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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 16, 2020 12:57:13 GMT -5
But a degree now would not necessarily waive the one year sit for transfers. I don't understand. Isn't that what Tyler Scanlon and Pat Andree did?
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Post by HC13 on Apr 16, 2020 12:59:48 GMT -5
I think it doesn't get him the extra year
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Post by timholycross on Apr 16, 2020 13:51:26 GMT -5
To play in his sixth year would need an NCAA waiver which is uncommon Unless he gets a waiver to play this 20-21 season if it happens The ramifications of the season just finished prematurely, the upcoming season that might not happen; and the two or three seasons after that are many. I expect "free agency" of sorts in college sports for a while, at least.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 16, 2020 14:00:49 GMT -5
One aspect that has definitely changed in hoops Multiple high schools, prep schools, reclassifying, multiple AAU teams, a sense of entitlement What is scary is that schools like HC get the better students, and still the portal mentality endures There's a kid in Worcester who went to high school in the city, transferred after soph year to a prep school, played a PG year at another prep school. Committed to one college, reneged and went someplace else, and is now transferring to a third college. This is an extreme example, but lots of bouncing around now-a-days The worst thing is how good some of these kids think they are, or think they could be; and aren't and are never going to be.
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Post by HC13 on Apr 16, 2020 14:16:56 GMT -5
The other danger is you may see many schools reducing scholarships for budgetary reasons and there is no room in the inn. I think this is going to be a real issue on the women's side, perhaps less on the men's.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 16, 2020 14:19:12 GMT -5
The student in question has really been put under the magnifying glass here. How about two highly paid adults, BN and MB. What grade do they get when half the team votes with their feet?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 16, 2020 14:41:24 GMT -5
Grade = Incomplete. In another year - assuming we see the new team in the coming season - there will be plenty of time for a grade. The players who "voted with their feet" have yet to do anything elsewhere and some on this board had little good to say about them when they were Crusaders. What grade would you give yourself as a fan?
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 16, 2020 15:03:13 GMT -5
D-minus. I went to one game, the free class agent game, but petered out after the lunch because I had recently had surgery and was fatigued. I got to one women's game in person. I watched many of the other M&W games on the net or TV and listened to some on the radio app. I was supportive of the coach until Grace Rett '22 was killed in the rowing van accident which seemed to coincide with BN feuding with Lowder. The stark difference in watching the best of Holy Cross come out with the way Father B. and others responded to the crew team tragedy and the BN feud with a player, changed my support to more conditional, so I am not the best fan in that regard. But we have much creativity in recruiting international players and transfers as well as a couple from a mile away at W.A., so I am looking forward to see how it all plays out.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 16, 2020 15:12:00 GMT -5
You may be a bit hard on yourself as a fan. I too am looking to see how all of this plays out. Be well...and stay safe.
