runners can certainly practice there. Are you familiar with the requirements for training runners? An indoor carpet is certainly preferable to ice and wind outdoors. High jump, pole vault and (as you mentioned) weight events could easily be practiced there. So, yes, it can be used by track and field athletes to train in winter and bad weather. I ran cross country and track at Holy Cross. The College has had a substandard (but better than nothing) 10 lap indoor track in the Fieldhouse with sufficient space for jumpers, throwers, etc. for decades Once the field house renovation starts, that is gone. I doubt seriously that the new facility will be set up for any of the jumping events. The pole vault requires a box where the pole plants and pits. That takes up space. No jumping event will have runways and unless things have changed there will be no long jump or triple jump pit. There will be no place for sprinters to work on starts or for hurdlers. None of those events ought to be practiced on turf. I think that it is fair to say that most running will have to be done outdoors so hopefully there will be mild winters. You certainly cannot do interval work on an unmeasured turf field. I was on a highly successful high school track team with no indoor or outdoor track. We, too, trained in the parking lot. Comparing a D1 program to a substandard high school facility is nonsense. I am completely in favor of Luth but furious that there will be no indoor track. That is of much more concern to me than whether the Crusader moniker is dropped.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 8, 2017 9:42:25 GMT -5
I agree that the exclusion of an indoor track does sent a clear message about priorities. You may have missed it, but I never mentioned long or triple jump practice. Even our high school was able to purchase a planting box for use on a gym floor. I know about the event since on of my jumpers was #2 among all vaulters teams in New Jersey at the State Meet of Champions. The landing pits are the same - indoor or out. I remember the short banked wood track HC used to have between Kimble and Fitton. THAT was horrible in terns of leg strain and shin splints. The best that could be said about it was that "it was better than nothing"...but not much better. I wish that HC would provide the T+F athletes with real practice facolities and show this team more support. PS: The high school where I coached does have lighting for night games, so you are right. I should not compare HC to it. HC comes off worse in some areas by comparison.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 8, 2017 9:45:00 GMT -5
Or the indoor practices for Lax, baseball, softball and track and field.There are a few folks who see the Luth as money spent only on football and constantly act as if that were true, saying all the cost was for football. Such statements are not accurate. Thank you for acknowledging this building is multi-purpose. Now perhaps we can stop hearing phony figures attributing the entire cost to football. Whiffle ball? Really? Your ridiculous example shows a lack of insight on your part...or a poorly targeted sense of humor. No, no, no. There is no indoor track. Maybe some field events people will be able to get some work in on the turf, but that would be it and, once they return for the second semester, I assume that the men's and women's lacrosse teams will be using the facility during the late afternoon hours. Can't throw a 35 pound weight when a long pole is working on clears. When I spoke with someone in the know about a year ago about the need for an indoor track, the set of early options.had dwindled. One option was a multi-institution indoor track to be built where the new community ice rinks were built, so that option (at least location-wise) is off the table. The college had looked ar a bubble over the outdoor track, and rejected that. A third option was the closed indoor practice facility in Auburn. I can't remember if we discussed putting it on top of a new parking garage at the top of the hill. Installing a track as part of the new Student Recreation Center was another option.. The college no longer has the space at the top of the hill for a separate indoor track facility. It could probably build one on the land it owns on Southbridge St. A 200 meter indoor track would have a building footprint similar to the old field house in length (including the west bumpout) and the width would be about the (E-W) length of Kimball. They might be able to squeeze it in the Student Rec Center if it is pushed out toward Wheeler in the northeast corner. The school does plan on taking the road on the north side of the old field house between Hogan and College for the Student Rec Center.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 8, 2017 10:42:55 GMT -5
I remember that series of posts. It is a shame that nothing seems to have been done to create better conditions for track and field. Perhaps at some time soon...
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 8, 2017 12:52:23 GMT -5
Old Howard Johnson location at bottom of the hill a possibility? But this is not just a location/parcel size issue, as always with HC, and most non-Ivy schools, a $$$$ issue.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 8, 2017 14:54:04 GMT -5
Old Howard Johnson location at bottom of the hill a possibility? But this is not just a location/parcel size issue, as always with HC, and most non-Ivy schools, a $$$$ issue. You may recall, when Fr. M., was President, that the college struck a preliminary deal with a developer from Quincy? (who had little actual experience in development on his own behalf, but he found sites for Walgreens to build new drugstores). IIRC, the proposal was for a mixed use development with college-oriented retail on the ground floor, and residential above (or maybe an inn, above). The development was to be on the college's Southbridge St. property (the old Howard Johnson's) fronting on College St. and up to Caro. It was a short-lived endeavor, very likely because the proposed developer had a thin wallet. If the college publicly published its strategic plan, that might give a clue as to what it intends to do with the property. Buy, alas. IMO, the college's present real property priorities are 1..) acquiring the four properties on City View that it does not now own; 2.) acquiring several properties on upper College St, roughly opposite the old field house; 3.) acquiring several properties on Caro to square off lot lines. It could be that the college has no current sense of what to do with the Southbridge St. land, other than to continue owning it. .
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 8, 2017 15:15:06 GMT -5
pak phreak--how big is the HoJo's parcel?
My best memory of HoJo's was sneaking into it to get ice to cool down the beer we brought into baseball games
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 8, 2017 16:30:57 GMT -5
pak phreak--how big is the HoJo's parcel? My best memory of HoJo's was sneaking into it to get ice to cool down the beer we brought into baseball games Two parcels on Southbridge, plus 24 College, plus 12-20 Caro, which are all contiguous vacant properties with a total area of about 165,000 sq ft. of which nearly 115,000 sq ft is on Southbridge. HC owns several other properties on the north side of Caro which are contiguous with the Southbridge property. HC owns 22, 26, 32, and 36 Caro, but not 28 Caro. With 28 Caro, HC would own nearly all the north side of Caro between College and Boyden. As for 28 Caro, there is a fairly recent court case which, in part, discusses the financial circumstances of the owners of 28 Caro, but there is little point in providing a citation to the case for this forum..
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 8, 2017 17:34:38 GMT -5
Just shy of 4 acres—not huge
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 8, 2017 20:06:17 GMT -5
Perhaps I am the only one who has fond memories of Howard Johnson's, both the motels and restaurants. Remember my parents taking us to HoJo's for fried clams on Fridays since we could not eat meat those days and we weren't big fish lovers in the family.
Having the HoJo hotel at the bottom of College Street was so convenient when we were back on campus after graduation.
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