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Post by timholycross on Apr 22, 2020 17:46:18 GMT -5
I'd rather drop men's basketball; it would make more of a statement.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 22, 2020 17:54:22 GMT -5
We should ask the AD about this in tomorrow’s webinar I made the mistake of registering early with a football schedule question. I suspect he will avoid men’s basketball like the plague. I registered when I got the email invite and submitted this question: "Why have so many players left the MBB team?"
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 22, 2020 17:56:11 GMT -5
I made the mistake of registering early with a football schedule question. I suspect he will avoid men’s basketball like the plague. I registered when I got the email invite and submitted this question: "Why have so many players left the MBB team?" I asked the same.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Apr 22, 2020 17:58:15 GMT -5
Please let’s stop with the Division-3 nonsense. Holy Cross is never, repeat NEVER, going to move to division-3
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Post by hceconhist on Apr 22, 2020 18:13:59 GMT -5
At this point, I'd be surprised if Wade hung around. In that event, the Carmody recruits graduating from Holy Cross will consist of Le Sann, and two rising seniors who have no viable basketball futures elsewhere. Truly remarkable.
And in the spirit of cleaning house, I think it's time for Kennedy to go.
Sadly remarkable.
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Post by hceconhist on Apr 22, 2020 18:15:50 GMT -5
Please let’s stop with the Division-3 nonsense. Holy Cross is never, repeat NEVER, going to move to division-3 I would not bet on that. It may not be for decades, but by the time my generation of classes is in our late 40s, 50s, and 60s, there will not be nearly as strong an opposition to such as move as there is now.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 22, 2020 18:17:51 GMT -5
At this point, I'd be surprised if Wade hung around. In that event, the Carmody recruits graduating from Holy Cross will consist of Le Sann, and two rising seniors who have no viable basketball futures elsewhere. Truly remarkable.
And in the spirit of cleaning house, I think it's time for Kennedy to go.
I wonder where Wade's .307 FG avg. and .291 3PFG avg. would land him? And getting to know his father a bit from his tweets, I don't think Coach Wade would advise his son to leave. I may be projecting my values onto Coach Wade, but with his other son having a protracted college BB journey, I got the sense he recognizes the opportunity Ryan has at Holy Cross.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 22, 2020 18:18:37 GMT -5
If this is the final act, Nelson might be known as the Coach in charge the day the music died I am sure plenty of blame, including the ridiculous portal that invites kids to run away, but anecdotal data suggests he might carry this purple letter for life perhaps instead of wishing those that leave great success, and happiness, we should remind them this is a character flaw and they might continue to quit relationships forever because they didn’t get their way.
pridgen was a wonderful player for us, and a big loss! However if he picks the wrong program and style of play, and forced to match up as a 2/3 against better athletes maybe he does very little moving forward.
I believe there is a chance to recover, but not yet
if I am wrong I will stand up and say so to Nelson, and honestly I hope that i have that opportunity, but not sure that will be the result
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Post by Chu Chu on Apr 22, 2020 18:33:34 GMT -5
I just saw this thread, and the news is truly heartbreaking. I am sorry for Holy Cross and also Joe Pridgen, who from what I can tell, epitomizes the kind of fine young talent we want on our teams. The brutal fact here is that the transfer portal has been hurting a lot of teams. The fact that we just finished a brutal, bad season of play has got to hurt as well. Having said all of that, I have been encouraged by the great recruits heading our way, and I firmly believe we will be a much better ball club where or not Joe Pridgen stays at Holy Cross.
I am registered for tomorrow, and will watch with interest, and concern.
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Post by kot1972 on Apr 22, 2020 18:35:43 GMT -5
At this point, I'd be surprised if Wade hung around. In that event, the Carmody recruits graduating from Holy Cross will consist of Le Sann, and two rising seniors who have no viable basketball futures elsewhere. Truly remarkable.
And in the spirit of cleaning house, I think it's time for Kennedy to go.
