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Post by efg72 on Apr 22, 2020 14:54:14 GMT -5
If I were Nelson I would figure out if there is another big out there to fill the roster or with injuries he won't have enough players to practice. Might even revisit the Rogers situation, although not wild about that idea
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Post by crusader12 on Apr 22, 2020 14:54:26 GMT -5
MAY DAY MAY DAY MAY DAY!!!
This program still has not bottomed out. WHAT IS GOING ON HERE???
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Post by hc89 on Apr 22, 2020 14:55:37 GMT -5
Until one or more of them have “breakout” years and they are off to the University of Illinois! We have an “AAU” culture in college basketball and the NCAA is fine with it because it’s what the big programs want.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 22, 2020 15:05:01 GMT -5
the 'Portal' is ruining low-mid major basketball - kids are sucked in to thinking transferring must be a good idea since so many are doing it - I wish there was a site where the 'success rate' of transfers was available. More kids have to be dissatisfied at their new school than one is led to believe. And if the NCAA issues this waiver on sitting out for a year, the crisis will only get worse in the near term - Please don't do it !
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Post by hc17 on Apr 22, 2020 15:07:24 GMT -5
Surely what has transpired over the course of the last few months warrants a response...A few of my classmates have already reached out and find themselves utterly disgusted by this news. While I remain optimistic, this is troubling and something that cannot continue
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 22, 2020 15:09:35 GMT -5
It's perfectly within reason to wonder whether or not Blossom got this hire right.
3-29 and then just about the entire roster says sayonara.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 22, 2020 15:13:10 GMT -5
We should ask the AD about this in tomorrow’s webinar
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 22, 2020 15:13:11 GMT -5
If this is true, and I fear it is, then I feel physically ill. I wonder if we will hear that some college reached out to grab Pridgen away? [Yes, I know that is not allowed and would, at best, be unethical and underhanded.] I wonder how Butler and Faw feel right now?
Coach Nelson and his staff already had a tough row to hoe in the coming year. This change would clearly not make that any easier. I need to be able to hear sports competition right now - real sports, not stories related to sports with no actual competition.
One thing I know for sure, If Pridgen does transfer, IMHO it will have little to do with the Patriot League. Some seem to want to blame the PL for everything and may soon include some blame for Covid-19. Nonsense. Some don't like this league...fine, in your many posts we are aware of how you feel. But, if your logic were consistent, that would mean the PL is also responsible for MM's pro career and for LM getting drafted by the WNBA Aces. Can we please try to stay grounded in reality?
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Post by hc89 on Apr 22, 2020 15:15:59 GMT -5
Another (perhaps small) issue is the lack of exciting atmosphere at the Hart Center. I know we have some stalwart fans that do a great job supporting our teams, but kids want to play in front of students who will actually stand up and scream when a big play is made. They want NOISE. We typically have one “football team” game a year where we have such an atmosphere. Absent that, there is just no juice from HC students.
I know winning helps, but we need to find ways to get the students off their phones and their a#$&* when they are at the games.
Small thing I know, but I think it really matters to these kids. They ALL have it in high school. They EXPECT to have it in college and I think they end up very disappointed when they see what the Hart atmosphere is typically like.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 22, 2020 15:16:11 GMT -5
It's perfectly within reason to wonder whether or not Blossom got this hire right. 3-29 and then just about the entire roster says sayonara. Would you expect the entire roster + coaches to just get together and sing kumbaya after a 3-29 season? ------- The notion that Nelson has done something to torpedo this program is bull. He inherited a program whose previous coach had completely checked out, won 38.9% of his Patriot League games, and had two separate serious criminal problems occur with his players (in just four years). The program was in ABYSMAL shape when Nelson arrived nine months ago. This program was not in need of some minor renovations. It needed a demolition and rebuild from the foundation all the way up. It would be very unfortunate if Pridgen is collateral damage for the rebuild that was entirely necessary.
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 22, 2020 15:16:11 GMT -5
We should ask the AD about this in tomorrow’s webinar Tomorrow's webinar could be well "attended" - unless some folks simply give up, throw in the towel and shut down contact with HC for a while. I wish we could hear more from Coach Nelson himself...but he may be far too busy right now with other matters to send out any communications.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 22, 2020 15:17:32 GMT -5
Staring right down the barrel at another 3 win season.
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Post by thecrossisback on Apr 22, 2020 15:18:39 GMT -5
Jon Rothstein @jonrothstein Here are the combined averages of the mid-major players who used the grad transfer rule to play high-major basketball last year:
18-19 at mid-major level:
14.4 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.1 APG, 31 MPG, 11 FGA.
