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Post by efg72 on Feb 11, 2019 21:42:48 GMT -5
The front courts of Bucknell and Lehigh are so far superior to Holy Cross’ — it’s scary to imagine what next year will bring without Floyd. If people would take this as positive and not negative I believe next year will be addition by subtraction and the potential of the 2 guards has a chance of finally giving us a complete set of six legitimate players in the backcourt so we can compete with the top three teams. Up front, rebounding won’t be any different unless there is a commitment to a different approach
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Post by possum on Feb 11, 2019 21:48:08 GMT -5
EFG the seniors play hard and do what the coach tells them, we don't have the coach or players to succeed. Sometimes I think you see the sophomore class as the 2nd coming of the fab 5 some of them are pretty good not special.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 11, 2019 21:48:54 GMT -5
The front courts of Bucknell and Lehigh are so far superior to Holy Cross’ — it’s scary to imagine what next year will bring without Floyd. If people would take this as positive and not negative I believe next year will be addition by subtraction This is an OUTRAGEOUS take. Losing Jehyve Floyd, our only reliable player who can play and defend the 4 & 5 positions could not possibly be further from “addition by subtraction.”
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 11, 2019 21:50:11 GMT -5
The front courts of Bucknell and Lehigh are so far superior to Holy Cross’ — it’s scary to imagine what next year will bring without Floyd. If people would take this as positive and not negative I believe next year will be addition by subtraction and the potential of the 2 guards has a chance of finally giving us a complete set of six legitimate players in the backcourt so we can compete with the top three teams. Up front, rebounding won’t be any different unless there is a commitment to a different approach Wrong. End.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 11, 2019 21:53:05 GMT -5
Seniors try hard and would make my all heart and desire team and think Floyd can play in Europe if he wants. Sophomores have potential and by time they are seniors have a chance to be decent. Second coming is more than a stretch, but within this SYSTEM and perhaps only within this system, have surpassed the others. Again don’t overread what is being stated
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Post by efg72 on Feb 11, 2019 21:55:44 GMT -5
If people would take this as positive and not negative I believe next year will be addition by subtraction This is an OUTRAGEOUS take. Losing Jehyve Floyd, our only reliable player who can play and defend the 4 & 5 positions could not possibly be further from “addition by subtraction.” As a talent he will be a tremendous loss, but defensively, perhaps due to foul trouble and coaching, hides for minutes on both ends. The other upperclassmen contribute but can be replaced. Talent does not mean or guarantee team results
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Post by efg72 on Feb 11, 2019 21:59:55 GMT -5
Again please take this as a conversation about a team performance and not about individuals. So as each class progresses I believe, and you can disagree, the team as a whole will be better next year with the additions. When this happens we will find that we are rebuilding a basketball program
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 11, 2019 23:49:13 GMT -5
Anyone who has watched this team attempt to compete without Floyd on the floor this year knows that we are in big trouble next year.
I understand the "playing timid because of fear of foul trouble" argument but that is a result of our awful depth and is just as applicable to the other starters. This is why we have been so bad on defense. Barring a miracle, depth will likely be just as big of a problem next season.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 12, 2019 7:09:03 GMT -5
The sophomores are developing into mid-to-lower level PL starters. If things break just right (no injuries and player development continues) and we land a couple of similarly talented frosh next year, I look for us to finish mid-to-lower Patriot League the next two years.
That is the optimistic view. Realistically, losing an excellent and athletic PL big man (Floyd) with no replacement on the horizon, I don't see us doing as well the next two years (given same coach and same schedule) .
Of course, I am the same one who predicted 16 wins for HC this year and we have 13 right now.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 12, 2019 7:45:10 GMT -5
EFG . . . Maybe you should consider creating a separate thread to have the "conversation," re: your theory about next season's team. That will keep this thread on track to discuss results and doings "elsewhere in the PL."