Hello All, It has been over a year since I posted but I saw no reason to post and complain about the season and knock the players. My feeling, still, is that eventually we will get the ship back on course. But the last 10 years have been painful and in my opinion it has taken far too long to correct. It's too bad that no one ( like my classmates Jenkins , Wells or Grayson or other successful business men like Doran or Lockbaum) have been engaged enough to hold the BOT more accountable. Almost like athletics are not important anymore. Where is there a Edgar Bennett Williams when you need one? Here are my basketball observations: I like the profile of the athletes Coach BN has recruited and they fall more in line with size and quickness I think are needed for Division 1 BB. I hope some of the recruits are as good as advertised. With 7 or more new players next year, I am sure playing time will be an issue next year and some of the new players will transfer out. I think the players that left this years, left to get playing time, play college basketball and get away from a program in tatters and from a coach they didn't connect with. In Pridgen's case, I think he was probably recruited elsewhere with the belief that the NCAA will allow transfers this year w/o any penalty of sitting out next year. Why hang out around a terrible program that probably will continue to lose when he can upgrade. The possible Holy Cross degree is a non factor. Finally, I don't see Wade staying either. His cousin left, the team stinks and with the size of the new wing players, his minutes are in jeopardy. I think he will be the next spring announcement. As far as the coach goes,something doesn't smell right to me. He was a great player, played and coached big time basketball and must have big ambitions to move along the coaching path quickly. When he was hired, I thought how is an ambitious coach, raised in West Virginia, going to relate to the culture of a small school in New England. Maybe he has or maybe not but something is wrong in Worcester when everyone is transferring. Good players, bad players, non scholarship players are all leaving. You would think that someone in that group would appreciate a Holy Cross degree ( they certainly are not all great players) but almost all the young players have left. AD Blossom, in my opinion, has some serious questions to answer about the state of his BB team. Coach Nelson can recruit which is great. We are not sure how well he can coach yet because he had a non competitive team last season ( not his fault but from my eye little progress was made). It should be an interesting summer. I hope tomorrow's webinar provides some insights. Loyal HC Alum, KOT 1972
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 22, 2020 18:42:59 GMT -5
Please let’s stop with the Division-3 nonsense. Holy Cross is never, repeat NEVER, going to move to division-3 Sacred Heart, Quinnipiac, Bryant, Central Connecticut, Hartford, UMass Lowell, Merrimack all moved from D-2. None of the chose D-3, they all chose D-1. The several colleges in New England that have closed in the last few years were all D-3 from what I can remember. D-3 is no panacea. If HC stepped down two divisions, it might end up asking itself the same question Admiral James Stockdale posed during the 1992 Vice Presidential Debate: "Who am I, why am I here?"
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 22, 2020 18:43:57 GMT -5
At this point, I'd be surprised if Wade hung around. In that event, the Carmody recruits graduating from Holy Cross will consist of Le Sann, and two rising seniors who have no viable basketball futures elsewhere. Truly remarkable.
And in the spirit of cleaning house, I think it's time for Kennedy to go.
LeSann was persuaded not to transfer two years ago. Probably because his options were limited for another full scholarship NCAA D1 program. The last class that Milan recruited, Pat, Jehyve and Marcellis, stayed for the full four years, and contributed to the school not just on the court but to the HC community. Matt Zignorski was in the same position as Clayton regarding having limited transfer options to a D1 program and receiving a scholarship. The retention rate for the team over the last five years can be described as atrocious and must be raising serious red flags on Mahogany Row. I am very disappointed in the recruiting of students under FCBC. The only shining moment was the 10 days in March 2016. Truly a lightning in a bottle experience that gave us all hope that the program was going in the right direction. We can only hope that the seven students entering next year will stay for four years and graduate from HC. Time will tell.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Apr 22, 2020 18:47:19 GMT -5
I'm near certain tomorrow's dog & pony show will provide squat as to what folks here w really want to know.
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Post by cmo on Apr 22, 2020 19:00:38 GMT -5
It won’t affect or mean anything, but I’m rooting for all these transfers to fail miserably at their new schools.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 22, 2020 19:00:53 GMT -5
At this point, I'd be surprised if Wade hung around. In that event, the Carmody recruits graduating from Holy Cross will consist of Le Sann, and two rising seniors who have no viable basketball futures elsewhere. Truly remarkable.
And in the spirit of cleaning house, I think it's time for Kennedy to go.
Pine and Joe Scott are hiring Princeton/Carmody West out at Air Force. Will be interesting to see if Kennedy makes the cut....
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Post by Tom on Apr 22, 2020 19:01:04 GMT -5
At this point, I'd be surprised if Wade hung around. In that event, the Carmody recruits graduating from Holy Cross will consist of Le Sann, and two rising seniors who have no viable basketball futures elsewhere. Truly remarkable.
And in the spirit of cleaning house, I think it's time for Kennedy to go.
Not to nitpick, but Ziggy was a Carmody recruit and graduated.
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Post by timholycross on Apr 22, 2020 19:01:51 GMT -5
Maybe this isn't so surprising.
Pridgen played for 2 high schools (Winchendon Academy and Governor's Academy).
Now, he's going to play for at least two colleges.