19-20 at high-major level:
6.1 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 0.9 APG, 20 MPG, 5.2 FGA.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 22, 2020 15:21:21 GMT -5
the 'Portal' is ruining low-mid major basketball - kids are sucked in to thinking transferring must be a good idea since so many are doing it - I wish there was a site where the 'success rate' of transfers was available. More kids have to be dissatisfied at their new school than one is led to believe. And if the NCAA issues this waiver on sitting out for a year, the crisis will only get worse in the near term - Please don't do it ! This...
And I'm going to blame LeBron James too (because I can), and The Decision, what, 10 years ago? That's the culture kids like Joe Pridgen and Drew Lowder grew up in. I'm only half kidding (maybe not kidding at all). It's pretty sad. I'm like possum in that a big plus for me following hoop here is being used to having everyone stick around for the duration.
As for Joe P, I was worried about this - I'm sure he's had daily whispers in his ears for a while now. I personally feel low D-1 is the best fit for him and his game, but proving people wrong has pretty much been his M.O. all along.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 22, 2020 15:28:16 GMT -5
Poor Charlie Bare is really sweating having to write the 2020-21 season preview. The "Returners" vs. "Newcomers" sections ought to be pretty good.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Apr 22, 2020 15:37:09 GMT -5
I'm sure this is a topic that has been discussed to death on Crossports, but at some point you have to ask whether it's quixotic for HC to be a D1 school. What's the combined winning percentage for all HC teams over the last 25 years? Less than 40%? I wish players like Jacob G. well but you wonder what he's looking for. Apparently the chance to play, with an specified role, in a better league for two years. He's not an NBA player. And apparently the benefits of an HC education are no different than an Illinois education or a Fairfield education, etc. If the new model is that mid-majors take talented but flawed players, coach them up, showcase them, and then see them leave then having D1 sports isn't worth it. For the Dukes and Kentuckys it's one and done; for the mid-majors it's two and done. No thanks.
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Post by Ray on Apr 22, 2020 15:41:35 GMT -5
I mean.... the trend is undeniable, and I don't mean to minimize it.
BUT....
This is not like the other ones. He probably has interest from a higher level of program. And a freshman who puts up big numbers on a 3-29 team is going to be a target for programs that are shopping.
For sure, someone did a crappy job of selling all of these kids on the value proposition of an HC degree. And no matter whether you like the coach or not, going 3-29 can't have been any fun at all. Throw in getting kicked off campus by the pandemic, removing the chance for Joe to be a regular student for a few months and enjoy campus life, and.... you can see how this would happen.
All that said.... it sucks and it stinks and it sucks.
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Post by DiMarz on Apr 22, 2020 15:48:34 GMT -5
If a player is in the "Portal", can the school he is currently enrolled in "re-recruit" him? Just curious.....
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 22, 2020 15:51:36 GMT -5
If a player is in the "Portal", can the school he is currently enrolled in "re-recruit" him? Just curious..... The time to recruit Joe P was immediately following the season for Nelson, but he was running around to JuCo programs instead.
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Post by Ray on Apr 22, 2020 15:53:13 GMT -5
If a player is in the "Portal", can the school he is currently enrolled in "re-recruit" him? Just curious..... The time to recruit Joe P was immediately following the season for Nelson, but he was running around to JuCo programs instead. That seems unfair. One way to re-recruit Joe P. was probably to show him that he was adding some help around him. He accomplished that. It apparently just didn't change the decision.
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Post by Tom on Apr 22, 2020 15:54:14 GMT -5
If a player is in the "Portal", can the school he is currently enrolled in "re-recruit" him? Just curious..... The time to recruit Joe P was immediately following the season for Nelson, but he was running around to JuCo programs instead. Somewhere, someone posted a screen shot of a team Zoom meeting and Pridgen was there.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 22, 2020 15:55:15 GMT -5
We should ask the AD about this in tomorrow’s webinar I made the mistake of registering early with a football schedule question. I suspect he will avoid men’s basketball like the plague.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 22, 2020 15:56:58 GMT -5
If true, not a surprise. I know most people will not agree, the problem is the Patriot League. Time to upgrade the schedule and we will keep the athletes. If our level of undergraduate departures is the standard across the PL, I'd say you are on to something. If we are the outlier, we may be the problem.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Apr 22, 2020 15:57:51 GMT -5
I now worry some about upcoming recruiting. Not sure how you explain JP's leaving to a recruit that asks the question, unless you just give in to the trend and say "hey Jimmy, I'll feature you in the offense so you, too, can move on up when you're ready". I mean, is this what it's coming to?
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Post by Ray on Apr 22, 2020 15:58:23 GMT -5
We should ask the AD about this in tomorrow’s webinar I made the mistake of registering early with a football schedule question. I suspect he will avoid men’s basketball like the plague. The AD can't avoid men's basketball. He'll talk about all the new blood, etc.
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