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Post by deep Purple on Apr 14, 2020 20:45:53 GMT -5
Some very impressive editing on that highlight tape — surprised he’s not headed straight to the NBA! And this tweet is simply absurd: If Grandison can get a scholarship to Illinois, my guess is Niego, the much tougher player, has a better future on the right roster. in the near term Nelson will regret his departure I highly doubt that.
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Post by trimster on Apr 14, 2020 20:45:55 GMT -5
Current scholarship players by class: Frosh (6): Johnson, Humphrey, Montgomery, Martindale, Coulibaly, Rabinovich Soph (3): Wade, Pridgen, Reilly Jr: (1) Townsel Sr (2): Butler, Faw If we replace Niego, best case would be a big guy with one or two years left who is immediately eligible. If we can’t find one of those, I’d hold it for next year and have 3 to work with. I agree with your thinking. I just can’t see using his scholarship on another frosh. Seven frosh on the roster just seems like too many players in one class. Having said that with all that has happened in the last ten months, nothing would surprise me.
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Post by DiMarz on Apr 14, 2020 20:49:27 GMT -5
He was a "nice" player..I think he tried his best to fit into what Coach Nelson wanted, a physical go to the hoop type of player, and a hard nose defender...He just couldn't get it done that way...He frequently got knocked off his feet rebounding, couldn't power the ball to the hoop, and didn't have quick enough feet to defend well...He was a perfect fit for Coach Carmody's style.....I wish him well...
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Post by hchoops on Apr 14, 2020 20:50:25 GMT -5
Agree Hoops as I don’t see either as more than a solid PL player, but obviously Grandison moved up and Niego could as well on the right roster. Contributing at the next level for either player remains a big unknown Personally I think Niego is the bigger loss, especially with two years left With very similar shooting % for 2s and 3s, I will take 11.5 over 6.2 Grandison also had two years left when he departed.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 14, 2020 20:51:13 GMT -5
The Saluki board has now taken note of Niego, and apparently Bryan Mullins has started following him on Twitter.
You can't make this stuff up.
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Post by deep Purple on Apr 14, 2020 21:08:14 GMT -5
The Saluki board has now taken note of Niego, and apparently Bryan Mullins has started following him on Twitter. You can't make this stuff up. We get LC and they get CN?
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Post by Ray on Apr 14, 2020 21:29:32 GMT -5
My knee jerk reaction is to be bothered by this. I share the concerns about players getting run off and the cultures being established. But, these times are so crazy, both at Hc and everywhere else, that I think it’s hard to draw conclusions. You can see whatever you want to see in this situation. Objectively I have no idea what to think.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 14, 2020 21:43:43 GMT -5
Why have we not seen Kyle Copeland enter the portal? Is he planning to finish his education at HC but not play basketball?
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Post by trimster on Apr 14, 2020 21:48:47 GMT -5
Why have we not seen Kyle Copeland enter the portal? Is he planning to finish his education at HC but not play basketball? That would be my guess. To complete 3/4 of degree requirements and not finish up would be a shame.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 14, 2020 21:49:47 GMT -5
Some very impressive editing on that highlight tape — surprised he’s not headed straight to the NBA! And this tweet is simply absurd: "Why can't we get players like that?" - Bob Lobel. CBS Boston/WBZ TV retired sports anchor
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 14, 2020 21:50:08 GMT -5
That is always out there and, now that an opening has appeared, it could be a possibility.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 14, 2020 21:57:24 GMT -5
Is it a given that he would get a 6th year after sitting for 2020-21 ? I think he'd need a waiver from the ncaa to play two years at his next school. (the ncaa one time waiver on sitting out a year is not supposed to be effective until spring-summer 2021)
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 15, 2020 7:10:43 GMT -5
Is it possible he could be graduating in 3 years, a la Pat Andree?
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Post by CHC8485 on Apr 15, 2020 7:13:31 GMT -5
Beat me to it Dave. Between AP credits and possibly some summer courses over the last couple of years it is a possibility.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 15, 2020 7:59:36 GMT -5
My knee jerk reaction is to be bothered by this. I share the concerns about players getting run off and the cultures being established. But, these times are so crazy, both at Hc and everywhere else, that I think it’s hard to draw conclusions. You can see whatever you want to see in this situation. Objectively I have no idea what to think. My thoughts exactly, Ray. I understand there is change when a new coach is brought on, and sometimes other forces come into play (injuries), but I would love the upheaval in the basketball program to stop. Weekly, it seems, there is some major change in the men's or women's teams. But I think people should be careful to default to the worst conclusions (e.g. BN is running unwanted players out of town). Niego is a loss, but not a major one. He's an experienced contributing player, something this team could use but he was often ineffective against the PL's other bigs. It would be nice to know why he left. I have no idea what to think either.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 15, 2020 8:06:59 GMT -5
Is it possible he could be graduating in 3 years, a la Pat Andree? His tweet highlights he is red shirt soph that does not support the 3 year strategy.
