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Post by hchoops on Nov 13, 2018 22:53:33 GMT -5
Chris Potter hits a huge jumper to beat PC in the ECAC final to send HC into the NCAAs in ‘77 in Hartford to beat his HS rival Bob Miscevicius
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Post by HCFC45 on Nov 13, 2018 22:53:44 GMT -5
Unable to make the game in person tonight but watched it on Fox... A few observations...
1.) You are not getting any calls to go your way in these other places (Michigan and Providence). The last foul called on JF was terrible from my vantage point. Maybe somebody in attendance can refute. The "kick" call on Caleb was also terrible. He clearly, it appeared to me, knocked the ball away and it bounced off his foot. There were others too. Again, you are not getting these calls in your favor at PC or UM! 2.) Yes, AB has had 2 poor games, but who would you put in his place! He will learn from this and excel! 3.) It is a game of runs and PC had a good run from the beginning of the 2nd half. 4.) We do not have the SPEED and ATHLETICISM that PC and UM have, plain and simple! 5.) Don't forget, these are mostly Sophomores!!! 6.) Welcome to the BIG EAST NETWORK!!! Not going to get any mention of how well we played!!!
If we had converted on the layups we win!!!
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Post by matunuck on Nov 13, 2018 22:59:11 GMT -5
I’m not sure exactly what we got out of throwing our basketball program into the national abyss all these years. Would HC now be less thought of had we joined the BE? Doubt it. At least we were competitive tonight against a real program.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 13, 2018 23:15:08 GMT -5
Holy Cross suffered irreparably from not joining the Big East both academically and athletically....not sure what we can do now but to avoid that is putting your head in the sand. It is what it is.
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Post by hc87 on Nov 13, 2018 23:48:25 GMT -5
Holy Cross should go FBS independent in football and men's basketball while staying PL in everything else....not sure how this could be done, but it would make a helluva
lot more sense that what we are doing now.....
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Nov 14, 2018 0:09:31 GMT -5
Holy Cross should go FBS independent in football and men's basketball while staying PL in everything else....not sure how this could be done, but it would make a helluva lot more sense that what we are doing now..... 1) You have a better shot of hitting the lottery and getting zapped by lightning on the same day than this ever happening. 2) How's being a 1A independent working out for UMess?
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Post by hc87 on Nov 14, 2018 0:19:45 GMT -5
Bettah than playing either hoop or football in the "absolutely no one cares Patriot League".....again, it is what it is.
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Post by sader81 on Nov 14, 2018 6:57:29 GMT -5
Trekked down to the game. Same story! They make half their layups, they win. Frustrating to watch them compete against top 100 teams and not be able to close the deal. They are primarily a team full of talented sophomores who will get better, a lot better! JF missed most of the last two games with foul trouble and that won’t happen most games. I predicted 23 wins, and my thoughts were that after 3 games, they would be 1-2. No reason to be out on the ledge.
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Post by joe on Nov 14, 2018 6:59:33 GMT -5
A bunch of sophs almost knocked off Providence at the Dunk. I think there is reason for some optimism.
I can be talked into tolerating the PL in hoops if the league can be competitive but would still take A10 or BE in a heartbeat if that were ever on the table.
PL football is a failure. I follow 87’s logic on football being indy, but a more proper and realistic switch would be the CAA. PL football is not working. By the way, why can’t we be indy?
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 14, 2018 7:06:46 GMT -5
Carmody is a fine coach....as nht mentioned and people texted me at the game, we are up 4 at halftime and Fox Sports doesn't even make mention of us....we are a non-entity in the d1 hoop world today sadly, no matter what we do really I noticed that...and the idea that HC has "no length"...if the announcer said it once, he said it (in a variety of forms) about three dozen times (and that number is conservative). Can someone please teach him a second vocabulary word?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Nov 14, 2018 7:09:56 GMT -5
Really too bad Ziggy is not 100 percent; he could have subbed in a lot more.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 14, 2018 7:25:41 GMT -5
A couple or three minor points and then I will keep my counsel.