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Post by Tom on Apr 16, 2020 15:44:27 GMT -5
The student in question has really been put under the magnifying glass here. How about two highly paid adults, BN and MB. What grade do they get when half the team votes with their feet? At 3-29 I'm not giving out great grades, but so early on I'm also not reading a ton into this. I don't have nearly enough information to grade based on half the team voting with their feet. That can go both ways. I put zero blame on the Coach Dale when Whit Butcher voted with his feet, but that time I had the whole story
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Post by trimster on Apr 16, 2020 15:57:19 GMT -5
The student in question has really been put under the magnifying glass here. How about two highly paid adults, BN and MB. What grade do they get when half the team votes with their feet? We don’t know the stories behind all of the transfers and probably never will so why waste time speculating and trying to assign blame for the departures. It’s time to move on and look to the future. I do feel sad for kids who started on the path of earning an HC degree and saw the journey end for whatever reason.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 16, 2020 15:57:43 GMT -5
The student in question has really been put under the magnifying glass here. How about two highly paid adults, BN and MB. What grade do they get when half the team votes with their feet? At 3-29 I'm not giving out great grades, but so early on I'm also not reading a ton into this. I don't have nearly enough information to grade based on half the team voting with their feet. That can go both ways. I put zero blame on the Coach Dale when Whit Butcher voted with his feet, but that time I had the whole story Who ? please explain
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Post by dadominate on Apr 16, 2020 16:04:48 GMT -5
The student in question has really been put under the magnifying glass here. How about two highly paid adults, BN and MB. What grade do they get when half the team votes with their feet? At 3-29 I'm not giving out great grades, but so early on I'm also not reading a ton into this. I don't have nearly enough information to grade based on half the team voting with their feet. That can go both ways. I put zero blame on the Coach Dale when Whit Butcher voted with his feet, but that time I had the whole storylove it! here's to judson chitwood walking through that door
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 16, 2020 16:06:53 GMT -5
At 3-29 I'm not giving out great grades, but so early on I'm also not reading a ton into this. I don't have nearly enough information to grade based on half the team voting with their feet. That can go both ways. I put zero blame on the Coach Dale when Whit Butcher voted with his feet, but that time I had the whole story Who ? please explain The movie Hoosiers-- Coach Dale (played by Gene Hackman) is the new coach who approaches the game in a way different from what the townspeople and some players (whit, e.g.) are used to)
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 16, 2020 16:09:10 GMT -5
Thanks. I have trouble shifting from reality to fiction so suddenly. Of course, in recent. months, the line between them has clearly been fuzzy (at least).
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 16, 2020 16:28:47 GMT -5
You can access some great free scenes from Hoosiers on YouTube. Gene Hackman is just an amazing actor
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Post by efg72 on Apr 16, 2020 16:46:13 GMT -5
The movie Hoosiers-- Coach Dale (played by Gene Hackman) is the new coach who approaches the game in a way different from what the townspeople and some players (whit, e.g.) are used to) But he was a proven coach and took a team with mediocre talent to levels of success it only prayed to achieve. this past year Nelson had a team, with very limited talent compared to what he might be used to, and took the team to levels we never beliieved in our worst nightmare would happen i am willing to give him time, but given the choice between Nelson and Dale, well Never mind I will let you all decide
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Post by Tom on Apr 16, 2020 18:58:44 GMT -5
Wicked obscure reference from the movie Hoosiers. Kid quit the team on the first day of practice because he didn't like the coach's style.
At the time, it left 4 players and the manager. Obviously it turned out Gene Hackman did the right thing. Yes, there is cause to wonder when half the team quits on the coach. It is still possible that the coach did the right thing to adhere to principles even if it is to the short term detriment of the team.
Maybe the coach could have done things better.Maybe not. There are some assumptions out there that Coach Nelson was out of line with no publicly known facts to support that assumption
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Post by efg72 on Apr 16, 2020 19:27:40 GMT -5
Wicked obscure reference from the movie Hoosiers. Kid quit the team on the first day of practice because he didn't like the coach's style. At the time, it left 4 players and the manager. Obviously it turned out Gene Hackman did the right thing. Yes, there is cause to wonder when half the team quits on the coach. It is still possible that the coach did the right thing to adhere to principles even if it is to the short term detriment of the team. Maybe the coach could have done things better.Maybe not. There are some assumptions out there that Coach Nelson was out of line with no publicly known facts to support that assumption It is all opinion which is what makes this Board special most all on the board, played or coached at some point in life so my question is simple what is the coaches job? to develop the members of a team and prepare them to have the greatest chance of success when they compete and NOT lose games this year players, other than Faw, may or may not have developed- Faw did they played a style they were ill equipped to play so had little chance to win. imho they were able to compete because of the character of the individual players this was a season for a new young coach saying he belonged - not sure 3-29 says he belongs but willing to give him 3 -4 years unless we see a repeat performance for the sake of the players, students, alums and the few of us who truly care I hope he is a smashing success but count me among the loyal fans who remain uncertain