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Post by classof83 on Apr 15, 2020 8:20:57 GMT -5
If these kids are not being run off, what amazes me the most is the discounting of the HC education in their calculus of whether to stay or not. Maybe it is generational thing, but the value of a short-lived basketball career seems to outweigh the lifetime value of the education they receive. Of course, maybe they never had a high enough regard for the HC education which may be more concerning.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 15, 2020 8:24:22 GMT -5
I don’t know all the rules. I do know that Niego believes he will be able to play for two more years at a new school. I suspect his belief is well-founded based on the rules and how they will be applied to his situation.
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Post by trimster on Apr 15, 2020 8:26:43 GMT -5
Wow Coulibaly commit is so important now Wonder if we are looking for another big this year ? Would not be surprised(by anything) If CBN wants to use this scholarship now, I would look for a sit one, play two guy as they are now referred to in the transfer market. A sit one, play three guy places 7 players in the Class of 2024. Of course, given the explosive growth of the transfer market in college hoops, maybe looking beyond the next season when it comes to roster management is pointless.
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Post by trimster on Apr 15, 2020 8:31:55 GMT -5
If these kids are not being run off, what amazes me the most is the discounting of the HC education in their calculus of whether to stay or not. Maybe it is generational thing, but the value of a short-lived basketball career seems to outweigh the lifetime value of the education they receive. Of course, maybe they never had a high enough regard for the HC education which may be more concerning. I couldn’t agree more and was thinking the same thing last night. I don’t know Copeland’s situation as it relates to basketball but I hope he is able to get his degree from Holy Cross.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 15, 2020 8:32:21 GMT -5
Wow Coulibaly commit is so important now Wonder if we are looking for another big this year ? Would not be surprised(by anything) If CBN wants to use this scholarship now, I would look for a sit one, play two guy as they are now referred to in the transfer market. A sit one, play three guy places 7 players in the Class of 2024. Of course, given the explosive growth of the transfer market in college hoops, maybe looking beyond the next season when it comes to roster management is pointless. If we recruit a sit 1, play 2 guy now, we will have 10 scholarships tied up in two consecutive classes. Also, you’d have a guy who can first play in 2021-22 and have two years left. If you recruit a rising HS senior, you have a guy who can first play in 2021-22 and has 4 years left. An exception could be made for a STUD transfer but otherwise I think we hold it for next year or try to find a guy with one or two years left who has immediate eligibility for some reason.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 15, 2020 8:37:46 GMT -5
Aside from Lowder (whose interest does not appear to be what he had hoped and who seems to be using Jon Rothstein's Twitter to increase demand), have any of the other guys who left received any D1 interest?
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Post by trimster on Apr 15, 2020 8:38:40 GMT -5
My knee jerk reaction is to be bothered by this. I share the concerns about players getting run off and the cultures being established. But, these times are so crazy, both at Hc and everywhere else, that I think it’s hard to draw conclusions. You can see whatever you want to see in this situation. Objectively I have no idea what to think. My thoughts exactly, Ray. I understand there is change when a new coach is brought on, and sometimes other forces come into play (injuries), but I would love the upheaval in the basketball program to stop. Weekly, it seems, there is some major change in the men's or women's teams. But I think people should be careful to default to the worst conclusions (e.g. BN is running unwanted players out of town). Niego is a loss, but not a major one. He's an experienced contributing player, something this team could use but he was often ineffective against the PL's other bigs. It would be nice to know why he left. I have no idea what to think either. Niego isn’t a post player but pretty much by default, he was asked to be one. I applaud his willingness to work hard at becoming one and thought he did OK with it. He may do well as a small forward in another program.
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Post by Tom on Apr 15, 2020 8:39:39 GMT -5
If CBN wants to use this scholarship now, I would look for a sit one, play two guy as they are now referred to in the transfer market. A sit one, play three guy places 7 players in the Class of 2024. Of course, given the explosive growth of the transfer market in college hoops, maybe looking beyond the next season when it comes to roster management is pointless. If we recruit a sit 1, play 2 guy now, we will have 10 scholarships tied up in two consecutive classes. Also, you’d have a guy who can first play in 2021-22 and have two years left. If you recruit a rising HS senior, you have a guy who can first play in 2021-22 and has 4 years left. An exception could be made for a STUD transfer but otherwise I think we hold it for next year or try to find a guy with one or two years left who has immediate eligibility for some reason. Last year started with 15 players. 12 scholarship and 3 walk ons. For a team that graduated one senior, six is an awfully low number of returning players
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Post by timholycross on Apr 15, 2020 8:49:47 GMT -5
Hoops Didn’t say more talented-but imo not even close as a competitor, I would take Niego every day over Grandison, who I thought was talented but soft, and because of that found ways to hide for big minutes which were costly. Don’t think Grandison, with the attitude he had with HC, was more than a PL player. So if people like Grandison’s game, Niego could find a similar opportunity in the MAC or elsewhere. Not saying either contributes at that level, but not saying they won’t. The thing I call bs on in his description is his defending ability. You'd be able to sell me both the Bourne and Sagamore bridges each with a 50 year warranty, to convince me the team is going to be losing a lights-out defender.
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