You could make your initial post about the benefits of the "six-guard" formula you recommend, citing the other PL teams that have six quality guards on their rosters, as well as all the Carmody teams (including his Princeton teams) that have utilized this approach.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 13, 2019 11:12:34 GMT -5
full slate of Wednesday men's games including BU at AWP in an 11 am start - obviously one of the school kids games
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 13, 2019 12:43:51 GMT -5
Army won today's matinee 71-61
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 14, 2019 10:49:40 GMT -5
A quick scan of the PL recap shows the following stats for Freshmen & Sophomores around the PL: Army: Soph Alex King (Soph) - 10 pts Army: Lonnie Grayson (Soph) 10 pts BU: Jevante McCoy (Soph) - 19 pts Loyola: Casmir Ochiaka (Frosh) - 17 pts, 11 rebs Loyola: Kenny Jones (Frosh) - 14 pts Loyola: Isiah Hart (Soph) - 10 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assts American: Sam Iorio (Soph) - 18 pts, 8 rebs American: Stacy Beckton (Soph) - 15 pts Lafayette: Justin Jaworski (Soph) - 19 pts Lafayette: EJ Stevens (Soph) - 11 pts Lafayette: Alex Petrie (Soph) - 10 pts Navy: Cam Davis (Soph) - 18 pts, 6 rebs, 5 assts Navy: John Carter (Frosh) - 14 pts, 8 rebs Colgate: Tucker Richardson (Frosh) - 20 pts Bucknell: John Meeks (Soph) - 10 pts Bucknell: Jimmy Sotos (Soph) - 12 pts, 5 assts Lehigh - James Karnik (Soph) - 21 pts, 9 rebs
The idea that HC's supposedly "excellent" Sophomore class stands out from the talent in the Freshmen & Sophomore classes around the league is just fiction.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 14, 2019 11:22:15 GMT -5
A quick scan of the PL recap shows the following stats for Freshmen & Sophomores around the PL: Army: Soph Alex King (Soph) - 10 pts Army: Lonnie Grayson (Soph) 10 pts BU: Jevante McCoy (Soph) - 19 pts Loyola: Casmir Ochiaka (Frosh) - 17 pts, 11 rebs Loyola: Kenny Jones (Frosh) - 14 pts Loyola: Isiah Hart (Soph) - 10 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assts American: Sam Iorio (Soph) - 18 pts, 8 rebs American: Stacy Beckton (Soph) - 15 pts Lafayette: Justin Jaworski (Soph) - 19 pts Lafayette: EJ Stevens (Soph) - 11 pts Lafayette: Alex Petrie (Soph) - 10 pts Navy: Cam Davis (Soph) - 18 pts, 6 rebs, 5 assts Navy: John Carter (Frosh) - 14 pts, 8 rebs Colgate: Tucker Richardson (Frosh) - 20 pts Bucknell: John Meeks (Soph) - 10 pts Lehigh - James Karnik (Soph) - 21 pts, 9 rebs The idea that HC's supposedly "excellent" Sophomore class stands out from the talent in the Freshmen & Sophomore classes around the league is just fiction. You might want to add Buchnell sophomore Jimmy Sotos to the above. He had 12 points and five assists versus Lehigh, despite playing with a torn labrum and a bulky shoulder brace. In PL games, Sotos leads the league in assists also leads all starting point guards in assist to turnover ratio. John Meeks has played very limited minutes this year due to the after affects of a broken foot. He is only allowed to play part of each practice and can't do any separate running. If he gets fully healthy, He may be a breakout candidate for next year, as he is averaging 20 points per 40 minutes and hitting a high percentage of his attempts.