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Post by hchoops on Apr 16, 2020 19:45:28 GMT -5
Wicked obscure reference from the movie Hoosiers. Kid quit the team on the first day of practice because he didn't like the coach's style. At the time, it left 4 players and the manager. Obviously it turned out Gene Hackman did the right thing. Yes, there is cause to wonder when half the team quits on the coach. It is still possible that the coach did the right thing to adhere to principles even if it is to the short term detriment of the team. Maybe the coach could have done things better.Maybe not. There are some assumptions out there that Coach Nelson was out of line with no publicly known facts to support that assumption It is all opinion which is what makes this Board special most all on the board, played or coached at some point in life so my question is simple what is the coaches job? to develop the members of a team and prepare them to have the greatest chance of success when they compete and NOT lose games this year players, other than Faw, may or may not have developed- Faw did they played a style they were ill equipped to play so had little chance to win. imho they were able to compete because of the character of the individual players this was a season for a new young coach saying he belonged - not sure 3-29 says he belongs but willing to give him 3 -4 years unless we see a repeat performance for the sake of the players, students, alums and the few of us who truly care I hope he is a smashing success but count me among the loyal fans who remain uncertain I realize that Nelson had little time to develop Joe P., but if Nelson takes some blame for others not developing, he deserves some credit for Joe’s season.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 16, 2020 20:24:52 GMT -5
Perhaps Joe is just a very talented offensive player that was able to exploit match-ups and when not favorable to him he still made plays. If credit goes to Nelson great I agree
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 16, 2020 21:31:06 GMT -5
Wicked obscure reference from the movie Hoosiers. Kid quit the team on the first day of practice because he didn't like the coach's style. At the time, it left 4 players and the manager. Obviously it turned out Gene Hackman did the right thing. Yes, there is cause to wonder when half the team quits on the coach. It is still possible that the coach did the right thing to adhere to principles even if it is to the short term detriment of the team. Maybe the coach could have done things better.Maybe not. There are some assumptions out there that Coach Nelson was out of line with no publicly known facts to support that assumption It is all opinion which is what makes this Board special most all on the board, played or coached at some point in life so my question is simple what is the coaches job? to develop the members of a team and prepare them to have the greatest chance of success when they compete and NOT lose games this year players, other than Faw, may or may not have developed- Faw did they played a style they were ill equipped to play so had little chance to win. imho they were able to compete because of the character of the individual players this was a season for a new young coach saying he belonged - not sure 3-29 says he belongs but willing to give him 3 -4 years unless we see a repeat performance for the sake of the players, students, alums and the few of us who truly care I hope he is a smashing success but count me among the loyal fans who remain uncertain Are you really blaming the results from last year on Nelson’s “style” of play? The year before Nelson arrived, the team played the “style they were equipped to play” and finished in last place in the PL. That last place team lost their three best players and Senior Pat Benzan. it’s is an enormous stretch (and lack of understanding of D1 college basketball) to think last year’s results would have been different if Nelson simply switched from a M2M to a zone defense.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 16, 2020 21:46:01 GMT -5
BBC Thanks for the good laughto close out an otherwise complicated day
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Post by trimster on Apr 17, 2020 6:14:19 GMT -5
Nelson jumped in midstream in his first year. I don’t think we can tell a lot from what obviously was a dreadful season. It was his first go around as the man in charge and his tenure began four months before the first jump ball. I’d say he and his staff have done well in year one on the recruiting front after getting a bit of a late staff. There may have been some carryover with recruits from the prior staff especially with Kennedy being a holdover. One way to look at it is next season will truly be his first full year as head coach and even that is a stretch with everything being turned upside down due to the virus. The high turnover rate of the roster is troubling but not totally unexpected given a change in coaches and the high transfer rate in general of D1 men’s hoop players. I think our new coach will do well here, in my humble opinion.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 17, 2020 8:08:59 GMT -5
Nelson will have "his guys" out there, albeit inexperienced; a lot faster than previous coaches have had. That's a two-edged sword.
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