I am a little tired of this "we are playing sophomores" mantra. As I recall, PC was playing at least 2 freshmen at guard. And our sophomores are well experienced more than most sophs.
As for "length," I wasn't able to tune in to the beginning of the game, but have it taped and will watch later, but thought RGS's probable starting line-up for PC didn't look especially tall, except the guards were taller. Of course, their subs seemed to be taller.
i don't know who you guys were listening to but the announcers that I heard on FS2 seemed most complimentary of Holy Cross' play and talked a lot about the low turnovers and crisp passing. Granted this was mostly in the first half until the wheels fell off later in the second half.
As I recall, we got up to a 9 point lead and I think the announcers attitude was that we might see a big upset. In fact, I was hoping that we could string consecutive good halves against a well-regarded opponent and was starting to get optimistic.
We we can all complain about the officiating but as we say in RI, "it is what it is" in these games. JF is a senior and should not be putting himself where he fouls out of games. He seemed to have this problem when he was raw, much better last year, and maybe in the PL won't be an issue again but the last two games - ugh!
I like the way Connor is playing against the big boys. AB is still fighting for rebounds and running around his usual 125% but please make some shots as we know you are capable of making. He and others blowing layups is costing us possible wins. Carmody should have them practice making these in traffic and when they are plain open.
Caleb is doing well and a lot better than Pat, IMHO. I still don't like when they are in there together.
Finally, my hope is that the guys have learned from these last two games and will put it all together in Mohegan Sun and beyond for a great year. My expectation is to be at the first game and depending on other factors, the second as well. Hope to see some of you there!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Nov 14, 2018 7:33:16 GMT -5
Generally agree here, but thought Benzan played pretty well, except for the last two minutes, when he (along with everybody else) lost poise - seven assists, three steals and just the one TO at the end. I'll take a 10:1 ratio any night.
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Post by gks on Nov 14, 2018 7:51:20 GMT -5
If you're rational and watched the game you should have nothing to complain about. HC got beat by a better team. Played really hard but that only gets you so far. Talent and athleticism won out. PL unfortunately doesn't attract those kinds of players.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 14, 2018 8:06:02 GMT -5
"gks" is correct, the PL doesn't attract talent & athleticism. Time to leave the PL, upgrade the schedule and we will be able to recruit better talent. With better talent we would have won the Providence game. I sat with some PC fans who wanted to know why HC stays in the crappy PL? They mentioned the history with HC which always was very competitive and they miss coming to Worcester every other year.
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Post by gks on Nov 14, 2018 8:09:25 GMT -5
Last night was a great New England college basketball game. There are way too few of those any more....and there's lots of blame to go around as why.
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 14, 2018 8:18:46 GMT -5
Someone define for me what “athleticism” is. JF would seem to be as athletic as it comes. So would AB. Malcolm was pretty athletic too in my opinion.
Was Pete Maravich “athletic” or just a great basketball player? Guess I am having a difficult time understanding some posters’ thoughts.
Above post about Pat’s stats are outstanding. So, not athletic maybe but very solid basketball skills. Caleb looked very good to me too.
I would rather have someone with great basketball skills than athleticism, whatever that is. Obviously, one would want both. And, smart, savvy players help.
PC cranked it up and we lost our composure.
As for coaching, having met Cooley, he is probably the opposite of Carmody. Not saying one better than the other but Cooley is charismatic and I assume Carmody more cerebral.
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Post by nhteamer on Nov 14, 2018 8:39:11 GMT -5
Last night was a great New England college basketball game. There are way too few of those any more....and there's lots of blame to go around as why. Stop rewriting history. So many complain about '87 and me and others being tiresome and redundant. Yet, it is precisely because of posts (thousands of them like this one) with phrases like "it is what it it is, "times have changed," " our Admissions office is the problem." Those are tiresome, redundant, and misleading. Well, whether it is one's health ( gee, doctor I know I'm 330 pounds but why do my knees hurt?), or finances (sure I have a bit of a gambling problem but why don't I have more money?), or relationships (my wife is so mean and unforgiving; it was only two girlfriends) , one must be clear about what happened in creating a bad situation before one can make a plan to get out of it. Please stop repeating phantom excuses for Holy Cross becoming invisible in athletics. JOHN E. BROOKS, SJ TURNED DOWN THE BIG EAST--- TWICE. That's it; period hard stop I know he was good at other stuff. We're not talking about "other stuff." We are talking about Holy Cross athletics. So, yes I want to move forward. We created our own invisibility. To reverse it we need to play (and learn to beat) visible teams. They are not PL teams, so our out of conference schedule needs to be full of visible (of course they will be good) teams.