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Post by notjuanjones on Feb 14, 2019 12:30:02 GMT -5
A quick scan of the PL recap shows the following stats for Freshmen & Sophomores around the PL: Army: Soph Alex King (Soph) - 10 pts Army: Lonnie Grayson (Soph) 10 pts BU: Jevante McCoy (Soph) - 19 pts Loyola: Casmir Ochiaka (Frosh) - 17 pts, 11 rebs Loyola: Kenny Jones (Frosh) - 14 pts Loyola: Isiah Hart (Soph) - 10 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assts American: Sam Iorio (Soph) - 18 pts, 8 rebs American: Stacy Beckton (Soph) - 15 pts Lafayette: Justin Jaworski (Soph) - 19 pts Lafayette: EJ Stevens (Soph) - 11 pts Lafayette: Alex Petrie (Soph) - 10 pts Navy: Cam Davis (Soph) - 18 pts, 6 rebs, 5 assts Navy: John Carter (Frosh) - 14 pts, 8 rebs Colgate: Tucker Richardson (Frosh) - 20 pts Bucknell: John Meeks (Soph) - 10 pts Bucknell: Jimmy Sotos (Soph) - 12 pts, 5 assts Lehigh - James Karnik (Soph) - 21 pts, 9 rebs The idea that HC's supposedly "excellent" Sophomore class stands out from the talent in the Freshmen & Sophomore classes around the league is just fiction. Also re: AU: Mark Gasperini is an academic junior, but will have two potential years of eligibility remaining after this season (medical redshirt last season). Our two freshmen, Jacob Boonyasith and Josh Alexander, aren't starting, but they're in the rotation and contributing; Jacob has won back to back PL Rookie of the Week awards, and Josh got one earlier this season. In addition, guard Jamir Harris (University of Minnesota transfer) will be eligible next season, with three years of eligibility remaining.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 14, 2019 12:35:01 GMT -5
Still trying to figure out who thinks HC's sophomore class stands out from the rest of the league. Is there any reason why one can't be impressed with the other young players around the league while liking our own group? A lot of people figured the league would be stronger this year, based on the young talent we saw across the league last year.
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Post by possum on Feb 14, 2019 12:36:18 GMT -5
NJJ still think Kostecka doesn't belong on 1st all league team.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 14, 2019 12:40:48 GMT -5
/\ The HC sophomores may be the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th players on the .500 team...a few posters convinced themselves that means they are actually good by PL standards. (The same folks thought that if a frosh starts on a D1 team, that means he is good...or will one day be an excellent PL player). In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
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Post by notjuanjones on Feb 14, 2019 12:42:22 GMT -5
Still trying to figure out who thinks HC's sophomore class stands out from the rest of the league. Is there any reason why one can't be impressed with the other young players around the league while liking our own group? A lot of people figured the league would be stronger this year, based on the young talent we saw across the league last year. FWIW, I do think your sophs are a good group and will likely get better if they stay together, esp Grandison and Butler. But, as you mentioned, the PL is full of freshmen/soph groupings that are pretty good already and likely to continue improving down the road. As far as Kostecka....he was very good last night. He also got some very questionable whistles from a very poor officiating crew. My criteria is simple: if Sa'eed wasn't first-team all PL last year because he was on a bad team, the same rule should apply going forward to anyone else on a bad team.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 14, 2019 12:44:34 GMT -5
The issues with our team don't fall on the sophomores. Carmody's demise will be as a result of his first recruiting class, which, at this point, just consists of CLS playing a few minutes a game producing nothing.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 14, 2019 12:45:22 GMT -5
A quick scan of the PL recap shows the following stats for Freshmen & Sophomores around the PL: Army: Soph Alex King (Soph) - 10 pts Army: Lonnie Grayson (Soph) 10 pts BU: Jevante McCoy (Soph) - 19 pts Loyola: Casmir Ochiaka (Frosh) - 17 pts, 11 rebs Loyola: Kenny Jones (Frosh) - 14 pts Loyola: Isiah Hart (Soph) - 10 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assts American: Sam Iorio (Soph) - 18 pts, 8 rebs American: Stacy Beckton (Soph) - 15 pts Lafayette: Justin Jaworski (Soph) - 19 pts Lafayette: EJ Stevens (Soph) - 11 pts Lafayette: Alex Petrie (Soph) - 10 pts Navy: Cam Davis (Soph) - 18 pts, 6 rebs, 5 assts Navy: John Carter (Frosh) - 14 pts, 8 rebs Colgate: Tucker Richardson (Frosh) - 20 pts Bucknell: John Meeks (Soph) - 10 pts Bucknell: Jimmy Sotos (Soph) - 12 pts, 5 assts Lehigh - James Karnik (Soph) - 21 