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Post by trimster on Apr 22, 2020 19:04:29 GMT -5
I'm near certain tomorrow's dog & pony show will provide squat as to what folks here w really want to know. I agree with your thinking but I would be surprised if a coach or AD offered a public opinion on why Jimmy or Joan decided to leave a program.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Apr 22, 2020 19:06:45 GMT -5
This team may not win a single game next year. Not even Joel Osteen can save this team. I thought the worst was over but we have some serious dark days ahead. I feel for BN but we may need to make a change just to save the program. Aside from Pridgen (who would obviously be a very big loss), the crew coming into the program has a much, much higher potential ceiling than anyone who left. By the sounds of it, Louth & Rabinovich will immediately be the best rebounders on the team by a wide margin. Bo & Bubba should provide much more dynamic options for guarding the wings. Martindale appears to be able to score at all three levels, and if he can average ~10 PPG, that’s only a couple hoops short of where Pridgen got us. RJ gives a point guard that we didn’t have for half the year, and an unselfish point guard to try and run the team that we didn’t have for the full year. —- The Pridgen news certainly hurts, but it is not the death of this program.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 22, 2020 19:07:32 GMT -5
At this point, I'd be surprised if Wade hung around. In that event, the Carmody recruits graduating from Holy Cross will consist of Le Sann, and two rising seniors who have no viable basketball futures elsewhere. Truly remarkable.
And in the spirit of cleaning house, I think it's time for Kennedy to go.
Not to nitpick, but Ziggy was a Carmody recruit and graduated. True enough, forgot. Will Powers was also brought in as a walk-on by Carmody and will graduate.
Fourteen others didn't.
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Post by Tom on Apr 22, 2020 19:10:09 GMT -5
At this point, I'd be surprised if Wade hung around. In that event, the Carmody recruits graduating from Holy Cross will consist of Le Sann, and two rising seniors who have no viable basketball futures elsewhere. Truly remarkable.
And in the spirit of cleaning house, I think it's time for Kennedy to go.
LeSann was persuaded not to transfer two years ago. Probably because his options were limited for another full scholarship NCAA D1 program. The last class that Milan recruited, Pat, Jehyve and Marcellis, stayed for the full four years, and contributed to the school not just on the court but to the HC community. Matt Zignorski was in the same position as Clayton regarding having limited transfer options to a D1 program and receiving a scholarship. The retention rate for the team over the last five years can be described as atrocious and must be raising serious red flags on Mahogany Row. I am very disappointed in the recruiting of students under FCBC. The only shining moment was the 10 days in March 2016. Truly a lightning in a bottle experience that gave us all hope that the program was going in the right direction. We can only hope that the seven students entering next year will stay for four years and graduate fro HC. Time will tell. Is it possible that LeSann (and Zignorski) didn't transfer because they enjoyed the full HC experience even if they didn't turn to basketball superstars? Maybe getting a great education for free, a great college experience, and getting to say he played D-I college ball was rewarding enough for them to be happy
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Post by WorcesterGray on Apr 22, 2020 19:15:55 GMT -5
That should be enough for every student-athlete at Holy Cross.
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Post by efg72 on Apr 22, 2020 19:17:30 GMT -5
At this point, I'd be surprised if Wade hung around. In that event, the Carmody recruits graduating from Holy Cross will consist of Le Sann, and two rising seniors who have no viable basketball futures elsewhere. Truly remarkable.
And in the spirit of cleaning house, I think it's time for Kennedy to go.
LeSann was persuaded not to transfer two years ago. Probably because his options were limited for another full scholarship NCAA D1 program. The last class that Milan recruited, Pat, Jehyve and Marcellis, stayed for the full four years, and contributed to the school not just on the court but to the HC community. Matt Zignorski was in the same position as Clayton regarding having limited transfer options to a D1 program and receiving a scholarship. The retention rate for the team over the last five years can be described as atrocious and must be raising serious red flags on Mahogany Row. I am very disappointed in the recruiting of students under FCBC. The only shining moment was the 10 days in March 2016. Truly a lightning in a bottle experience that gave us all hope that the program was going in the right direction. We can only hope that the seven students entering next year will stay for four years and graduate fro HC. Time will tell. It this nightmare of the past 5 months I can see Wade leaving and If both Faw and Butler have enough credits at the end of the summer see both of them depart as well. Actually don’t think that will ever happen because everything they have offered the program has been nothing less than a complete commitment. our daily prayers around the virus, our families and those in need, might include an occasional request that our hoops program finds the right path forward.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 22, 2020 19:18:55 GMT -5
Zignorski loved Holy Cross
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Post by efg72 on Apr 22, 2020 19:20:14 GMT -5
It won’t affect or mean anything, but I’m rooting for all these transfers to fail miserably at their new schools. Nobody said we want them to fail, but I hope they mature enough to understand you can’t quit anytime you aren’t halving things go your way
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