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Post by gks on Nov 14, 2018 8:53:16 GMT -5
Last night was a great New England college basketball game. There are way too few of those any more....and there's lots of blame to go around as why. Stop rewriting history. So many complain about '87 and me and others being tiresome and redundant. Yet, it is precisely because of posts (thousands of them like this one) with phrases like "it is what it it is, "times have changed," " our Admissions office is the problem." Those are tiresome, redundant, and misleading. Well, whether it is one's health ( gee, doctor I know I'm 330 pounds but why do my knees hurt?), or finances (sure I have a bit of a gambling problem but why don't I have more money?), or relationships (my wife is so mean and unforgiving; it was only two girlfriends) , one must be clear about what happened in creating a bad situation before one can make a plan to get out of it. Please stop repeating phantom excuses for Holy Cross becoming invisible in athletics. JOHN E. BROOKS, SJ TURNED DOWN THE BIG EAST--- TWICE. That's it; period hard stop I know he was good at other stuff. We're not talking about "other stuff." We are talking about Holy Cross athletics. So, yes I want to move forward. We created our own invisibility. To reverse it we need to play (and learn to beat) visible teams. They are not PL teams, so our out of conference schedule needs to be full of visible (of course they will be good) teams. The decline of New England College Basketball rivalries does not fall only on the shoulders of HC. Everyone....UMass, BC, PC, UConn and others are to blame and probably carry more than Holy Cross does. I don't know I was just watching the game thinking why isn't this a yearly thing?
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Post by gerry on Nov 14, 2018 8:54:03 GMT -5
The "announcers" that everyone is referring should be very well known to New England sports fans: Red Sox play by play man Dave O'Brien, and former PC coach, and longtime Big East and Celtics analyst Tim Welsh.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 14, 2018 9:09:34 GMT -5
First half highlights
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Nov 14, 2018 9:18:37 GMT -5
Holy Cross has a lot of pretty good players on this team. Carmody has done a creditable job of recruiting considering all of the obstacles he faces, i.e., PL, academics, etc. To beat teams like Providence four or five guys need to be playing extremely well (better than average), all at the same time. Not easy. I still like Butler.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 14, 2018 9:25:01 GMT -5
The announcers at the game never said anything about the HC lead before the start of the 2nd half. This was a PC broadcast You had one Sox broadcaster (O'Brien) doing the HC/PC game and one doing the UMass/Harvard (Tim Neverett) game at the same time. Can you believe it?
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Post by timholycross on Nov 14, 2018 9:30:55 GMT -5
Chris Potter hits a huge jumper to beat PC in the ECAC final to send HC into the NCAAs in ‘77 in Hartford to beat his HS rival Bob Miscevicius I thought of those games last night. The Potter teams beat PC 4 times at 4 different places (The Aud/Springfield CC/Boston Garden/Hartford CC) ...three of them buzzer beaters; never prevailed at Providence itself. Didn't win a game there until Ernie Floyd hit a jumper pretty well out of his range at the buzzer Perry's senior year.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Nov 14, 2018 9:35:10 GMT -5
A couple or three minor points and then I will keep my counsel. I am a little tired of this "we are playing sophomores" mantra. As I recall, PC was playing at least 2 freshmen at guard. And our sophomores are well experienced more than most sophs. ... Amen! Especially considering that ZERO of Carmody's first five recruits (2 from the current Senior class, 3 from the current Junior class) are contributing to this team. You don't get to have horrific recruiting results like that and then use youth as an excuse.
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