pts, 9 rebs The idea that HC's supposedly "excellent" Sophomore class stands out from the talent in the Freshmen & Sophomore classes around the league is just fiction. Also re: AU: Mark Gasperini is an academic junior, but will have two potential years of eligibility remaining after this season (medical redshirt last season). Our two freshmen, Jacob Boonyasith and Josh Alexander, aren't starting, but they're in the rotation and contributing; Jacob has won back to back PL Rookie of the Week awards, and Josh got one earlier this season. In addition, guard Jamir Harris (University of Minnesota transfer) will be eligible next season, with three years of eligibility remaining. Thanks, njj. My list was not meant to be comprehensive, but rather just a snipet to show how misguided it is for HC fans to think Carmody should be retained because he landed some type of transformative class that is going to propel HC back to the top of the conference. The reality is that while there are some nice pieces in this HC Sophomore class, there's maybe two that actually have the potential to be 1st or 2nd team all-PL players (Grandison & Green), and that is not going to be enough to overcome all of the shortcomings associated with Carmody's system.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 14, 2019 12:45:36 GMT -5
Still trying to figure out who thinks HC's sophomore class stands out from the rest of the league. Is there any reason why one can't be impressed with the other young players around the league while liking our own group? A lot of people figured the league would be stronger this year, based on the young talent we saw across the league last year. As far as Kostecka....he was very good last night. He also got some very questionable whistles from a very poor officiating crew. My criteria is simple: if Sa'eed wasn't first-team all PL last year because he was on a bad team, the same rule should apply going forward to anyone else on a bad team. But, Kostecka is much, much better this year than Nelson was last year in the PL. Also, all of a sudden, Loyola is a middle-of-the-pack team this year, which is far better than 3-15 AU last year.
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Post by possum on Feb 14, 2019 13:04:10 GMT -5
Don't know how the league scoring and steal leader who is also 3rd in blocks and shoots 54 percent from the field is not on the first team.
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Post by notjuanjones on Feb 14, 2019 13:05:10 GMT -5
As far as Kostecka....he was very good last night. He also got some very questionable whistles from a very poor officiating crew. My criteria is simple: if Sa'eed wasn't first-team all PL last year because he was on a bad team, the same rule should apply going forward to anyone else on a bad team. But, Kostecka is much, much better this year than Nelson was last year in the PL. Also, all of a sudden, Loyola is a middle-of-the-pack team this year, which is far better than 3-15 AU last year. Much, much better? Sa'eed was second in the PL in scoring last year, second in assists and third in steals, on a team where six players, including our starting center, missed significant time with concussions-and the center didn't play all season. This year, Kostecka is first in the PL in scoring and first in steals, but not in the top 15 in assists or the top 20 in rebounding. And: Loyola was tied for last place going into play last night. That they won one game to make them "middle of the pack" is less about what they or Kostecka did than the bunched-up PL standings. If AU had won one or two more games last year we would have been eighth rather than 10th. Would that make Sa'eed's season "better?" Also: Kostecka scored 13 points in a losing effort in the first round of the PL tournament last year. Sa'eed scored 41. I'm not arguing Kostecka shouldn't be considered. But the bottom line is Sa'eed got passed over by Andre Walker last year because Loyola had a better record than AU last year. It could not have been because of the numbers, because Sa'eed's were significantly better across the board than Walker's were. And if that's the criteria, I'm fine with that. But the criteria can't change a year later.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 14, 2019 13:17:59 GMT -5
1) Don't believe performance in the PLT is factored into post-season awards.
2) I believe conference only statistics are typically only looked at when determining post-season awards.
3) If that's the case, Walker averaged 17.7 PPG, compared to Nelson's 17.4 PPG. While he led the PL in assists, he also led the league in turnovers with 58. His 25% 3PT shooting and 65% FT shooting didn't help his case, either.
4) I don't want the be all end all to be Pomeroy's ORtg, but Nelson had a 99.5 rating last year. Kostecka is 115.1 this year.
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